Country Wisdom

Judgement and Hell

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00:22 It's found in Proverbs 4,
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00:27 "and your gaze be straight before you.
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01:00 - Ever seen a real dragon?
01:02 Silly question, dragons don't roam the earth.
01:07 I wouldn't be too sure about that.
01:09 Stay tuned to find out why
01:42 - Jesus said today is the day of salvation.
01:45 Choose him today.
01:47 But if you don't, He's reserved hell fire
01:49 and brimstone for you.
01:51 He's reserved the Lake of fire for you.
01:53 Not for just a few years not just 10,000 years,
01:56 but for an eternity.
01:57 Young lady, you need to accept Jesus Christ today.
02:00 He loves you.
02:01 But for those that don't love him, you'll burn forever.
02:04 It's time today, I say you Him.
02:07 It is time to accept the love of Jesus Christ.
02:09 If you don't, he's going to toast you for eternity.
02:11 - Jim, what are you doing?
02:13 - I'm lying to everybody.
02:14 - I know, why?
02:16 - Well, because what these hell fire brimstone preachers
02:19 are preaching isn't the truth.
02:21 It isn't God's word it.
02:22 Isn't the love of God.
02:23 Hold my Bible.
02:24 I went through and searched out a few of these quotes
02:27 from hell fire brimstone preachers, listen to this.
02:29 "What will it be like for a mother in heaven
02:31 "who sees her son burning in hell?
02:33 "She will glory in the justice of God."
02:35 Can you imagine that?
02:36 How would you as a mother feel?
02:38 - I wouldn't be glorying in anything
02:40 - Listen, love and pity for hell's occupants
02:42 will not enter our hearts.
02:44 So you're gonna see them burning forever
02:46 and it's not going to enter our hearts.
02:48 - It won't even affect us.
02:49 - Won't even affect us.
02:49 - No compassion?
02:51 - You know, Isaac Watts, listen to what he said,
02:53 " What bliss will fill the ransom souls
02:55 " when they in glory dwell to see the sinner
02:57 " as he rolls in quenchless flames of hell."
03:00 - It does not sound like bliss.
03:02 - That's not bliss at all that that's horribleness.
03:05 Here's another one.
03:06 " Therefore the elect shall go forth
03:07 " to see the torments of the impious,
03:10 "seeing which they will not be grieved,
03:12 "but will be satiated with joy at the sight
03:15 " of the unutterable calamity of the impious."
03:18 - That's ridiculous.
03:19 - Yeah, it's absolutely horrible.
03:21 The blessed will see their friends
03:23 and relations among the damned as often as they like,
03:27 but without the least of compassion.
03:31 - How can anybody believe that this God
03:34 the God of the Bible is that kind of God,
03:36 He creates you.
03:38 He lovingly fashioned you.
03:40 He comes and dies for you, that you might have eternal life
03:43 and then these preachers are saying
03:45 but God's going to toast you for eternity.
03:48 - Where did those ideas come from?
03:50 - From the devil
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05:04 - Did you know that Satan is a liar?
05:07 Yes, he is a liar.
05:09 He would like you to think that he runs around
05:11 in a red suit with horns and a pitchfork
05:14 so you can easily detect him if he is near,
05:16 but that just isn't the case.
05:18 He actually is sneaky, deceptive, manipulative tricky,
05:23 and can take on many forms to deceive you.
05:26 He would also like you to believe
05:28 that God roasts people in an everlasting hell.
05:31 Well that absolutely isn't the truth
05:34 Can you imagine the God of the universe,
05:37 our Savior, our Creator taking pleasure
05:40 in roasting people in an eternal hell?
05:43 I sure can't.
05:44 Jesus loves you.
05:46 He demonstrated that love when He died on the cross for you.
05:49 The very character of God is love, compassion
05:53 and freedom of choice.
05:55 Who will you choose to believe today?
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06:04 God may be kinder than you think.
06:06 And you will learn the true story.
06:14 - Jim, you said that the idea for an
06:17 everlasting burning hell where God is torturing sinners
06:23 for eternity, came from the devil.
06:24 And that's very true.
06:26 Most people, when they imagine the devil,
06:29 they think of that creature, red horns and all,
06:32 or something like this.
06:35 And it's true.
06:36 The Bible refers to Satan as a dragon,
06:40 but he never appears like that.
06:42 If he did we'd run screaming
06:43 because we would know that is dangerous.
06:46 And instead he cloaks himself in something
06:49 that looks perfectly harmless
06:51 and before we know it
06:53 we're listening to him
06:54 - That's right
06:55 - And his ideas are intriguing.
06:56 They start to make sense.
06:58 And some of them, we never questioned.
07:00 like would a God of love and mercy burn me in hell forever?
07:08 - Well, we've got to understand is basically
07:10 I think you said sometime a little earlier
07:13 Jesus is a dragon slayer.
07:15 That's what we need to understand.
07:16 That's where we need to flee to Him.
07:18 That's our only safety
07:20 - Because no dragon can stand up to him not even the dragon
07:31 - That dragon we just saw is quite the attraction
07:35 People driving by on the freeway can't help, but notice it.
07:39 And I've often thought
07:40 Oh, that the real dragon were that obvious.
07:45 - Oh yeah but he isn't
07:46 - No, the real dragon is not just a cute attraction.
07:49 - He really isn't.
07:51 The thing is he has such a liar, an absolute liar.
07:56 It started all the way back well, in heaven.
07:58 We'd talked about that I think in another episode
08:01 of what a liar he is.
08:02 Drew a third of the angels with him.
08:05 Gets down here to planet earth.
08:07 Matter of fact, we take it up in chapter three of Genesis.
08:10 God basically said to Adam and Eve,
08:13 look there's a little test here for you.
08:16 I need to know if you're going to be loyal to me.
08:18 It's your choice but there's a place out in the garden
08:22 that just don't go near this particular tree.
08:26 It's the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
08:28 If you see it, stay away from it.
08:30 Well, Eve wanders up toward that tree.
08:33 She sees this beautiful serpent
08:35 in the tree and this serpent speaks in a human voice.
08:38 Basically the devil had possessed this serpent.
08:42 And they start in this conversation
08:44 and the conversation goes like this.
08:47 The serpent, God had told Eve the day you eat that fruit,
08:50 you will die.
08:52 That's pretty plain, isn't it?
08:55 You're gonna die.
08:56 But then the devil says,
08:58 " And the serpent said to the woman,
09:00 "you shall not surely die "
09:04 Two choices either you're going to die
09:07 or you're not going to die.
09:09 - He says just the opposite.
09:10 In fact, he started out with a question.
09:13 Did God really say that if you ate this you'd die?
09:17 - Put just a little doubt in your mind,
09:20 - Like, wait a minute.
09:21 Is that what he said?
09:23 Which should have, it should have been obvious.
09:25 God made no bones about it.
09:28 Eat the fruit, you'll die.
09:29 Should have been the end of the story.
09:31 - Janice, maybe you can help me out to understand
09:34 where people get this.
09:35 God says, the day you eat the fruit
09:37 you're going to die, plain and simple.
09:39 You're going to die.
09:41 Now it didn't happen all at once.
09:43 It was over a timeframe.
09:45 He didn't strike them dead.
09:46 They were just over time begin to die
09:48 - But the process of death began at that moment
09:50 - Began right then.
09:51 The devil says, no, you'll surely not die.
09:54 And where do we get that in mortality of humanity,
10:00 of human beings?
10:01 Where does that come from in this text?
10:02 - Right there because he has implanted the idea
10:06 that death really doesn't exist.
10:09 It's just life in a different form.
10:13 And God said, there's this consequence.
10:16 And it's a big, bad consequence.
10:19 And we've been told that, Oh, it's not quite like that.
10:23 - I can see it as our street preaching was earlier.
10:27 Look, it's all based upon this right here.
10:29 If you don't have, if you believe the devil in this text
10:33 then, okay, maybe you could burn forever
10:36 because you just go on and on you'll never die.
10:39 But if you believe what God says,
10:41 there is no way you're gonna burn forever.
10:44 Even if that was something God said, and it isn't.
10:47 Let me give you another text here
10:49 that will shed a little more light on it.
10:51 2nd Thessalonians, it's a chapter one in verse nine.
10:56 It talks about God and punishment.
10:59 It says
11:01 " Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction
11:03 " from the presence of the Lord
11:05 " and from the glory of His power."
11:07 - I think we've latched onto the everlasting
11:09 and not the fact that it's everlasting destruction.
11:13 There's no coming back from that.
11:14 - Yeah, no, let's set it up here a little bit
11:17 because basically God says look,
11:18 I can't just go on with all this sin forever
11:21 because Adam and he blew it,
11:23 a lot of the descendants have been blowing it.
11:25 we all blow it.
11:26 But he says, I have got to put an end to this
11:28 at some time we've got to get back to the perfect heaven
11:31 that I created for you in the beginning,
11:33 we've gotta get back there.
11:34 We've got to get back to it.
11:36 Adam and Eve can be restored to Prince and princess
11:39 and all of us be restored into the Royal family.
11:42 But you can't do that
11:43 if you've got everybody else running around
11:46 sinning, not believing God, not wanting God at all
11:48 not wanting any part of the kingdom.
11:51 At some point he says, I'm just got out of love
11:53 I got to put an end to it.
11:56 So He says, here, we shall be punished
11:57 with an everlasting destruction and you just nailed it.
12:00 Everlasting destruction.
12:02 If I go out and I destroy something,
12:05 how far is it destroyed?
12:08 - And if God destroys it, it's not ever bouncing back.
12:11 - Yeah, it's everlasting.
12:13 It's sealed it's done it's final, right?
12:17 It's kind of like in scripture I think so many folks
12:23 don't take all the scriptures together.
12:24 It's kind of like, do you ever play a play with puzzles?
12:27 Maybe that's something I shouldn't ask you.
12:28 (chuckles)
12:29 - No, I love puzzles
12:30 - Yeah, we get those once in a while
12:32 for Christmas time and friends get together
12:34 and 1000 piece puzzles, 1500 piece puzzle.
12:37 What's the first thing you do/
12:39 - Well you pour all the pieces out of the box
12:42 and then you start turning them over
12:45 so that they're all facing up.
12:46 And then I don't know what your method is,
12:48 but I'm looking
12:50 for the four corner pieces and then all the edge pieces.
12:53 And then I start filling it from there.
12:55 - Pretty soon you fill it in.
12:56 You never stop, do you?
12:58 And say nope, it's all finished.
12:59 Okay I know what this piece is over here.
13:01 And I've got a full idea of all this over here.
13:05 It doesn't happen until you've got
13:07 the whole thing completed.
13:08 And I think that's the way it is with the Bible.
13:10 If you wanna know about immortality of the soul and hell
13:15 you flip all the pieces over and begin looking
13:18 at all the pieces and fitting all the pieces together
13:21 because well, what's an old saying someone says,
13:25 and so someone committed suicide killed themselves
13:29 and another text says going ye and do likewise
13:32 - Putting two pieces together that weren't meant to fit.
13:35 - They weren't enough to fit.
13:36 You've got to fit all the other parts together with it.
13:40 - Sometimes I think people don't examine
13:44 where they've gotten the ideas that they have.
13:47 They've been passed down.
13:48 They're so common.
13:49 They're in so many religions,
13:53 it's in every cathedral, old cathedral that you go to,
13:57 you see the stained-glass pictures of the fires of hell.
14:04 And I think we just don't look at why do I believe that
14:07 and does that match going back to your puzzle analogy,
14:12 the first thing I do is prop up the picture on the box
14:15 so that I am following the there's the finished product.
14:19 So I can tell if I've gotten those together in the right
14:23 - You gave me the perfect thing
14:25 - I did?
14:26 That's a score I don't do that very often.
14:27 - You turn up the picture
14:28 What is the total picture of the Bible?
14:30 It's Jesus, right?
14:32 It's Jesus love.
14:34 And so when you flip up that picture
14:36 you start putting the puzzle together,
14:40 it's all about Jesus love.
14:41 If you get something over here that doesn't seem
14:44 like it fits with Jesus' love, then you've got to
14:47 figure out why and how it all fits better.
14:51 You were on a roll I didn't wanna interrupt,
14:52 but it was just, you said that so perfectly.
14:54 I just had to get that in because
14:56 that's really what we're doing.
14:58 We're putting a puzzle together.
15:00 It's God's love.
15:02 It's the picture of Jesus Christ who gave everything for us.
15:05 Devil said, no, no, no, no you can't believe Him.
15:09 Well, wait a second.
15:10 This is the guy that caused the sickness,
15:12 then pain and suffering and disease
15:15 and the list goes on and on.
15:16 And that's who you wanna believe.
15:19 - No, you've got to look at whatever puzzle piece
15:21 that you're examining and think, how does that
15:24 fit into the picture of who God is.
15:27 - Yeah, yeah
15:29 - Does it fit in to the picture of who God really is?
15:32 Who the rest of scripture is trying to describe to us.
15:36 And if it's not fitting, you have to toss it out.
15:39 It may have come from a different puzzle.
15:42 - There you go
15:43 - It may not go to this set
15:45 - Or it fits in a different corner of the puzzle somehow.
15:47 Let me read another one to you in Jude,
15:50 what am I looking for?
15:51 Verse seven yeah.
15:54 " Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them
15:57 " in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication
15:59 " and going after strange flesh, are set forth for
16:02 " an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
16:07 God didn't like what they were doing at all.
16:08 They were really messing up big time.
16:10 They weren't following anything in the normal line
16:15 of of what God says, humanity should be doing.
16:18 And He says causes fire and brimstone to rain upon them.
16:25 And what it says, it's eternal.
16:27 Now, Terry and I have filmed together,
16:30 many places of the world.
16:32 We were at Sodom and Gomorrah, the Dead Sea
16:36 guess how much fire we saw
16:38 - I'm guessing none
16:40 - Exactly, not a bit of fire.
16:43 It's eternal fire, but why would we call it eternal fire?
16:47 If it fits into the puzzle
16:48 - It is just a little bit confusing.
16:50 - Yeah, but what do you think?
16:52 If it fits into the whole puzzle
16:54 how does eternal fire fit into all of this?
16:58 - The effects were eternal, not the literal fire.
17:02 - Yeah, exactly exactly.
17:07 He burned everything up until
17:11 He didn't need to burn it anymore
17:13 - Until there was nothing left to burn.
17:14 - Just nothing left to burn, yeah.
17:16 Now I just happened to have a couple pieces
17:19 of brimstone here.
17:20 - I saw those
17:21 - I just happened to set these up early.
17:24 This one is already been burned.
17:27 It's totally been burned up.
17:28 And I don't know if it's gonna work,
17:30 but yeah go ahead grab a hold of that.
17:31 - It's gotta be safe to touch, you're doing it
17:33 - It is
17:34 and then I've got another one that hasn't been burned
17:37 and you say well, why does one already burned
17:40 and the other one isn't...
17:40 - Do I need to back up?
17:42 - Okay.
17:43 - No, I mean, literally back.
17:45 - No, no, no,
17:46 - I'm not that fond of fire.
17:47 - Lets see if I can get this thing going
17:49 - I'd make a lousy fireman.
17:52 - And like I say, this may or may not work.
17:55 I got to get a spark going on it.
17:57 There we go, let's try it again here.
18:01 But the key is, I've seen some of this burn
18:03 and there is some that was never burned up.
18:06 And you say, well, why then did burn up?
18:08 - Its smoking
18:09 - Because everything God did.
18:11 - Oh, I can smell it.
18:12 - Yeah it's sulfur
18:15 because the Bible said on Sodom and Gomorrah
18:17 it rained fire and brimstone.
18:20 This is the brimstone, fiery brimstone.
18:23 And He basically burned everything up
18:25 including everybody there who didn't listen to Him.
18:28 And let's see if it's, it's gone a little bit on the side
18:31 but it's kind of too bright out today to see it
18:35 At nighttime it really glows.
18:38 And yeah, I definitely don't wanna get in it
18:41 because the the sulfur smell is just powerful powerful
18:48 Anyway, we'll let that go.
18:50 - Where did you find brimstone?
18:51 - That's from the Dead Sea
18:54 - Really?
18:55 - Right where Sodom and Gomorrah used to be.
18:57 It was once, there no longer because
19:00 - So the eternal fire, obviously still isn't there.
19:04 So eternal cannot mean what we sometimes just assume
19:08 it means
19:09 - Exactly.
19:11 - Eternal fire you would think was still burning
19:12 and people understandably can get confused
19:17 because if you just look at one or two scriptures
19:20 of that one and then the one that talks about the wicked
19:23 and saying the smoke of their torment will rise forever
19:26 and ever you can understand how it's easy enough
19:30 once Satan plants the idea in you
19:33 that you're going, Oh yeah God will torture us forever.
19:37 - Just think about smoke.
19:39 Smoke of their torment arises forever.
19:41 That smoke is going up and up and up.
19:43 It never eradicates every molecule.
19:46 So how long does it continue?
19:48 Forever, right?
19:50 The smoke continues forever and ever.
19:52 - Now you're gonna make me think about chemistry?
19:54 - Think about it a little bit
19:55 - I was an English major.
19:57 - Anyway, I know we've kind of got to finish
19:59 we've got some other places to go and things to do.
20:01 - I think the important thing here is God's character.
20:06 That big picture.
20:08 What is this whole Bible telling us about God?
20:11 And does it fit to imagine him torturing people forever?
20:17 - Exactly, exactly.
20:19 - No, it just doesn't
20:21 I was going to say, even the Quran says
20:23 that Saddam was destroyed.
20:25 Bible says it, Quran says it.
20:27 We need to believe it, destroyed.
20:29 Not continuing on, how could a loving God,
20:32 and we're gonna be talking about this more,
20:34 but how could a loving God who came down and died for us
20:38 ever want to continue to have us burn forever?
20:41 Doesn't work.
20:43 - Even our little human brains recognize that's not fair.
20:46 - Yeah but there's much more to come here.
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21:53 - Did you know that Satan is a liar?
21:56 Yes he is a liar.
21:57 He would like you to think that he runs around
22:00 in a red suit with horns and a pitchfork.
22:02 So you can easily detect him if he is near,
22:05 but that just isn't the case.
22:07 He would also like you to believe
22:08 that God roasts people in an everlasting hell.
22:12 Well, that absolutely isn't the truth.
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22:27 (somber music)
22:47 - You know Janice there was
22:48 at a gas station, maybe somewhat like this
22:50 and many more in the Washington DC area.
22:54 Some years ago, 17-year old, young man and another man
22:58 John Muhamad, they got this bright idea
23:02 that they were going to go out and kill some people.
23:05 So they cut a hole in the trunk of a car
23:08 big enough so they could have their high powered rifle
23:11 and they could lay down through the car
23:13 and they can shoot people at the gas station.
23:16 I don't know if you remember that.
23:17 - I do.
23:19 And I remember being more worried than you think
23:21 someone in California would be, but that's because my sister
23:24 and nephew lived in DC
23:27 - And I didn't live in DC at the time
23:28 but little time later and I got to tell you
23:31 when I was gassing up my car,
23:33 there were many times I thought about that.
23:35 Absolutely scary.
23:37 They ended up killing 10 people, 10 people.
23:40 And it was, I think in 2012, finally that John Muhamad
23:45 got the death sentence and was killed.
23:49 The other young man wasn't old enough at the time
23:52 of the crime so he's still alive.
23:54 But I think about that they killed 10 people.
23:59 - I think of is, we think about judgment
24:03 because all of us will be judged at some point.
24:07 But if you have bought into the eternal hell idea,
24:14 you have to think all right,
24:16 Cain the very first murderer killed one person.
24:22 So he has had 6,000 more years of punishment than this guy?
24:29 That doesn't seem fair.
24:31 You could ask a six year old
24:32 and they'd tell you that wasn't fair.
24:34 We have this innate sense where we know that isn't justice.
24:38 - Exactly
24:40 - So how can a just God get accused of something like that?
24:43 - We would say as cruel and unusual punishment
24:47 As little humans would say that.
24:49 Matter of fact, I heard some time ago
24:51 that in the death penalty
24:52 they now didn't want people to receive injections
24:55 for the death penalty because that prick in the skin
24:58 would be cruel and unusual punishment.
25:00 - And yet we think God is crueler than we are.
25:04 - Oh, far crueler.
25:05 Can you imagine
25:07 I mean, you know what we talked about earlier
25:09 about what people say the hell fire and brimstone people,
25:12 it's absolutely inconceivable
25:14 that you could believe a God who came down to this world
25:17 and laid his life out for us and took the
25:22 the chance that he would no longer be God
25:25 the way He did this whole thing to pull it off,
25:28 there was an opportunity He would no longer be God,
25:31 He would be dead for eternity.
25:33 I mean that's how much He risked
25:35 because He loves us so much.
25:37 - And would that kind of God take any kind of joy
25:40 in torturing people?
25:42 But that's not to say there isn't a judgment.
25:47 - Very true.
25:48 Matter of fact, the Bible talks about that at the end,
25:51 there is a judgment.
25:52 Everybody is gathered together at this final
25:55 From the beginning of time, everybody is there
25:59 and God has judged everybody.
26:01 Those that love him are all together with God.
26:03 Those that don't are all looking on as it were.
26:07 And finally, everybody says true and just Lord,
26:12 true and just are your judgments,
26:15 but they don't wanna change.
26:16 Their hearts are still set.
26:18 They're still against God.
26:20 And God finally it calls His strange act.
26:23 He calls fire down from heaven, reigns fire down
26:26 and destroys all the wicked for time and eternity.
26:29 Every semblance sin, every evil thing that ever
26:34 was here on planet earth, it's gone.
26:37 - There's a verse that says
26:38 that we'll even go look for the wicked
26:42 and they can't be found.
26:43 That they're burned every root and branch.
26:46 They're gone, ashes under our feet,
26:49 not burning forever and ever.
26:53 - Friends God says that He wishes we'd come to Him
26:57 because He loves us.
26:59 He's done absolutely everything
27:01 Janice, I can't even imagine anything else God could ever do
27:04 to call us to His side, to call you.
27:09 It's a lie.
27:10 It's a lie.
27:11 It's a lie that the devil says
27:12 that God is gonna burn you in hell forever.
27:15 Not gonna happen.
27:16 But God says, there will be a moment,
27:19 as Janice said here, there will be a judgment time
27:22 but who wants to be on that side?
27:23 You don't need to be.
27:25 You don't need to be on that side.
27:27 You can be on God's side,
27:29 in His loving arms for all eternity.
27:31 Matter of fact, God says, I'll let you sit
27:34 with me in my throne and rule the universe together.
27:38 That's how wonderful God is.
27:39 And I wonder Janice
27:42 I just wish we could say something else
27:43 to folks to have them accept Jesus Christ.
27:47 - He's done all the work.
27:49 All we have to do is accept it.
27:51 Say thank you, Lord.
27:53 I'm on your team and throw ourselves into His loving arms.
27:57 - That's right, throw yourself in His loving arms.
28:05 - Thanks for joining us for Country Wisdom
28:07 - See you next time.


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