Body and Spirit

Vegetarianism

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

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Participants: Dick Nunez (Host), Jane Baker, Omar Mosquera

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00:02 The following program is designed to demonstrate
00:04 simple workouts that you can use
00:06 to improve your health.
00:08 Be sure to consult your physician
00:10 before beginning any exercise program.
00:14 Vegetarianism is a word that often
00:16 times starts around, but not always understood.
00:17 Is it truly helpful for our health?
00:20 Find out more about it next on Body and Spirit.
00:49 Hello, I am Dick Nunez Wellness Director of
00:51 the Black Hills Health and Education Center.
00:52 Welcome to Body and Spirit.
00:54 Today, as we're going to our exercise
00:56 program. We're gonna talk about
00:57 vegetarianism, that's something that often
00:59 times greatly misunderstood and the term gets
01:01 tossed around very loosely.
01:03 I often times heard say, people say
01:05 I'm a vegetarian, I only have chicken and fish still.V
01:09 And when I checked that wasn't
01:11 considered a vegetable, but vegetarianism
01:13 has gone lot of bad press as of late
01:16 especially with all these high protein diets
01:18 and trying to diminish the importance of carbohydrates
01:20 and that's unfortunate. But carbohydrates
01:23 have gone a bad rap because they are always
01:25 linked to the same thing as far as whether
01:27 it would be simple sugars or process foods
01:30 compared to whole grains of foods and vegetables.
01:32 They are all considered the carbohydrates
01:34 and they all get lumped in the same category
01:36 and that's shouldn't be. The vegetarianism
01:38 is truly a helpful diet, I've changed to being
01:41 a vegetarian well over 20 years ago
01:42 and that has really helped my health. Now talk
01:44 more about that, as we get into our workout.
01:46 But I believe we are ready to get started and
01:48 helping me out today will be Jenny Baker
01:50 from Inveprness, Florida, where she is a
01:52 physical education teacher and Omar Mascara,
01:55 who is a massage therapist at the Black Hills
01:58 Health and Education Center.
02:00 Okay, well we're gonna warm up
02:02 a little bit here and we're gonna start out
02:04 by just doing the some arm circles
02:06 and getting our body loose and let's go up and around
02:14 about 3 more times and 1 more.
02:19 Now, let's go the other way,
02:22 I do this, I imagine I'm doing the
02:25 butterfly stroke in a swim, as I can't swim at all.
02:28 I have to have an good imagination,
02:30 3 more times. Okay, let's put our hands on our
02:35 hips and let's loosen up our legs little bit too,
02:37 we are just gonna step up, just raise our knee up
02:42 and get the blood circulating to our lower body
02:45 as well. Let's do about 5 more each side,
02:55 now we can speed it up if you want,
02:58 good we're gonna marching a little bit.
03:01 Alright, let's push our hands together
03:03 and we're gonna push across the body.
03:06 Now, we're gonna go the other way and back
03:09 and back and back. You wanna keep the shoulders square
03:13 and just use your arms. Go across,
03:16 what we're trying to do is, is we're try squeeze
03:18 the chest on each movement.
03:22 Okay, you feel on your chest Omar?
03:24 Oh! Yes, I feeling? Good, Jenny you feeling it? Okay.
03:26 Okay, the hard you push the more you're
03:30 getting out of it. Now, I like you to do
03:31 stop in the middle there for a moment
03:32 and just push hard and that's like a nice
03:34 symmetric contraction. So, I should be pulled your
03:36 hands apart, really good pretty strong,
03:38 pretty strong. Let's check Omar here, alright,
03:41 alright. They both pretty tough, okay, now let's do
03:43 some more movement. Come across and back,
03:46 keep the shoulder square and just use the arms,
03:51 good, good, good. Let's do about 10 more
03:55 each way; there is 3 and 4 and 5 and 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10
04:14 Now, let's hold it together in the middle
04:16 still. And I want you to hold that real tight,
04:18 hold that 10 more seconds, let's make sure
04:20 you stay in tight there. Very good, not a problem,
04:23 or even try you. Okay, alright and relax,
04:28 hands behind the head and we're gonna
04:31 push the elbows back as much as
04:33 possible to try and stretch the chest area that we
04:35 just worked. Okay, let's bring your arms across
04:41 the body and pull your shoulder blades apart
04:47 and backup behind the head again.
04:48 Push the elbows back and let's pull
04:56 the shoulder blades apart.
05:01 Okay, Jenny could you go get our towel for
05:03 us please. One for you,
05:11 one for you and one for me, okay.
05:12 What we're gonna do is, is we're gonna take
05:14 our towels like this and pull hard like we try
05:17 and tear in two. If it happens
05:19 well I'll be surprised, but anyhow bring it up
05:22 and come down and up and down and up
05:28 and down and up and down.
05:32 Good, keep it up okay I wanna do 30 of this.
05:39 How many we've done so far? Eight
05:40 Eight, okay, I wasn't raised a
05:45 vegetarian in fact. At one time in my life,
05:47 I used to eat 3 pounds of meat and gallon of
05:49 milk, half dozen eggs everyday. Wow. So,
05:53 well I used to look forward to eating all sorts
05:55 of different types of meat and over
05:57 20 years ago I become a vegetarian.
05:58 Haven't regretted it, how many we're on
06:02 there Jenny? Nineteen. Okay, we still have
06:05 more to go. And the very strong as I ever was,
06:08 when I eating all that meat, I could
06:10 bench press 450 pounds, 455 pound actually
06:13 and then when I become a vegetarian some
06:15 of 20 some odd years later.
06:17 I bench press 500 pounds. So, I actually
06:19 stronger on the vegetarian diet.
06:22 Twenty nine. Okay, 1 more. Thirty. Now,
06:26 we're gonna bend over the way, so
06:28 we're gonna pull it up to our abdomen
06:30 and push up. Now, when you do this,
06:32 it's important to do it slowly on the way down.
06:34 Good, Omar and push your shoulder blades out
06:37 as you do it, bend over little bit more, good.
06:40 So, you squeezing your shoulder blades together
06:42 and then pushing them way out.
06:44 Good, as I put my hands on Jenny scapula
06:49 it's pushing my fingers together and then as
06:51 she goes down. She comeback out
06:52 and that's working those muscles there in the
06:55 upper back. Now, I wanna you do 30 of these as well
06:57 Thirteen Thirteen, I felt we only done like
06:59 3 of them. Fourteen Okay. Fifteen Good,
07:03 you count in Spanish too, so we make sure we've
07:05 a little same count okay Omar.
07:08 Alright, how many is that? Twenty one. Twenty one.
07:11 Twenty two. Oh! You guys on different counts.
07:14 Okay, that's good that will make more interesting.
07:16 Alright keep the forearm, keep the forearm up,
07:19 reach out, up, reach out. Where we are at Jenny?
07:25 Thirty. Okay, now what we're done here.
07:26 We're gonna pull apart from this position,
07:28 pull and hold that steady. Now this is an
07:30 isometric contraction, isometrics
07:33 is when you have resistance with no movement
07:35 and usually what we do it called isotonic movements,
07:38 which is resistance with movement and there is also
07:41 what it called Isokinetic movements,
07:42 which are movements with the speed control,
07:44 okay good. Alright, you can stop that.
07:48 Okay. Real feeling. You call this discipline, alright
07:53 Now, we're gonna be it in this position
07:54 and pull apart again and now we're gonna press up
07:57 and bring it back down and up and down
08:00 and while we doing this. We are pulling the towel
08:02 apart, so that it should help there is a shoulder
08:06 stimulation while we are doing this.
08:09 Okay, let's do 30 of those Jenny? Ten.
08:14 Good, okay you got 20 more to go.
08:16 Let's go straight up overhead Omar,
08:18 come out at an angle little bit. Try and go
08:20 straight up, right up to the rafters up there.
08:28 One of the things that people worry about on
08:30 a vegetarian diet is B12 and B12 can
08:34 actually be picked up half of it is producing
08:36 your mouth overnight, you can just rinse your mouth
08:38 for a while. Because the bacteria is producing
08:40 the amount overnight, but too often what people do
08:42 is they take a mouthwash or something, which
08:44 is an antibacterial agent and it destroys
08:46 the bacteria that's producing the B12
08:48 in the mouth overnight.
08:50 Thirty Okay, 30. Okay, now we're gonna do
08:52 starting to feel that already. Okay. Oh! Yes.
08:54 Now we're gonna raise up again like this,
08:57 using the towel corner part and we're gonna do 30
09:01 of those. And actually the term vegetarianism
09:09 has several different terms You heard the term
09:11 Vegan and the Vegan vegetarian is actually
09:14 somebody who totally abstains from animal
09:16 products and we're talking about no leather
09:19 shoes, no leather belt or whatever.
09:20 I'm not a Vegan because I still wear a leather
09:23 shoes occasionally and have a leather belt.
09:25 But I'm a total vegetarian,
09:26 so in the term Vegan gets use.
09:29 It's usually used in the terms of total vegetarian,
09:32 but it's not always the case the total vegetarian
09:34 is not necessary Vegan, but the Vegan is
09:36 gonna be a total vegetarian. Okay,
09:39 How many we got there? Twenty three Twenty four
09:42 Okay and we've what's also called ovo-lacto
09:47 vegetarians, those people still taking milk and eggs
09:52 Thirty. Alright, very good feel in that
09:55 little bit already. Yes Now, I'm going to take
09:56 the towel. Now, I like you do is, do the
09:58 shoulder stretch, where you put the arm up over
10:00 the head and get hold of your elbow.
10:01 There you go and we're gonna hold that
10:06 for about 15 seconds whenever you're doing a stretch
10:08 don't pull too hard, make it a comfortable stretch
10:12 and make sure you keep your breathing going.
10:14 Don't hold your breathe at all
10:16 because that will lead to a Valsalva maneuver, which
10:18 is intrathoracic and intracranial pressure that
10:20 we don't want. Alright, let's go ahead
10:23 and switch it around.
10:26 And some of the health benefits
10:29 they find with the people in our country
10:32 have about a 42 percent chance to getting some
10:34 type of cancer in their life.
10:36 If you become ovo-lacto vegetarian
10:37 that drops down to 32 percent,
10:39 but if we go to total vegetarian it drops
10:42 down to 2 to 3 percent So, you can go
10:44 from 42 down to 32 Jenny or you can go all the way down
10:46 to 2, I'm putting it what you wanna do.
10:49 Okay, let's go ahead and relax.
10:51 Alright, now, we wanna stretch the
10:53 shoulder area by reaching across
10:57 and putting the hand in behind the elbow
10:59 and pull across. Often times, I think it's
11:04 interesting when people say to me.
11:06 Yeah, if we're gonna vegetarian diet.
11:07 You're gonna waste the way to nothing,
11:08 well hasn't happen yet and well I was on
11:11 a vegetarian diet, I actually got up
11:13 to 292 pounds. When, I was bench pressing
11:15 to 500, which is more the weight,
11:17 when I was eating all that meat.
11:18 Okay, let's switch sides.
11:19 My diet was so bad Omar; do you know what
11:22 M&M are and all that kind of stuff,
11:24 all those candy. My mother used to buy
11:26 a 1 pound Hershey bar, 1 pound
11:28 Nestle crunch bar and bake a kid cereal pops
11:30 every Friday and eat the whole thing on
11:32 Friday. Oh, me. Oh! Yes. Wow! That's why I
11:35 don't have quite as a big and bright smile
11:42 as you have. Okay, relax. Let's go and take your
11:43 towel again. Now, we're gonna work the biceps
11:44 and what we're gonna do that is drape it
11:46 over the thumb side. Get a hold of our
11:48 towel underneath, we're gonna curl our
11:50 arm up and we're gonna pull it down
11:52 and curl up and down and you may need to
11:55 put your arm out to about the 45 degree angle
11:58 and now let's you get a full extension.
12:01 As you wanna get all the way down and use yourself
12:05 to give resistance on the way up.
12:07 How many we're done there Jenny?
12:08 Nine. Nine, okay. Let's get the 20
12:12 of these and there is 12 and 13 and 14,
12:19 15, 16, 17, 3 more 18, 2 more 19, 20. Good,
12:30 switch over, okay and let's curl.
12:36 Omar are you vegetarian? Vegan.
12:38 Okay, so you don't have the leather shoes
12:40 or anything ha? No. Okay, so you totally Vegan, okay
12:44 How long you been doing that? Well, I'll be
12:48 completed totally in 1991. 91, okay.
12:51 But I'm Vegan maybe the last two years in my life.
12:55 How many we got there Jenny? Sixteen.
12:58 Okay and 1 more time good. Okay, shake
13:05 the arms out, Jenny are you vegetarian.
13:07 Yes. How long you've been vegetarian?
13:10 Past 26 years. Wow! So do I,
13:14 okay now we're gonna take our towel
13:16 and we're gonna bring our elbow out
13:19 and we're gonna push out like that.
13:20 Give yourself enough slack, where you can get
13:23 your arm fully extended out.
13:27 Keep your elbow up the whole time
13:28 and just push out with the tricep.
13:29 Keep your elbow one spot the whole time.
13:32 There you go don't punch me in the nose Omar.
13:36 I need help. Okay keep going reach way out,
13:42 it will be fine. Okay, let's do 10 more
13:49 1 and 2, very good and 3 and 4.
13:56 Make yourself work on the way back too Jenny.
13:58 Six. Like that. That's right and 8, 9, 1 more 10.
14:07 Okay, now we're gonna switch around,
14:11 which makes it tough because we have to get
14:12 the coordination down again, so have your
14:14 left arm in. Okay, now we're just gonna push
14:18 it out and draw it back, push it out, draw it back,
14:22 push it out, draw it back, push out, draw back,
14:26 push out. I see, how we're doing back there good.
14:33 Great, Omar that's looking much better.
14:34 Make it work both ways, we should feel that
14:37 muscle being tight. The whole time, the whole time
14:40 it should be tight. There you go, you fall off the edge
14:43 of the platform now. Okay. Keep that elbow up.
14:46 Yeah. You feel that Omar. Yes, I
14:50 feel it. Good, good.
14:57 Where we at, how many of you got there?
14:59 Oh! Sixteen. Okay, okay, keep it tight.
15:03 Yeah. Good, good, good 20. Okay. It's amazing, we
15:12 can do with towel. Very good, yes towels can be very
15:14 effective workout tools Alright, we're gonna warm
15:18 up our legs now, we're gonna do that by
15:20 stepping out to the side and we're gonna
15:22 stretch the inside of the thigh and then we're gonna
15:25 rock across the other way and back across.
15:29 Keep your chest up and back and back and back
15:37 and back and back. Good, we do 5 more each way.
15:46 There is 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5.
15:59 Good, now we're gonna do some lunges
16:02 and the way we do that, as we step back
16:04 here and we're gonna step out.
16:05 We're gonna make sure, we keep our knee
16:07 over out foot. We're not get it let
16:10 shoot forward at all. We wanna keep the
16:11 chest up, as we comedown and push back
16:14 and then switch the other foot.
16:16 Good, you can go down little deeper if you
16:20 can there Omar. Good, slow it down
16:23 little bit, okay, we're gonna try and do 20 on each
16:26 side there Jenny. I think this is number 4.
16:29 Some people ask me don't you have miss,
16:31 miss eating meat. Well, I used to love eating
16:34 meat one time I went to the Falls
16:35 Terrace Restaurant in Olympia, Washington
16:36 and I order the Bella pasta, which is the
16:38 biggest New York think to have 18 ounce.
16:41 I had all my stake, part of my mom stake,
16:44 part of my sister stake.
16:45 I had two salads, two baked potatoes
16:48 and for desert I had 3 burn cranes
16:51 which is a custard dish with the brown sugar,
16:53 glaze on top and I stopped eating Omar
16:55 because I don't like it too full.
16:56 So, I know beside to eat a lot
16:59 and eat a lot of the wrong type of food.
17:01 Like I said, I've been a vegetarian out
17:04 for over 20 years. I never regretted it,
17:06 I enjoy eating now more then ever did before.
17:08 Where we're at Jenny?
17:10 Sixteen. In fact when I was in college
17:13 and I was eating all that meat. I had high
17:15 cholesterol; I had high blood pressure
17:17 and my hair start falling out.
17:19 When I changed my diet, my blood sugar
17:22 went down. My blood pressure went down, my cholesterol
17:25 went down and my hair didn't go back.
17:27 Oh! Well. Twenty If you had a force not bad.
17:31 Okay, now we're gonna do some squats cross
17:35 your arms, cross your chest.
17:36 We're gonna squat down and come up
17:39 and squat down and back up and squat down and up
17:44 and down and up. We're gonna do 20 of those,
17:48 there is number 5 and number 6 and number 7.
17:55 Same principle applies here.
17:58 Don't let your knees jet out over your feet,
18:00 keep your chest up. If you can't go down
18:02 little deep, now it's fine You can keep somewhat
18:06 shorter squats, you can hang on to a door
18:08 or whatever you need to do to help yourself up
18:10 if you need to. How many we got there Jenny?
18:16 Seventeen. Okay, good let's go down and hold.
18:24 We're gonna hold that for 10 seconds,
18:26 often times doing a static hold
18:29 at the end of an exercise It's the good way
18:31 to finish off. Good workout, good. Alright,
18:37 let's go and rest. Now, what I want you to do.
18:38 Let's put hand on my shoulder we're gonna stretch
18:40 your quadriceps. Let's get hold of your ankle
18:42 and stretch. Okay, we're gonna hold
18:47 that stretch for about 15 seconds.
18:50 Can you feel that in your thigh?
18:52 Yeah. How are you, you feeling that? Oh! Yes.
18:54 Okay Very good. Very good, alright,
18:59 okay 5 more seconds 4, 3, 2, and 1. Now
19:04 switch. When you doing this stretch, always as you
19:09 can do is get your pan leg. That's okay,
19:11 just keep working on and you will find
19:13 that you will get better and better out
19:14 of the more you do it. Okay, we got 5
19:19 more seconds here 4, 3, 2, 1. Okay,
19:25 let's step out. We're gonna stretch the hamstring
19:29 as we come forward here and hold that steady
19:35 I have done a lot of research on vegetarians,
19:40 if you have a good balance of beans and
19:43 rice in your diet and lots of vegetables and so forth.
19:46 You're not can have any problem with protein,
19:47 let switch over. In fact given back in the 50's,
19:50 Dr. Rose did a test, where he took 3000 calories
19:53 of nothing, but broccoli or nothing but oat meal
19:55 or nothing but corn or nothing but tomatoes
19:58 or nothing but pumpkin, nothing but asparagus
20:01 and he found that if you had just 3000 calories
20:03 of just these one food You would still have
20:05 all the essential amino acids. So, you really work
20:07 quite balance, okay come down and back here.
20:13 Get your toes off the edge.
20:16 Oh! Yeah. And get hold on tight ha,
20:18 okay I want you do 30 of those
20:20 up and down. Okay, let's slowly down little bit
20:24 So, you get together there, I don't want
20:26 you to pull me off the platform here.
20:30 Dr. Rose's research has been used quite a bit,
20:32 where they start using in fact they also
20:35 put in there a beef club stake, they put in milk,
20:38 they put in eggs and the one that had the
20:40 highest protein of any of those foods.
20:42 You know it was broccoli, the broccoli
20:45 was higher then milk, higher then beef club stake,
20:47 higher then eggs and the number 2 Omar
20:50 was the asparagus.
20:51 Oh! Really. Yes. Yeah. And I think finally.
20:56 Nine, Ten Okay, good, okay let's stretch the calf
21:00 out now. We're gonna step back, press the heel
21:03 to the ground. I think coming in 3rd place was
21:09 the beef club stake. But both broccoli
21:13 and asparagus were actually higher
21:14 in protein then the three animal products.
21:19 Okay and switch, the other thing about
21:22 vegetarian protein it is in high in the sulphuric
21:25 amino acids like metathione So, it's much
21:27 more beneficial for the body and you don't
21:30 have so many amino acids competing
21:31 to get to the brain. So, what happened, as
21:33 you're gonna vegetarian diet you get more
21:35 tryptophan going to your brain, which produces more
21:37 serotonin, which produces more melatonin
21:40 and guess what. You know, as depressed anymore
21:42 So lots of good benefits from that, okay good
21:46 Now what we're gonna do is we're gonna workout
21:48 forearms little bit. We're gonna reach out,
21:50 put the hands and we just gonna grab,
21:52 like we are grabbing something there
21:54 and we're gonna do it 20 times.
21:56 There is 5 and 6, open the fingers way out
22:01 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
22:12 Turn them up, up and let's do it again and we
22:15 do 20 again 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15,
22:28 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Turn them back over
22:33 squeeze and squeeze and 3 and 4, 5, 6,
22:39 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
22:53 Turn them over 1 and 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,
22:59 7, 8, 9, 10 more, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10
23:13 Oh! You feel that? Yes. Okay, we just gonna
23:16 take the hand like that, we're gonna stretch out on
23:19 our fingers. That's an excellent one for your wrist
23:23 or if you are experiencing things like tennis elbow
23:25 Because when you are squeezing your arm, even
23:28 though you're squeezing your hand you see, which
23:29 muscles are jumping into action there. That's right in
23:32 here forearm area and so as you do that this bring an
23:35 oxygenated blood into that area and taking waste by
23:37 product out and that will extenuate the healing
23:39 process of tendon injuries like tennis elbow
23:43 Okay good, okay, let's do some abdominal work,
23:46 we can put our hands behind our back, you are gonna
23:48 contract your abdomen. We're gonna bend over and
23:51 we're gonna come up. We're gonna lean back,
23:53 we're gonna contract, go, over, up, and back.
23:57 Contract, over, up and back Contract, over, up and back
24:06 Contract, over, up and back Contract, over, up and back
24:14 Contract, over, up and back We're gonna 10 more.
24:21 There is 1 and 2 and 3 and 4, 5, 6 and 7 and 8 and 9
24:52 and 10 good. Now, we're gonna stretch to the side,
24:58 hold your stretch, hold, for 10 more seconds 1,
25:06 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and switch other way and reach
25:21 and hold, 10 more seconds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,
25:31 7, 8, 9, and 10. Let's rotate the trunk
25:38 and turn, and turn, and turn, and turn, and turn
25:51 Okay, very good well done.
25:56 In my career, I've talked to lot of people, who will
25:59 become vegetarians after spending longer time
26:01 eating meat. But, very small of them you will find a
26:03 vegetarian, who goes back to eating meat.
26:06 Although, you do get a feel that might slip, slip behind
26:08 every once in a while. By enlarge when people switch
26:11 over they feel so much better Now, if somebody does
26:14 have a concern with B12. Soon, I would encourage
26:16 you to take some and there are many experts out there
26:18 who do feel, we do need to get extra amount of B12
26:21 in our diet each day. But, also keep in mind that we
26:24 do produce that in our mouth and by taking it in
26:27 our foods is naturally is possible and some people
26:29 feel would the God made a mistake in creating us that
26:32 we would need to get B12, but you see once upon a
26:35 time when we grow and produce and we pull it out
26:37 in the garden, we might knock the dirt off of it and
26:40 chop into a very nice carrot But, nowadays, when we
26:43 buy carrots they've been super scrubbed and that
26:45 super scrubbing process will element some of the
26:48 vitamins that we do get in So, when you look at
26:51 vegetarianism, the main concern should not be how
26:54 much protein you get because truly
26:56 we get more then enough In fact the World Health
26:58 Organization only recommends 29 to 37
27:02 grams of protein a day Well the average American
27:04 is up around 100 to 145 grams, so we get way more
27:08 protein that we need and eating a vegetarian diet
27:11 You will not have any problem being protein
27:12 deficient, you might have to be concerned about calories
27:15 because what you find when you eat a vegetarian diet
27:18 You can eat a lot of food and not gain weight
27:21 because the food is much more bulky, you get lot
27:25 more starch in there and so another word you get filled
27:27 up without the concentration of calories,
27:30 so you actually might find you have to eat little more
27:32 by eating a vegetarian diet and that's why we say often
27:35 times that if you eat properly, you can truly eat
27:38 more and weigh less. But, don't do it just for that
27:40 reason do it for the glory of God. Philippians 4:13
27:44 says, I can do all things through Christ, who
27:46 strengthens me. And yes he will strengthen you to
27:49 eat properly as well. God bless you and
27:52 I'll look forward to seeing you next time.


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