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00:01 Welcome back to the Ultimate Prescription.
00:02 I'm your host Nick Evenson, here with Dr. James Marcum. 00:04 And if you just joined us today, 00:05 we're talking about nutrition, 00:07 specifically as it relate to chronic diseases 00:09 such as diabetes. 00:10 And, Dr. Marcum, we've been talking 00:12 and we teased that we're gonna talk about our case study. 00:14 But before we do that, 00:15 I want to talk a little bit about fats, 00:18 because you mentioned 00:20 part of the problem with type 2 diabetes is insulin 00:21 being blocked from getting into the insulin receptors. 00:24 What are good fats and bad fats? 00:26 And what do we need to know about it? 00:27 Yeah, well, we know that it's the nutrient composition 00:32 that makes a big difference in our body. 00:34 Our body was designed to handle the certain nutrients 00:37 in certain compositions, okay? 00:40 God created us pretty much to eat fruits, vegetables, 00:42 nuts, and grains. 00:44 When we get more than maybe 10%-15% of unhealthy fats 00:49 in our bodies, the fat is stored. 00:51 Okay, unhealthy fats are what? Yeah. 00:53 Well, things that are processed, 00:55 animal based fats, 00:56 you know, things that are from animals, 00:59 that's the main source of fat, that's not bad, 01:01 fats that are created, 01:03 any type of fat that's heated up, 01:04 you've heard of saturated fats, those aren't the good fats, 01:07 okay? 01:09 We get above a certain line in the body 01:11 and the body stores them, stores them in the arteries, 01:14 makes the arteries not work as well. 01:16 Causes other metabolic changes in our body 01:19 that we're just now beginning to understand, 01:21 you know, we're still learning a lot about nutrition, 01:24 and physiology, 01:25 and the metabolism of the cells of the body. 01:27 So this is not by far finished yet. 01:30 We don't know everything. Right. 01:32 But we're learning when we cross that line, 01:34 bad things start to happen. 01:36 Similarly, when we bring in a lot of animal based proteins, 01:39 similar things happen. 01:41 The metabolism gets messed up in many different ways, 01:44 whether it be from the liver 01:45 or going in different types of metabolism, 01:47 storage metabolism, things don't work well. 01:50 When the metabolism changes, 01:52 the body has these chronic processes that go on, 01:55 that eventually damages. 01:56 So we talked before about stresses on a system, 01:59 the wrong type of nutrition, 02:01 the wrong type of nutrient composition 02:03 puts stress on the body. 02:05 We were never designed 02:07 to bring in large amounts of animal protein, 02:09 animal fat, processed foods. 02:12 Now if a person is starving and has nothing else to eat, 02:16 yes, it's better to do that than starve. 02:18 But for treating chronic diseases like diabetes, 02:21 I teach people this. 02:23 Now we have wonderful technology in the world 02:25 that blows my mind away, how much technology. 02:28 We can make all these pills 02:30 that will bring down the blood sugar 02:32 through many different mechanisms. 02:33 We have different shots we give, 02:35 we have different procedures that we have with insulin pumps 02:38 which are very beneficial for some people. 02:41 But at the same time, 02:42 what blows my mind sometimes is we don't get it the cause. 02:46 We treat the symptoms with all this technology, 02:49 but we don't treat the cause with all this technology. 02:52 Well, how do you use technology to do this? 02:55 Well, what we need to do 02:57 is eventually come up with healthier foods 02:59 and encourage that, 03:00 and bring it on to people, so use the technology, 03:03 so people will make better choices, 03:05 and we're doing that. 03:06 But it's something that's a work in progress. 03:09 It's gonna take some time. 03:11 It takes time to effect major changes. 03:14 And sometimes in a life, 03:16 when you want to change your health habits, 03:18 sometimes it takes time. 03:20 It doesn't happen overnight. 03:22 But the most important thing 03:23 I want to focus on in our ministry 03:25 is the most important time, while it's taking time, 03:28 it's letting God's time be there in your life. 03:31 Yeah. 03:32 Now how about a couple of foods that we think of as good... 03:34 Oh, yeah. 03:36 Avocados, cashew nuts, and those kinds of things. 03:38 Are those of concern for type 2 diabetes? 03:40 Well, as long as we don't eat lots of them, 03:42 as long as we don't cross the line 03:44 and bring too much percentage of them in. 03:46 Now if you want to reverse that diabetes, 03:48 you want to move all the fats out that you can, okay? 03:52 But once you reverse type diabetes, 03:53 you'd probably have some healthy fats back in your diet. 03:56 And people that we try to reverse heart disease 03:59 that are having symptoms, we do some more things. 04:02 We get rid of all the fat, all the animal protein, 04:04 all that stuff we can, 04:06 because we want to not only hold the metabolism good, 04:08 but we want to actually change what's going on in the body. 04:11 And sometimes we can do it very effectively 04:14 pinning the genes. 04:15 Sometimes we have bad genes that we can't do much with, 04:18 because they've been turned on 04:20 at a younger age than we'd like. 04:22 So some of those we do need modern medicine with. 04:24 So this is a very complex situation, disease reversal. 04:28 It not only includes the diet, 04:30 it includes the oblique systems, 04:32 it include exercise and all the different stressors 04:35 that might be turning on our epigenetics, 04:37 which might be aging our, 04:39 either good or bad genes to begin with. 04:42 Isn't this all interesting? It's fascinating. 04:43 Yeah. I think so. 04:44 One thing I keep thinking about it, 04:46 you promised a case study... 04:47 Yeah. 04:49 For a patient who had an issue with type 2 diabetes? 04:50 Yeah, I had a patient comes in, 04:52 and this is a guy that's never ever been sick before, 04:55 Nick, pretty healthy guy. 04:57 Not on, no medicines. 04:59 This guy didn't go to the doctor, 05:00 exercised every day, 05:02 was actually ate whole food plant-based diet. 05:05 Also, you know, didn't eat a lot of that bad stuff. 05:08 Anyway, he got... 05:11 All of a sudden one day, he relates his story. 05:13 He started to have symptoms, okay? 05:16 And the symptoms he had, 05:17 he was going to the bathroom all the time. 05:19 You know, he couldn't even go three hours 05:21 without going to bathroom, 05:23 up four or five times at night going to the bathroom. 05:25 Extreme fatigue, tired all the time. 05:29 So, you know, this guy wasn't stupid. 05:31 So he figured something's wrong. 05:33 I need some help. I need to go see my doctor. 05:35 Now he didn't go regularly to see his doctor 05:37 like he should, 05:38 because he thought he was doing good. 05:40 You know, he's doing all these things right 05:41 that he was supposed to do, 05:42 but finally, he decided to go to the doctor, 05:44 because he says, "Something bad's wrong." 05:46 He thought he had some prostate issues, 05:48 you know, that's why he was going to the bathroom, 05:49 his prostate was messed up. 05:51 Maybe it's something serious. 05:53 And he was just feeling horrible. 05:55 Well, he went to the doctor and the doctor says, 05:57 "Well, going to the bathroom a lot, 06:00 thirsty a lot, fatigue, 06:02 you know, the big elephant in the room is diabetes." 06:05 You know, I think the chronic disease 06:07 that you have, it's most likely diabetes. 06:09 So he says, "I think you have diabetes." 06:11 So sure enough, this guy had diabetes. 06:13 We measure a diabetic measurement 06:17 called a hemoglobin A1c, okay? 06:20 When it's above 6, that's considered high. 06:22 Well, this guy had a level of 13. 06:25 Oh, wow. Hemoglobin A1c of 13. 06:28 And what that is, is you have hemoglobin, 06:30 and the percent of sugar that's bound to that. 06:33 So 13% was bound to that. 06:35 We want it to be less than six, okay? 06:38 At least. 06:39 His fasting blood sugar was in the 200 or 300s. 06:42 And that's why he was going to the bathroom so much. 06:45 That's why he had no energy, 06:46 because he could not get the sugar into his cells, 06:49 the carbohydrates in the cells which he needed for energy. 06:51 But as a result, his body was responding 06:54 by doing all sorts of bad things. 06:56 A condition called 06:58 the metabolic syndrome happened. 07:00 His metabolism changed. 07:01 He started storing things like uric acid in his body. 07:05 His cholesterol level was real high. 07:08 Lots of aches and joint pains, 07:10 just lot of symptoms that he was having. 07:13 Cholesterol level, really, really high. 07:15 So, you know, because of all this, 07:17 he just wasn't feeling well. 07:18 So he went to the doctor and the doctor says, 07:20 "Man, you're in pretty bad shape." 07:22 And he goes... 07:23 He was like surprised. Yeah, had no idea. 07:25 How could this happen to me? 07:26 But this guy wasn't totally dumb, okay? 07:28 I give him some credit. 07:30 He had the little bit of brain power. 07:31 And he says, "Listen, doc, I know I have diabetes. 07:34 And I thank you for diagnosing. 07:35 But I don't really want to take your medicine. 07:37 I don't want to take your," 07:39 and he wanted to put him on a medicine called metformin. 07:41 He says, "No, I don't want to take this, 07:43 even though it's super high, 07:44 I want to give it a try to reverse it." 07:46 And he had a really nice doctor and his doctor says, 07:48 "Well, I'll give you some months to do it." 07:50 And so he went, did his research 07:52 and found out the things I'm talking about, 07:54 about going to whole food plant-based diet. 07:56 But he was already on that. 07:58 Yeah, right. 07:59 But what he was not doing, 08:01 you know, he was on that good diet 08:02 but he was still taking in too many healthy fats 08:05 and he was still taking in processed foods. 08:07 Okay. This guy was a chipaholic. 08:09 When I talked him about his diet, 08:11 he was eating too many chips. 08:12 They're made of corn. Yes, corns are good. 08:14 That's right, corn is good. 08:16 But he would go to a Mexican restaurant 08:19 and eat too many chips, 08:20 and he was addicted to it, as addicted behavior. 08:22 And he wasn't exercising as much as he should. 08:25 So he went to a real strict diet. 08:27 No processed foods. 08:29 Ate things like oatmeal and nuts in the morning, 08:32 salads only with vinaigrettes, nothing fat on it, 08:35 may be some beans. 08:36 And he did this for two months, stuck with it 08:39 and he increased his exercise program 08:40 to an hour and half a day. 08:43 Well, in two months that hemoglobin A1c 08:45 went from 13 all the way down to 5. 08:50 And he went back to... 08:51 In how many months? In two months. 08:53 Wow! 08:54 And he went back to his doctor and he says, 08:55 "Well, this is nice, but this is not sustainable." 08:59 Okay? 09:00 So he says, "I'm gonna give you four months, you can't keep..." 09:02 You know, this patient can't keep this up. 09:03 So went back to his doctor and said, 09:05 "No, you can't keep this up." 09:06 But you know what? He kept this up. 09:08 He made a few more changes 09:09 and added some healthy fats in his diet. 09:11 But he has addictions to processed foods, 09:14 he had his understanding 09:16 of the importance of exercise improved. 09:17 No he was still... 09:19 His pancreas was making insulin but not a lot of insulin. 09:22 So he really had type one and a half, 09:24 the type of diabetes from a genetic lazy pancreas 09:27 as well as from the process of eating too much fat. 09:31 So eat a little bit of both. 09:32 Had compounded issue. 09:33 And he knew, if he didn't make changes, 09:35 he will run out of insulin, 09:36 then he would have to take modern medicine to stay alive. 09:40 So I think, this is a very, very dramatic story. 09:43 And this gentleman had his blood checked recently, 09:46 and he's now done it for over a year, 09:48 keeping him a non-diabetic, but he has diabetic tendencies. 09:52 So would you say this person is a diabetic or not? 09:56 Yeah, I'd say probably so. Yeah. 09:58 So but there's lots of people 09:59 that are walking around the world today 10:01 that have some type of chronic disease. 10:04 And people, in talking this gentleman, 10:07 I said, "What's the key to this? 10:08 What's the key to you making that change?" 10:11 And you know, he related to me, 10:13 the key to making that change was his relationship with God. 10:17 He says, "I ask God for help to do things, I couldn't do." 10:20 It's not easy to get on the treadmill 10:22 and walk an hour and half a day. 10:24 It's not easy to eat these foods over and over. 10:26 But God gave him the power to break those addictions 10:30 and that's what able that person 10:32 to beat type 2 diabetes. 10:34 So to answer that question, earlier we did today, 10:37 yes, type 2 is reversible. 10:40 And you know who that person was? 10:41 I do actually, 10:43 but I think you're gonna have to tell everyone. 10:44 Yeah, that person who reversed type 2 diabetes was myself. 10:47 Yeah. 10:48 And I went through all of those changes 10:50 with God's help. 10:51 And I realize that all of us have problems, 10:54 we all need a savior, and that's the real solution 10:56 to not only see the lifestyle changes 10:59 and the place for modern medicine, 11:00 but give us the power in our life to do things 11:03 for the right reasons. 11:05 So I was just happy in my life that God gave me the power 11:08 to not only see that, but make some changes 11:11 so I could use this as a testimony to others, 11:14 to help inspire them 11:16 to come into relationship with the ultimate physician, 11:18 who can give them power to see truth and enact change. 11:21 And even if they can't do anything, 11:23 as long as they're with Christ, they're in a very safe place. 11:27 Yeah, and I think that's a great reminder 11:28 for folks who are maybe vegetarians 11:30 and they feel like they eat pretty healthy, 11:32 but if they're still eating a lot of processed foods, 11:34 and they have the wrong genetics 11:36 and that are kind of predisposed for diabetes, 11:38 they still could have an issue. 11:39 And, Nick, the changes I made were pretty drastic, 11:43 pretty quick, because I felt horrible. 11:46 I was going to the bathroom all the time. 11:48 I was tired all the time. 11:49 I was working and doing ministry work, 11:51 doing good things, 11:52 but if you don't take care of your health, 11:54 you know, things don't go well. 11:56 So I really had to depend on my Heavenly Father, I said, 11:59 "God, I don't know why You did this, 12:00 but I want to use it to glorify Your name. 12:03 I want to use it to help this ministry. 12:05 I want to use it to help other people," 12:06 realized that this is the major problem 12:09 in our world today. 12:11 When one in three are gonna have it, 12:12 when it's leading precursor to all these vascular problems 12:15 like heart attack, strokes, neuropathies, kidney disease, 12:19 blindness, we want to help people do better 12:22 and it comes from the power that comes 12:24 that you give us to see truth and enact that in our lives. 12:27 That's an awesome testimony. 12:29 Thank you for sharing Dr. Marcum. 12:30 You're welcome. 12:31 But I want to make one free offer here. 12:33 Our free guide to optimum nutrition 12:34 is available at Biblical Prescriptions.com/Nutrition. 12:38 There're some great tips, some inspiration there 12:41 for you to find better ways 12:43 to eat whole food plant-based diet 12:45 and then move yourself towards the better health 12:47 and a better relationship with our Heavenly Father. 12:49 Thanks for joining us. 12:50 Dr. Marcum will close the program 12:52 in just a moment with prayer. 13:00 I've learnt personally 13:02 that chronic disease is reversible. 13:05 And I'm so thankful that in my case, 13:08 God helped me one step at a time 13:10 to see what I needed to do. 13:11 He gave me the power to do it and stick with it. 13:15 And I want to let you focus 13:16 in on what's so important in our lives, 13:18 and that's the relationship between our Heavenly Father 13:20 to help us to see truth 13:22 and that He really is the Ultimate Prescription. 13:25 Let's pray together. 13:28 Father of God, we want to thank You 13:30 for taking care of us 13:31 and using our weaknesses to help other people 13:34 and to turn our diseases into testimonies 13:38 and witnesses for You, Father, and go with us this day. 13:41 And we thank You so much 13:43 for Your saving grace is our prayer, amen. 13:47 I want to thank you for joining us today 13:48 on the Ultimate Prescription. 13:50 If you might have a suggestion 13:52 or if you might have a question, 13:53 go to our website, that's HeartWiseMinistries.org. |
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