Spring Camp Meeting 2014

The Schools of Interpretation

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

Program transcript

Participants: Ty Gibson


Series Code: 14SCM

Program Code: 14SCM000013S

00:38 Hello and welcome to this hour of blessing
00:40 through 3ABN Spring Camp Meeting
00:42 as we present to you The Second Coming:
00:45 an in-depth look. And we have been blessed
00:47 by many speakers already. And we are glad to have
00:50 a multitude of people that are eager to hear the preaching
00:53 of God's Word. Do you love Jesus? Say amen.
00:56 Amen! Amen. We welcome those of you that are joining us
00:59 in different parts of the world... be it radio, Internet,
01:03 local cable, local television, or whatever method you are using
01:07 to get 3ABN because now you can even get 3ABN on those
01:11 Smartphones and tablets.
01:13 And so we're using every means possible
01:15 to get the gospel out. And we praise the Lord
01:17 that many people are being won to Christ
01:19 through every one of those methods we have mentioned. Amen!
01:22 We are talking about the second coming.
01:25 The day will come when you could be driving down the road,
01:28 working in your garden, going to the grocery store
01:31 or whatever the case may be and that little cloud that
01:36 appears as a man's hand will be growing bigger and bigger
01:39 and eventually you will hear the sound of trumpets
01:44 and the mighty glory of Jesus and the angels.
01:48 And the sky will be lit
01:52 with the glory of that majestic second coming.
01:57 And I hope you'll be among those that their heart rejoices
02:01 and they say: "Finally the time has come
02:04 for our redemption from this evil world! "
02:08 There will be a group of people that will be very sad.
02:12 We hope you will be in the correct group:
02:15 the group that will be happy to see Jesus come.
02:17 So as we look at the prophecies we must understand
02:22 how to interpret these prophecies.
02:24 And Ty Gibson, the speaker during this hour,
02:27 he will be leading us through a Bible study
02:30 to help us understand the schools of Biblical
02:34 interpretation. And so we hope you have pens; Bible ready
02:39 and paper to be able to jot down this information.
02:42 And with this information you will be able to take a look
02:45 at the prophecies and understand the correct way
02:48 to interpret these prophecies and to stand on sure ground.
02:52 Amen? Amen.
02:54 Before Ty Gibson presents this message
02:57 we are blessed to have Sr. Celestine and Michael Barry.
03:02 Michael will be at the piano and Celestine will be singing
03:06 a hymn - very well known but very powerful -
03:09 The Blood Will Never Lose Its Power.
03:14 Before she sings and before the message
03:16 we would like to invite you to pray.
03:18 And if it is possible for you we'd like to invite you to
03:20 stand. And let us go to the Lord in prayer and ask
03:22 for His blessing. Because without His blessing
03:26 we will be lost. Let us pray together:
03:30 Our loving heavenly Father,
03:33 we are grateful to You, Lord, that You care
03:36 so much for us that even in this hour
03:40 You want to speak to us.
03:42 And we pray that You will speak to us
03:44 through Your servant Ty Gibson.
03:47 We thank you for his ministry through Light Bearers
03:51 that is winning souls for Your kingdom
03:54 through the preaching of the gospel, through literature.
03:58 And we praise the Lord that literally millions of pieces of
04:02 literature have been distributed throughout the world
04:04 through Light Bearers Ministry.
04:07 We thank you for his leadership as co-founder
04:09 and speaker for Light Bearers Ministry
04:12 and we pray that You will con- tinue to bless him and use him.
04:15 That even in this hour Your Holy Spirit will be upon him
04:18 to use him to lead us through this understanding of Your Word.
04:23 We pray, Father, that You will bless his wife Sue
04:27 and his children and that their ministry could have Your
04:32 protection, Your leadership, and Your leading in each and
04:35 every aspect. And Father, bless us also
04:38 with the Holy Spirit that we may understand the message
04:41 You have brought to us through him.
04:43 And we ask You for these things
04:45 in the holy and blessed name of Jesus, Amen.
04:49 Amen. You may be seated. I leave you with Sr. Celestine
04:53 and Michael Barry.
05:13 The blood that Jesus
05:17 shed for me,
05:22 Way back on Calvary;
05:28 The blood that gives me strength
05:32 from day to day,
05:36 It will never lose its pow'r.
05:43 It reaches to the highest
05:48 mountain,
05:50 And it flows to the lowest
05:55 valley, yes
05:58 the blood that gives me strength
06:02 from day to day,
06:06 It will never lose
06:10 its pow'r.
06:14 It soothes my doubts
06:18 and calms my fears,
06:24 And it dries all my tears;
06:29 Yes, the blood
06:31 that gives me strength
06:33 from day to day,
06:37 It will never lose
06:40 its pow'r.
06:44 It reaches
06:46 to the highest mountain,
06:51 And it flows
06:54 to the lowest valley
06:58 Yes, ooh, the blood
07:01 that gives me strength
07:03 from day to day,
07:07 It will never lose its pow'r.
07:14 It reaches
07:17 to the highest mountain,
07:22 And it flows
07:24 to the lowest valley
07:29 Yes, ooh, the blood
07:32 that gives me strength
07:34 from day to day,
07:38 It will never lose...
07:42 It will never lose...
07:45 It will never
07:50 lose
07:53 its
07:57 pow'r.
08:06 Amen! Amen!
08:11 Celestine, Michael... thank you.
08:14 Good afternoon everybody. Good afternoon!
08:16 I'm so glad to... Happy Birthday, Ty!
08:20 OK.
08:25 All the evidence I need
08:29 that James preached some time before me today.
08:35 But here's the fact of the matter; here's the fact of
08:37 the matter: I don't need that circumstantial evidence
08:40 because James thinks he's slick.
08:45 He thinks that he had a private conversation with you
08:49 forgetting the fact that this is on the airwaves
08:52 around the world
08:56 and that 3ABN is available in the very hotel room
08:59 where I was staying.
09:03 And I flipped it on knowing he was going to preach
09:06 at that particular time, and I stood there listening
09:08 to him preach because he tends to have things worth knowing.
09:14 So I knew... As soon as I walked on campus here
09:18 people were smiling at me. Sending me texts.
09:21 But listen, listen, here's what I know about James:
09:27 first of all, he's driving right now so he won't know
09:30 anything I'm about to share with you.
09:32 Second of all, I refer to him as
09:35 Elder James... not by virtue of ordination
09:41 but by virtue of age. That's right.
09:44 That is as a synonym for "Old Dude. "
09:48 James is older than me, but I want to tell you
09:50 something else about James because this Camp Meeting theme
09:53 is about the second advent, the second coming.
09:56 James and I began serving the Lord very early
10:00 and preaching the Word at a very young age together.
10:04 And James was so convicted that Jesus was coming soon -
10:10 and rightly so - that he said: "I'll never get married. "
10:14 I said: "Is that right? "
10:16 But he kept hanging around my house, and my wife was
10:18 making him clothes and feeding him
10:21 and just a great arrangement for James.
10:27 So I began to develop a conviction - straight from
10:30 the Lord, no doubt - that James ought to get married.
10:34 But James was sure that he shouldn't get married
10:37 because time was so short.
10:39 And then we had a Camp Meeting, and during that Camp Meeting
10:42 James made the acquaintance of a young lady.
10:46 We were all very young then.
10:48 And after the Camp Meeting he came to me
10:50 and he said: "Ty, I met this girl but you know I'm convicted
10:54 not to get married. " I said: "Yeah, I know you're
10:56 convicted not to get married but tell me about her. "
11:01 So he proceeded to tell me about this girl
11:03 that he met at Camp Meeting.
11:06 And I said: "James, here's what you need to do:
11:08 you need to write her a letter and you need to say something
11:12 like: 'My name is James. We met briefly.
11:16 You were at the Camp Meeting.
11:17 I would like to begin communication with you
11:19 to explore the possibility of marriage. ' "
11:26 He said: "That's not how you do it, is it? "
11:30 And I said: "When you believe that Jesus is coming soon,
11:34 brother, that's how you do it.
11:36 We're running out of time and we need to get you married up. "
11:39 He was absolutely determined not to get married;
11:43 I was absolutely determined that he would and should
11:45 get married just so there was somebody else to spend time
11:48 with him... although I enjoy thoroughly spending time
11:52 with him. One little part that you need to know
11:55 actually preparatory to our message, and that is this:
11:58 that he almost got hitched to a girl before the one...
12:02 Well, by the way... that girl actually wrote back.
12:04 He was so nervous: "She's not going to go for this. "
12:07 She wrote back and said: "Yes, let's begin communication. "
12:11 I said: "She will respect the fact that you got down to
12:13 business. " But there was a girl before that,
12:17 and he almost married her and I talked him out of that.
12:22 And you know why?
12:24 Because the only reason he considered marrying her
12:28 is because she was one of the very few human beings -
12:32 and the only female - who would listen to his entire two-day
12:36 explanation of the 7 trumpets.
12:41 And she believed it; she got it; it registered.
12:44 And he came to me excited: "She understands
12:47 the 7 trumpets. " I said: "James, that is a rare find!
12:52 That is a rare find that you found a girl
12:55 that understands the 7 trumpets.
12:57 But you're going to want to kiss her at some point
13:00 so you're going to have to make sure
13:02 that you are attracted on all levels...
13:05 not just the prophetic level. " Anyways...
13:09 So don't tell James I said any of that.
13:13 But it's all true. Well we need to get into the message.
13:16 You have seen the title, haven't you?
13:18 The title of this message?
13:20 The Schools of Interpretation.
13:22 How many of you salivate at the word school?
13:26 Me neither.
13:28 That title is such that I'm surprised that you're here.
13:33 Some of you could be napping right now
13:35 because that just does not sound very fascinating.
13:40 Doesn't sound interesting.
13:41 But I'm here to tell you that it's vitally important
13:45 that we understand that the Bible is written
13:50 in particular patterns.
13:53 There's a grid... there's a language to it.
13:56 God inspired the prophets to write these things
14:01 and God Himself - when He inspired these things -
14:05 had the interpretation in mind.
14:09 God knows what it means, and so just on a literary level
14:14 the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation
14:16 are an artistic wonder.
14:19 They are an incredibly beautiful coherent seamless
14:23 explanation of events that would transpire one after another
14:28 down through the corridors of time.
14:31 Now what we're about to discover is that God has
14:35 put in the prophecies themselves
14:39 the method by which the prophecies may be understood.
14:45 Now you should know at the outset that there are three
14:48 main ways of looking at Bible prophecy.
14:51 There is what is called the Preterist approach to Daniel
14:54 and Revelation. And that word simply means past.
14:58 Preter means past. So when you hear of the Preterist approach
15:03 it simply means that the prophecies of Daniel
15:06 and Revelation are largely for the most part interpreted
15:10 as having been fulfilled when do you think?
15:13 In the past... mostly with the Roman Empire in its pagan phase.
15:17 Are you with me so far?
15:19 Preterist means what? Past.
15:22 But then there's another interpretive approach
15:25 and it is called Futurism.
15:28 And of course Futurism looks at the prophecies of Daniel and
15:31 Revelation and for the most part interprets those prophecies
15:36 to be yet fulfilled in the... What do you think? The future.
15:42 Now there's another method of interpretation
15:46 and it's called the Historicist approach.
15:50 What's it called? The Historicist approach.
15:53 Now don't be deceived by this word.
15:56 Historicist is not a word in this technical sense
16:00 that means to convey the idea that it was all
16:04 fulfilled in history. That's the Preterist approach, right?
16:09 The Historicist approach spans
16:12 the entire area of prophetic history.
16:18 It takes in fulfillment of events in history.
16:23 It takes in the fact that we are poised as it were
16:27 on the edge of our seats right now in the present
16:30 awaiting the fulfillment of certain events.
16:33 And it takes into account that there are yet future events
16:37 that have yet to unfold. So the Historicist approach
16:42 straddles the entire span of prophetic history.
16:48 It's not all in the past; it's not all in the future.
16:51 And therefore the Historicist approach is not only
16:55 relevant to history but the Historicist approach
16:59 is the only approach that is inherently calculated
17:05 to give us the proper kind or quality of urgency.
17:11 Because as we're about to discover
17:13 according to the Historicist approach we are... listen very
17:16 carefully... we are on the tail end of the fulfillment
17:22 of every one of the great prophetic lines.
17:26 We are teetering on the edge of eternity
17:30 as we're about to discover.
17:32 Now, the Historicist approach is embedded in the text.
17:37 The Preterist approach and the Futurist approach
17:40 need to be imposed on the text.
17:44 Whereas the Historicist interpretation
17:47 is what is obviously intended in the text itself.
17:53 Turn to Revelation chapter 1.
17:55 Revelation chapter 1... and here we have
17:59 the first vision that John received
18:04 for the book of Revelation.
18:06 And it's important to notice the first vision.
18:09 We tend to run off into the future visions
18:14 of the seven churches, the seven seals, the seven trumpets
18:17 etc. and to overlook the fact
18:20 that there is an introductory vision.
18:23 There is a preliminary vision that constitutes
18:27 the lens if you will... the paradigmatic window...
18:30 the grid through which all the other prophecies
18:34 are to be understood, all right?
18:36 So the first vision is in chapter 1 of Revelation.
18:41 And for the sake of time I'm not going to read all the words.
18:44 You're going to have to be a Bible student with me
18:46 right now because this is a big picture message.
18:50 We're looking at the forest right now, not the individual
18:53 trees. I'm going to turn you to all the texts
18:56 but I'm not going to read long passages to you
18:58 because I want you to do kind of a fly-by with me
19:01 of the prophecies of Revelation.
19:03 I want you to get the aerial view so you get oriented on
19:06 the landscape of prophecy so that you're equipped
19:10 to go back and read the book of Revelation
19:13 with clarity of vision because now you know
19:17 how to read the text, all right?
19:19 So in Revelation chapter 1 we have the first vision.
19:22 It is a vision of the Lord Jesus Christ
19:26 in verses 13 and onward
19:30 and the description picks up in verse 13.
19:35 "And in the midst of the seven lamp stands one like
19:38 the Son of Man. " Notice the language very carefully.
19:40 In verse 13 it says: "He was clothed
19:43 with a garment down to the feet. "
19:46 And then it says in verse 13 that He was "girded about"
19:49 what part of His body? "His chest, " and it was with a
19:54 "golden band" or another version says a golden girdle
19:58 around His chest. Try to visualize Jesus and
20:02 something is going to emerge to our understanding here.
20:05 Clothed with a garment. That is a white garment of linen
20:09 down to the feet. Down to the feet. Girded
20:13 with a golden band. And then notice verse 14:
20:16 "His hair was white like wool, as white as snow
20:19 and His eyes were like... " What everybody? "like fire. "
20:24 This is fascinating. But not only were His eyes like fire.
20:28 Notice in verse 15 that John now moves to His feet.
20:32 And he said that "His feet were like fine brass
20:36 as if burning in a furnace. "
20:40 Brass burning in a furnace.
20:44 "His voice was like many waters. " Verse 16.
20:47 "And He had in His right hand... " specifically...
20:51 "His right hand seven stars.
20:55 And out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword. "
20:58 And notice this: "His countenance... " His face...
21:02 "was like the sun shining in all its strength. "
21:08 I want you to notice that what John has ingeniously done here
21:13 is that he has given us a description of Jesus
21:18 that is filled with Old Testament codes.
21:24 Language is important. It's vitally important for you
21:28 and I to have a language base in order to understand
21:31 the composition of words.
21:32 That's the study of etymology.
21:34 If I say to you for example
21:36 "You're adorkable" you know that what I've done
21:41 is amalgamate two words that you are familiar with
21:44 so you can come up with the definition.
21:47 You know that I've just employed adorable and dork
21:50 which means you're adorable in a dorky kind of way.
21:54 So you can decipher the word based on the etymology.
21:59 You know - right? - that two words have been combined
22:02 to create this new concept.
22:04 If I say to you that the meal that I just had was
22:07 "scrumbilicious" I'm making up a new word
22:12 in order to convey it was scrumptious and delicious.
22:17 That's right. If I say: "My daughter Leah
22:20 is a fantabulous human being
22:23 I'm not content with fabulous...
22:26 she's fantastic AND fabulous.
22:30 So because we have language
22:33 we know how to make sense
22:35 out of the new things that we encounter in language, right?
22:39 Are you with me so far? So the book of Revelation
22:44 assumes Biblical literacy.
22:47 You can't read the book of Revelation in a vacuum.
22:51 It is a book that is composed of Old Testament
22:56 symbols and types. It's a language all its own.
23:01 So John in a very short space
23:04 is describing things - get this - that are referring back.
23:10 Notice what he's describing
23:12 as the first graphic comes on the screen.
23:16 Notice what he's describing. The Old Testament sanctuary
23:20 was composed of a high white linen wall
23:25 for the entire enclosure called the courtyard. Right?
23:30 As you step in through the first gate into the courtyard
23:34 you encounter an altar that was made out of brass
23:39 that had a fire continually burning upon it
23:42 for sacrificial purposes.
23:44 As you step into the holy place you encounter
23:48 seven luminous lamps...
23:53 the candelabra.
23:56 And as you step into the Most Holy Place
23:59 you're crossing a threshold of the third veil.
24:03 The first into the courtyard; the second into the holy place.
24:07 There's a third veil. It's unique. It's interwoven
24:11 with gold. It's the only one. And then in the Most Holy Place
24:17 is the Shekinah glory.
24:21 John says: "I saw Jesus and He was clothed with a garment
24:25 down to the feet. And His feet were like fine brass
24:30 as if they were burning in a furnace.
24:33 And as I looked at Him in His right hand were 7 stars.
24:38 And He was girded about His chest with gold
24:42 and His face was like the sun shining in all its glory. "
24:49 What John has described is the person of Jesus Christ
24:53 and simultaneously He has described the Old Testament
24:58 sanctuary with little trigger points so that the Biblically
25:02 literate person - the person who is familiar with scripture -
25:05 will say: "Oh, we're dealing with sanctuary language
25:10 and terminology as these prophecies unfold before us. "
25:14 It's brilliant, but there's more to it than that
25:18 because not only has John described Jesus as the temple
25:24 Himself, which - parenthetical statement just for a moment
25:26 here - Jesus Himself did the same thing.
25:29 You remember His conversation with the disciples where He said
25:31 "Destroy this temple and in 3 days I'll raise it up. "
25:34 They said: "How can You do that? They've been building this
25:37 temple for years. How can You? " And then what did the text say?
25:41 "He spoke of the temple of His body. "
25:46 Jesus described Himself as the temple of God.
25:50 If you simply do a body overlay
25:54 and transpose it over the sanctuary's aerial view,
25:57 the floor plan, the head would fall in the Most Holy Place
26:00 area and the feet at the altar of brass.
26:04 And the right hand would fall at the 7-branched candlestick
26:08 and the golden band of the veil into the Most Holy Place
26:13 would be at His chest. John has done something amazing here.
26:17 But it's more amazing... because the sanctuary, if you
26:20 could go back to that graphic, the sanctuary is not only
26:25 an illustration of individual Christian experience.
26:30 The sanctuary is an illustration of the entire historic span
26:36 of the plan of salvation.
26:38 It's a historic illustration of the various junctures
26:44 of the plan of salvation.
26:46 Jesus is incarnate. He comes into the world
26:51 and into the courtyard. And the cross of Christ is symbolized
26:56 by this altar of brass.
26:58 Jesus is crucified there. The courtyard represents
27:02 that phase of salvation history that is encompassed
27:07 by the incarnation, life, death,
27:10 and burial and resurrection of Jesus.
27:13 But then Jesus rose again and He ascended on high
27:17 to the right hand of the Father.
27:20 Jesus went into the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary,
27:24 there to continue... there to continue the salvation
27:28 work now in the role of High Priest.
27:33 And then Jesus in 1844...
27:36 we don't have time to demonstrate or prove that,
27:38 that's in another study entirely... this is the aerial
27:40 view, this is the forest - not the trees...
27:43 In 1844 Jesus moved
27:48 into the Most Holy Place phase of the plan of salvation
27:52 preparatory to what we sometimes refer to as the
27:57 final atonement - Yom Kippur - the Day of Atonement,
28:00 the Day of Judgment and involv- ing the scapegoat transaction
28:05 where the scapegoat is sent into the wilderness
28:09 to perish for want of sustenance and support
28:12 representing the fact that ultimately
28:15 while Jesus by His sacrifice is the Savior of the world
28:19 Satan will finally bear the responsibility
28:24 for the sin problem as the one who is the originator
28:29 of sin. And the devil will come to the place where he
28:34 is going to perish as it were for want of the support
28:39 that he has had due to the lies he has told regarding
28:43 the character of God. Again, that's a whole "nother" study.
28:46 But simply what has happened is salvation history has
28:50 unfolded forward so that great clarity has been brought
28:54 to the issues in the great controversy, most importantly
28:58 great clarity has been brought regarding the love of God.
29:02 The character of God. The glorious beauty of the
29:06 character of God has been fully exonerated and vindicated
29:10 on the premise of the life, death, burial, and resurrection
29:15 of Christ: the vindicator of God's character.
29:18 And that vindication - when it is preached, when the gospel
29:22 is preached to the world - shifts the sympathies
29:27 of the world in the direction of Christ away from
29:31 the edifice of lies that have been told regarding
29:33 the character of God. And this is where the loud cry
29:37 of the third angel's message, illumines the whole world
29:40 with the glory of God.
29:41 People globally, through the proclamation of the gospel,
29:45 begin to believe a new doctrinal system
29:49 that makes God out to be the beautiful God that He really is.
29:53 And the lies that Satan has propagated through the system
29:58 of Babylon begin to fall for want of believability
30:03 on the premise of the beautiful proclamation of the gospel.
30:07 Now, with that brief background
30:10 Revelation chapter 1 has told us
30:13 that what we're about to encounter in the prophecies of
30:17 Revelation is a series of prophecies that take in
30:22 a span of time beginning with Christ
30:27 and His death at the cross:
30:28 His life, death, burial and resurrection.
30:31 This is the grounded point of the prophecy.
30:36 This is the starting point of the prophecy:
30:39 the apostolic period. All of the prophecies that follow
30:43 are intended to give us a repeat and enlarge picture
30:48 of events that will transpire from the time of Christ and the
30:52 apostles straight on through the courtyard phase,
30:56 the holy place into the Most Holy Place.
30:58 Final atonement, the shifting of the weight of
31:01 responsibility onto Satan, the vindication of God's character,
31:04 the end of the great controversy and the second advent.
31:07 This is the span of history covered.
31:10 Now with that in mind, let's do a brief overview
31:15 of the prophecies that unfold at this point
31:18 in order to grasp the Historicist pattern
31:23 that follows the sanctuary out- line of the vision in chapter 1.
31:26 First of all, in chapters 3 through 5 of Revelation
31:29 we have the first prophecy that covers the prophetic span.
31:34 Of course, Revelation 1 is the first prophecy
31:37 that's introductory in setting course for us
31:40 as we've just established.
31:42 But Revelation 3 through 5 is the seven churches
31:47 prophecy. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7...
31:51 they cover a span of history.
31:53 Ephesus, the first church, is the apostolic age.
31:57 And as church history unfolds forward
32:01 we come to 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...
32:05 Now watch this carefully:
32:07 When we come to the 6th church
32:09 which is the church of Philadelphia
32:11 we have very fascinating language that ought to be
32:15 familiar to us at this point
32:16 that is invoked for the interpretation.
32:20 In chapter 3 of Revelation
32:22 in the Philadelphia period - that is, in the 6th church...
32:26 the little hinge period between churches 6 and 7-
32:30 seven being Laodicea preparatory to the 2nd coming -
32:33 Watch this: when we come to the 6th church
32:36 suddenly John is told: "Behold I have set before you
32:41 an open door and no man can shut it. "
32:47 What is this language?
32:49 Suddenly we're face to face with a door... a passageway.
32:53 Now it is an experiential door, and experiential passageway,
32:58 that we can apply to our individual Christian experience
33:02 but it's a historic transition.
33:06 During the Philadelphia period, "Behold I have set before you
33:09 an open door" specifically refers to the door into the
33:12 Most Holy Place. This is telling us that at this
33:16 particular juncture of prophetic history
33:19 a great transition is going to occur.
33:22 Jesus is going to move from the holy place phase of His
33:26 High Priestly ministry into the Most Holy Place phase.
33:32 So... Most Holy Place language is invoked
33:37 for us to understand where we are in the span
33:41 of prophetic history.
33:42 Then we come to the prophecy of the seven seals.
33:45 Seven churches... seven seals.
33:48 As the seven seals prophecy unfolds in chapters 6 through 8
33:52 please notice with me that again
33:56 we're grounded in history with the 1st seal referring to
34:00 political events that are transpiring in the larger world
34:05 whereas the first vision of the seven churches
34:09 is specifically interested in what's going on among God's
34:12 people within the church.
34:15 When we come to the seven seals we've got a repeat and enlarge
34:19 principle that we're encountering.
34:21 It's as if God is saying: "OK, I've just moved you from
34:24 the first church down through time... apostolic period down
34:28 to the 7th church preparatory to the 2nd coming.
34:31 OK... you got that? "
34:33 We say: "Yes, Lord. "
34:34 He says: "Now back up with Me
34:36 and I'm going to give you another vision that's going to
34:39 emphasize different events that are running concurrent...
34:43 simultaneous to the unfolding of this same span of history. "
34:47 I want to emphasize same span of history.
34:52 So the seven seals unfold forward until we come
34:57 to the 6th and 7th seal. And again we find
35:02 that sanctuary language is suddenly invoked again.
35:06 When we come to chapter 8 and verses 1 through 4...
35:10 fascinating... suddenly we have a golden censer
35:15 that is filled with incense which the prophet tells us
35:19 constitutes the prayers of the saints mingled with that incense
35:23 which is the righteousness of Christ which makes our
35:26 prayers acceptable before God.
35:29 So what is the censer? Just as the door that is invoked
35:35 at the end of the seven churches prophecy
35:38 brings our minds to the Most Holy Place -
35:41 to that veil into the Most Holy Place -
35:43 the censer belongs to what part of the sanctuary?
35:48 The Most Holy Place.
35:50 The censer belongs to the Most Holy Place.
35:53 The priest on the Day of Atonement -
35:56 post 1844 in the anti-type...
35:59 The priest takes some of the incense off of the altar
36:02 of incense in the holy place, right?
36:05 Puts it in the censer and then goes into the Most Holy Place
36:09 on the Day of Atonement, waving the censer to fill it
36:11 with smoke. There's practical purpose for this, by the way,
36:13 that Isaiah chapter 6 points out to us, and that is
36:17 that the Shekinah glory is there, so the priest is filling
36:19 the Most Holy Place with smoke in order to dim the glory
36:23 of God's presence so that he can endure
36:27 moving through the Day of Atonement ceremony
36:29 and not be destroyed. Josephus tells us -
36:32 and this is extra-Biblical - Josephus tells us
36:35 that they also tied a rope around brother high priest's
36:38 ankle and let him feed his way in there
36:43 and they're listening for the bells that were at the bottom
36:46 of his garment. As long as you hear those bells
36:49 you know everything is cool.
36:51 But then all of a sudden... no bells.
36:55 "Let's wait a little longer. " Still no bells.
36:57 "Let's wait a little longer. " No bells. "I say we pull. "
37:00 They pull the rope and out comes the high priest.
37:04 This was the holy presence of God
37:08 that required a certain preparedness
37:13 to endure. So we see that at the seven seals prophecy
37:18 as we come to the conclusion of the seven seals
37:22 that hinge point between number six and number seven.
37:27 Again, Most Holy Place language is invoked. Why?
37:31 To orient us. Remember we're dealing with a language here.
37:37 We're dealing with sanctuary language.
37:39 The first vision prepared us by teaching us the language.
37:44 The first vision referred us back to the sanctuary
37:48 and with that language now continually we are oriented.
37:52 Where are we in the span of prophetic time?
37:55 We're again between the sixth and the seventh seal.
37:58 We're at that phase of salvation history
38:01 represented by the Most Holy Place.
38:03 Post 1844 just prior to the second coming of Christ.
38:07 OK... watch the pattern continue.
38:10 We come then to the seven trumpets prophecy
38:14 of Revelation in chapters 8 through 11.
38:19 As the seven trumpets prophecy unfolds, again
38:23 First, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth trumpet.
38:28 And when we come to the seventh trumpet
38:31 look at the language in chapter 11 verse 19 of
38:35 Revelation. Chapter 11 and verse 19 of Revelation.
38:44 We're now at the 7th trumpet -
38:48 in the period related to the seventh trumpet -
38:52 verse 19 of chapter 11 of Revelation:
38:55 "Then the temple of God was opened in heaven
38:59 and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.
39:03 And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings
39:09 an earthquake and great hail. "
39:12 What is this ark? And where does it belong
39:15 in your Biblical orientation?
39:18 Where does it belong? The Most Holy Place.
39:22 So the ark that belongs to the Most Holy Place
39:26 is now brought to our attention
39:29 during that period represented by the seventh trumpet.
39:34 Fascinating! What we see here is a pattern of language
39:38 in which the prophet over and over again is saying
39:41 We begin here - apostolic age, the time of Christ.
39:44 The Christ event in it's totality: death, burial,
39:47 resurrection. The entire Christ event is the launching point,
39:52 the anchor, the beginning of the prophecy.
39:55 Seven churches unfold. Boom!
39:57 Most Holy Place language is triggered
40:00 in the sixth church.
40:04 He backs up... seven seals. Most Holy Place language
40:09 is invoked again at the end of the sixth seal.
40:15 Seven trumpets? Back up. Again, repeat and enlarge
40:19 dealing with other events that are running simultaneous to
40:23 this same period of time.
40:26 And as they back up and begin to move forward
40:29 what happens again?
40:31 We come to the end of the seven trumpets prophecy
40:34 and John very consistently again invokes Most Holy Place
40:39 furniture, Most Holy Place language.
40:42 Again we're oriented. We know where we are in time.
40:46 This next vision, and this is extremely important to grasp
40:50 this next point, is what we're going to refer to as
40:53 "the cosmic war vision. " Chapters 12 through 14.
40:59 You remember chapter 12 begins in verse 1 where John
41:04 sees a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet
41:08 with a garland of 12 stars on her head, right?
41:13 And as the vision unfolds we realize that this woman
41:17 is about to give birth to a Man Child.
41:20 And we understand in the Historicist interpretation
41:25 that this Man Child to be born to the woman -
41:27 that is, born to Israel and born to the church
41:31 at that critical juncture of transition
41:34 between Old Testament Israel, New Testament Israel -
41:37 at that critical juncture Israel which is the posterity
41:42 through which Messiah was to come
41:46 Jesus is born to the world through an Abrahamic lineage.
41:51 He comes into the world and the prophecy unfolds and tells us
41:55 there was an attempt on His life.
41:57 We corroborate the evidence in the gospels and find out
42:00 that it was Herod that made the attempt on the baby Jesus' life.
42:04 Right? This is all in Revelation 12.
42:06 Revelation 12 brings us right up to the cross
42:09 and tells us in verses 7-9 that there was war in heaven.
42:13 That Michael and His angels fought and the devil and his
42:16 angels fought and prevailed not. Neither was a place found
42:19 for them any more in heaven.
42:21 And the devil was cast out.
42:23 And that entire segment of the prophecy -
42:27 this is remarkable... John is doing something amazing -
42:30 he is giving us a picture of the great controversy
42:34 as it began in heaven with Lucifer's rebellion
42:38 and simultaneously he's taking us to the cross
42:41 where Jesus conquers the devil in principle
42:46 by revealing the unparalleled love of God
42:50 at Calvary so that Jesus could say in John chapter 12
42:55 "I beheld Satan fall like lightning from heaven
43:00 and I, when I am lifted up, will draw all back to Me...
43:06 all peoples to Me. "
43:08 What is Jesus explaining?
43:10 He's saying that "When I die on the cross there will be
43:13 such a brilliant and beautiful revelation
43:17 of the character of God in this unprecedented
43:21 selfless love for you that everyone who sees it
43:25 two things will happen for them:
43:27 Satan will lose credibility in their theological paradigm,
43:31 in their emotional experience,
43:33 in their entire life experience Satan will lose credibility.
43:37 He will fall as it were from heavenly sympathies
43:41 and from human sympathies by the revelation of God's love
43:44 at the cross. " But not only that, not only will Satan fall
43:48 but Jesus said: "And everybody who sees Me
43:51 dying on the cross will be drawn back to Me. "
43:54 That's the vindication principle.
43:56 This is where Jesus is giving a revelation of the character
43:59 of God that is unprecedented in all of universal history
44:03 and persuades intelligent, sentient, free-will creatures
44:09 that God is love in the most extreme and beautiful sense
44:12 imaginable. This brings the hearts of free-will creatures
44:17 to a voluntary worship of God.
44:19 Not under compulsion. No coercion.
44:22 No force; no manipulation.
44:24 We simply see the beauty of God's character
44:27 and voluntarily we begin to gravitate toward Him.
44:31 That's the power of Calvary.
44:33 And as the prophecy of the cosmic war unfolds...
44:38 Watch this... go to Revelation 12 now...
44:40 Revelation chapter 12.
44:43 The whole history unfolds. We have the church in the
44:46 wilderness during the 1,260-year period
44:48 brought to view from 538 AD to 1798 AD.
44:52 That's all in chapter 12 of Revelation.
44:54 But then watch this as we come again following the same
44:58 pattern, the same trajectory, we come to Revelation chapter 12
45:02 to the last verse. We have moved from the birth of Jesus
45:08 in the earlier verses of chapter 12,
45:10 the attempt on His life, the church going into the wilderness
45:15 during a persecution period,
45:17 and now we have a people emerging post 1844...
45:22 and here's how they're described. Verse 17:
45:25 "And the dragon was enraged... " He was wroth
45:28 the King James says... "with the woman and went to make war
45:33 with the remnant of her seed... "
45:37 Now notice this: "who keep the... " What?
45:39 "the commandments of God and have the... " What?
45:42 "the testimony of Jesus. " Again, where are you
45:44 on the landscape of history?
45:47 The law of God, the tables of stone, the Ten Commandments
45:50 pertain to what part of the sanctuary?
45:54 Are they out in the courtyard
45:56 tucked under the altar of brass?
45:58 No! They're in the Most Holy Place in the ark.
46:02 Do you remember where we were in the seven trumpets
46:05 as we came to the seventh?
46:07 "I saw the heavens opened
46:10 and the ark of His testament was seen in His temple. "
46:16 So the seven trumpets end and you're right there in the
46:18 Most Holy Place... Now watch this:
46:20 when you come to the end of the cosmic war vision
46:22 the law of God which has been in the ark -
46:26 right? - is now invoked as the Most Holy Place
46:30 symbol because John is following a pattern here.
46:32 A beautiful, beautiful artistic pattern
46:35 of communication. If you didn't use this symbolism
46:38 you'd have to have entire volumes to explain
46:41 what John is trying to give us here
46:42 in a series of trigger points of symbols.
46:44 It's brilliant!
46:46 And as we come to the end of the cosmic war vision,
46:50 wait a minute... Now the law, the Ten Commandments,
46:53 which are associated with the ark in the Most Holy Place
46:57 now that law shows up... watch this...
47:00 in the experience of a people.
47:05 Now you have the new covenant
47:09 of the law of God being written in the heart and in the mind
47:13 taking place. And this is perfectly logical.
47:15 in the trajectory that John has unfolded for us.
47:19 Because earlier in the cosmic war vision
47:21 what is the centerpiece of focus?
47:24 Jesus Christ incarnate and crucified.
47:28 That event
47:31 of the incarnation and crucifixion of Christ
47:34 constitutes precisely the revelation of God's love
47:41 that leads and escorts God's people into a new covenant
47:44 experience where the law of God is not externally imposed...
47:48 it's internally realized.
47:50 In other words, the law of God which symbolically is in the ark
47:54 that was all symbolic.
47:57 God's not interested in golden boxes and tables of stone.
48:01 That's all symbolic. That's all pointing to something else.
48:05 The Most Holy Place, the ark, the law
48:09 ultimately is to represent the human heart and mind
48:14 and the re-establishment of the Shekinah glory
48:17 in the soul temple, in the citadel of the human heart
48:21 and mind. Not in a room that is being carted around the desert
48:26 thousands of years ago.
48:29 That was all... THAT was pointing to THIS!
48:32 That was pointing to realities that God wants to achieve
48:36 in your heart and mine.
48:38 Writing His law of love in the inner fabric...
48:44 the tender inner fabric of human thoughts and feelings.
48:49 Bringing you and me to the point where Ellen White describes
48:52 the experience of this people when she says:
48:55 "When the impulse to help and bless others
49:00 springs constantly from within
49:03 then God's purpose for us is accomplished. "
49:07 In other words, the law of God is not an external code
49:11 to be imposed with manipulation and pressure
49:15 for outward compliance. The law of God is to be
49:18 inscribed in our very thought processes,
49:21 in our emotional make-up. It's to be written in our hearts
49:24 so that we are pleased to live in obedience to God's law.
49:30 Not because we have to but because we want to
49:33 because His law is in our hearts.
49:36 Now what we've seen here is the unfolding of a series
49:40 of prophetic historic periods of time.
49:45 And as this historic period is unfolded with a
49:50 repeat and enlarge dexterity... just back and forth,
49:53 back and forth replay. OK... here we are again.
49:56 OK, and this happening too and so is this.
49:58 We need to understand something: that we are living
50:02 at the very end - the fulcrum point -
50:07 of eternity on all of these prophetic lines.
50:12 I said to you earlier that there are 3 prophetic views
50:17 of interpretation. The Preterist view which
50:19 applies it all to the?
50:21 The Futurist view which puts it all in the?
50:24 The Historicist view that encompasses both the past and
50:28 the future... present as well.
50:30 But there's a fourth view that is totally unique to Adventists.
50:35 We made it up all by ourselves.
50:40 And the way we made it up is because and rightfully so
50:45 we're urgent for the time. No disrespect is meant.
50:48 But what we've done is we have looked at the prophecies
50:52 and we have lost our bearings on the Historicist plane
50:57 and we have begun to develop a hunger and a thirst
51:02 for what is being called "re-applications"
51:06 of these prophecies to the future.
51:10 And I'll tell you what the problem with that is
51:13 if it hasn't already dawned on you. It should just be clicking.
51:16 The Historicist interpretation
51:19 is the official established Adventist view.
51:23 Up until just not more than about 120 years ago it was
51:27 the official Protestant view.
51:28 Preterism and Futurism is a rather new phenomenon
51:32 in church history. These views were concocted,
51:37 both of them, by Jesuit priests in order to get the heat off
51:40 of the papacy in the Historicist interpretation.
51:44 I don't have time to say more about that.
51:46 But Adventists who are grounded historically in the
51:51 Historicist view of prophecy
51:53 not content to realize the urgency of the fact that we're
51:56 living right there between 6 and 7 and the world is about
52:00 to end, we've begun to back up and say: "Hey, let's take those
52:05 seven seals and put them in the future.
52:07 Let's take those seven trumpets and come up with a future
52:10 application. " Even "Let's take the time prophecies
52:14 of the 1,260-year prophecy of Daniel, the 1,290-year prophecy,
52:18 the 1,335-day prophecy and even the 2,300-day prophecy
52:22 and let's just find literal applications
52:25 that we can have here and now.
52:27 At the end of time we need new applications;
52:31 we need re-application. " This view - this fourth view
52:34 that is unique to Adventists -
52:36 is an effort to hold on to the Historicist view
52:39 'cause we feel like we need to, we have to
52:41 for a couple of reasons. One is because it's embedded
52:43 in the text. Number two, there would be no Adventism
52:46 without the Historicist view. The church would not have
52:49 emerged on the scene of human history
52:51 without the Historicist view of prophecy.
52:54 Number three, Ellen White very firmly
52:57 adheres to and articulates the Historicist view.
53:00 So we feel like we have to maintain the Historicist view.
53:04 So rather than be bold enough to just reject it
53:07 and say: "that's not true" which some have.
53:09 But they eventually just leave the church all together.
53:11 Rather than just say: "That's not true!
53:13 This is the true application. Seven seals, seven trumpets...
53:17 all this. It goes here at the end of time. "
53:18 Rather than have that boldness, language has been
53:22 devised and brought to bear upon it
53:25 to say: "We're going to re- apply. It's a re-application
53:30 of these. " "Oh, we affirm this -
53:33 the Historicist view. We're just giving a second application,
53:36 a dual application, a repeat application. "
53:39 But here's the problem. Here's the problem in the
53:41 3 minutes and 48 seconds that I have...
53:43 Here's the problem:
53:46 The Historicist view... listen carefully now...
53:49 already accounts for the entire span
53:55 of the historical prophetic timeline.
54:01 In other words, we're already between
54:06 six and seven on churches, seals, and trumpets.
54:10 To pick up the historically-fulfilled parts
54:14 back up and pull it all into the future
54:16 would give us an absolute nightmare
54:21 of interpretive logic that can't be sustained.
54:24 Because now to affirm Historicism
54:28 and to come up with new future applications
54:31 is simply to say that we have to unravel the idea
54:34 that we have a new seven seals, a new seven trumpets
54:38 that are unfolding during the Historicist unfolding
54:41 of number six and seven.
54:43 So number six and seven are being fulfilled
54:45 but now we have an overlay of the entire seven.
54:50 So in the interpretive logic
54:53 it's very confusing... it doesn't exist.
54:55 In other words, we don't need a re-application
55:01 of the seals, the trumpets, or the time prophecies. Why?
55:04 Why? Is it logical? Do you see it?
55:06 Why do we not need a reinterpretation for the future?
55:12 Because the Historicist interpretation already accounts
55:16 for the future inherent in its hermeneutic logic.
55:22 There's no reason to have another application.
55:26 But here's the bottom line:
55:29 it's not all about Preterism, Futurism, Historicism,
55:32 and re-application. Can't help but want to end with good news.
55:35 Every single prophecy invokes the Most Holy Place
55:39 at the end in Revelation.
55:41 Watch this. You come to the end of the book of Revelation
55:44 and with beautiful language, unimaginably beautiful language,
55:48 John says: "I saw a holy city, New Jerusalem,
55:51 and the angel that attended me told me
55:54 it's measurements. " And as the angel describes the measurements
55:59 of the Holy City... check this out... he's described
56:04 a geometric cube. There's only one other cube
56:09 in the Bible. It's the Most Holy Place
56:11 of the Old Testament sanctuary.
56:13 You have a small cube where the Shekinah glory was
56:17 and then you have the big cube which is the cubed city
56:20 if you will... the New Jerusalem.
56:22 And the whole story comes to a beautiful, artistic
56:27 resolving logic with God's people all finding themselves
56:32 in the New Jerusalem
56:36 and Revelation ends by telling us: "Now God
56:39 is with His people. They're with Him.
56:43 There's no need for a temple any more.
56:46 There's no need for the light of the sun
56:48 for the Lord God is the light. "
56:50 And we are forever in intimate Most Holy Place
56:55 communion with the most beautiful person in all the
56:58 universe: God Almighty Himself.
57:01 And as we take rest and joy and peace
57:05 in that eternal fellowship we realize at that point
57:10 that all along it was about the restoration
57:14 of this communion with God.
57:17 All the details of the prophetic lines were
57:21 all along pointing to this ultimate end
57:25 the Shekinah glory and you and I face to face.
57:29 Please pray with me. Father in heaven,
57:32 thank you for the clarity of Your Word.
57:34 May we hold fast to what this Word has conveyed to us.
57:40 Please, Lord, help us to re-discover the beauty
57:44 and power of the Historicist view of prophecy
57:46 and the inherent logic that it holds
57:51 to tell us where we are in the stream of time.
57:54 In Jesus' name, Amen.


Revised 2022-04-12