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00:03 - Welcome, everyone. 00:05 We're excited to share some country wisdom with you. 00:07 - King Solomon had a thing or two to say 00:09 about the path to wisdom. 00:11 In Proverbs 4, he wrote, 00:13 "Let your eyes look directly forward 00:15 and your gaze be straight before you. 00:19 Keep straight the path of your feet 00:21 and all your ways will be sure." 00:23 - Join us now for "Country Wisdom". 00:26 (soft upbeat music continues) 00:33 (thunder rambling) 00:35 (gentle ancient music) 00:46 - There's a storm coming. 00:49 That means any minute now 00:51 my grandchildren will start appearing. 00:54 The little ones first, 00:56 but the older ones won't be far behind. 00:59 All of them scrambling for the safety of grandma's lap. 01:05 They know their grandmother isn't afraid of any storm. 01:09 And soon one of them is bound to ask to hear it again. 01:12 The story of the Great Storm. 01:16 How God decided to rid his world of evil, 01:20 how he decided to send the rain, 01:24 and how we asked grandpa Noah to build a boat. 01:28 (gentle ancient music continues) 02:00 - Tim, thank you for being with us today. 02:02 There, I wanna introduce you to Tim Chaffey, 02:05 content director or content manager? 02:07 - Content manager, yep. 02:08 - Content manager of The Ark. 02:10 - Yeah. (all laughing) 02:11 - That's incredible. 02:12 - That sounds pretty cool when you say it like that. 02:14 - Oh, yeah, it's a... - Noah could have used him. 02:15 (Tim laughing) 02:16 - Yes, absolutely, absolutely. 02:17 - No, he was busy building things. 02:18 I just write things. 02:19 (Tim and Janice laughing) 02:20 - You have three master's degrees 02:22 and I guess you're working on a doctorate too. 02:24 - Yes. 02:25 - What's the area? 02:26 Because people wonder, content management, what is that? 02:29 - Well, I'm responsible for researching 02:31 and writing the signage that you read 02:32 when you go through the Ark Encounter 02:34 or through the Creation Museum, 02:35 our sister facility, about 40 miles from here. 02:38 And so, I work with an incredible team. 02:40 I've got an assistant 02:41 who kinda handles all things animal-related. 02:42 So he sticks his nose in fossil books all day long. 02:45 How boring, but he loves it. 02:47 And that's great. 02:49 You know, God brought the right person for the job. 02:50 And then I get to do what I love to do, 02:52 and that is to study God's word 02:54 and, you know, figure things out. 02:56 How are we gonna teach this important message 02:58 to the people coming through? 02:59 - I've gotta tell you, I've read several of your books, 03:01 including your "Noah" trilogy. 03:03 - Oh, thank you. 03:04 - Which is particularly appropriate today. 03:05 - Yeah, it's kind of like the official backstory 03:07 for Noah and his family at the Ark Encounter, yeah. 03:08 - Right. 03:09 And I'm trying not to do a full-on fan girl here. 03:12 (Tim and Jim laughing) 03:13 So like, it's Tim Chaffey. 03:15 (all laughing) 03:16 Because of my age, that would not be dignified. 03:18 (Tim laughing) So I'm trying to pretend like, 03:20 oh, I talk to people like this all the time. 03:21 (Tim and Jim laughing) 03:23 It's normal. 03:23 - Oh, I'm flattered. 03:24 (Tim laughing) 03:26 - Now, it is interesting, in Genesis, chapter six, you know, 03:29 basically God said, "Noah, the whole Earth is evil. 03:33 I'm going to destroy it by a flood, 03:35 so make an Ark of gopher wood." 03:38 I'm curious, what's this made of? 03:39 - Yeah, what is gopher wood? 03:40 - What's gopher wood? 03:41 Well, that's a great question. 03:42 We get asked that a lot. 03:43 We used to, people would say all the time, 03:44 "Hey, are you gonna make it out 03:45 of the same thing that Noah did?" 03:46 And I would always say, "Yeah, wood." 03:47 (Jim laughing) 03:48 (indistinct) 03:49 Are you gonna make it out of gopher wood? 03:50 Well, what's gopher wood? 03:51 I mean, Genesis 6:14. 03:52 It appears that's the only time in the Bible 03:54 that word is ever used. 03:55 And it doesn't describe, you know, what it is. 03:58 So some people have guessed over the years, 03:59 maybe it was cypress, maybe it was cedar. 04:01 But what they're doing is looking at the region of the world 04:04 where the Ark landed and saying what kind of wood grows, 04:07 you know, trees grow in this area 04:08 that would be suitable for building an ark? 04:09 But that's not the right approach 04:11 because the world was so different before the flood. 04:13 You know, according to Peter, that world perished. 04:16 - It's quite possible it isn't something 04:18 that we even have anymore. 04:20 - Right, it's possible gopher wood doesn't exist anymore. 04:23 So we don't know what kind of wood that was 04:25 other than just what the Bible calls it. 04:27 And there's a lot of speculation about what it was. 04:30 If you are really interested 04:32 in how much we don't know about gopher wood, 04:34 I've got an article on the "Answers In Genesis" website 04:36 (all laughing) about the mystery. 04:37 I think it's "The Mystery of the Ark's Lumber" 04:39 and three or 4,000 words about how much we don't know 04:42 about gopher wood. 04:43 But what I can tell you is that some of the trees 04:45 that came from gopher wood, you know, 04:47 through the years, assuming it survived, 04:49 we know the Ark survived and that was made from gopher wood, 04:51 but assuming some gopher wood trees 04:52 were replanted and regrew, 04:54 if what we call them today are Douglas fir 04:56 or Engelmann spruce, 04:57 then we built the Ark out of gopher wood 04:59 because of the two of the major timbers in the Ark, but... 05:00 - Okay, all right. 05:01 Now, you pointed to the Ark and said, 05:04 "And the Ark was here", you know, 05:05 but this isn't the real Ark, (indistinct), so... 05:07 - Right, that's not the Noah's Ark. 05:08 That is our reconstruction of Noah's Ark... 05:09 - [Janice] Yes, we should make a disclaimer. 05:11 - According to the biblical specification. 05:13 - And you mentioned that things aren't the same. 05:15 Give us a little idea of what it was prior to the flood. 05:17 What the Earth was like. 05:18 - Or what it may have been? 05:20 - Yeah, so we believe that the Earth, 05:21 that there was one continent on the Earth at that time. 05:23 The Bible says in Genesis, chapter one, 05:24 "All the water was gathered together in one place." 05:26 Which seems, to imply, land was in one place. 05:28 The description of that land 05:29 in Genesis chapter two doesn't match anywhere 05:31 on Earth today. 05:32 You know, sometimes people say, 05:33 "Oh, the Garden of Eden was in the Middle East 05:35 because it talks about Tigris and Euphrates." 05:36 Well, that's two rivers that become one. 05:39 What the Bible describes is one river 05:40 that becomes four, and the Tigris and Euphrates, 05:42 there's just two of those. 05:44 So, it's not the same place. 05:45 That world was destroyed 05:47 and completely wiped out by the flood. 05:49 The Garden of Eden is probably buried underneath, 05:51 you know, thousands of feet of sediment. 05:53 So that's a big difference. 05:56 What people were eating, you know, prior to the flood, 05:59 God told man he was to eat vegetation 06:01 and it's not until after the flood, 06:02 that he permit man to eat meat. 06:04 One of my favorite verses, Genesis 9:3, 06:07 "Every living thing that moves shall be food for you." 06:09 - It's really interesting that after the flood, 06:12 you watch the age of man come down, down, down, 06:15 because he became a meat eater. 06:16 (all laughing) 06:19 Kind of interesting. 06:20 - Yeah, I think there's other reasons for it. 06:23 - But also height. 06:24 Right? 06:25 It seems that... 06:26 - Well, his didn't cut that. 06:27 (all laughing) - Yeah, that's true, yeah. 06:28 - Yeah, that one we're not really sure 06:30 because we don't know how tall man was prior to the flood. 06:36 The Bible discusses giants in Genesis 6:4, 06:38 but other than that... 06:39 - There are fossils, I mean, here in the U.S., 06:42 they have found human remains 06:45 that are much more like you than they are like me. 06:48 (Tim and Jim laughing) 06:49 - Well, even without getting it, those would be post-flood. 06:50 You know, the different skeletons that they find though, 06:52 they're all post-flood. 06:53 So we don't know what people would be pre-flood. 06:55 As far as we know, we don't have any human artifact 06:57 or human remains from pre-flood. 07:00 - So how did you do your research? 07:02 I mentioned the "Noah" trilogy. 07:04 That is a favorite of mine. 07:06 How did you, what did you research? 07:08 How did you come up with such a fascinating story 07:11 and all those details that you put into it? 07:13 - Yeah, so it started with... 07:15 We have an exhibit on deck two called, 07:17 "Who Was Noah and How Could He Build the Ark?" 07:19 So, what I was asked to do, 07:20 is write a plausible backstory for Noah. 07:22 How could he have acquired the skills 07:24 that he obviously had to build the Ark? 07:25 You know, it's more than just carpentry. 07:27 It's more than just shipbuilding. 07:29 He's also got to manage a crew, all the different things. 07:31 And so I got this idea that, you know, 07:33 typically people think of Noah as a, 07:35 "Oh, he was a preacher who went around 07:36 and preached to everybody." 07:37 Well, that's not really how the Bible describes, 07:38 (indistinct) he's a preacher of righteousness. 07:40 The Bible tells us that in the New Testament, 07:43 it never said anything like that in the Old Testament. 07:45 And of course they agree, 07:46 I'm not telling there's a contradiction. 07:48 But I don't think that was his occupation. 07:50 In fact, when Jesus talks about the flood, 07:52 he says the people did not know until the flood came 07:55 and took them all the way. 07:56 It's as if most of the people really didn't know 07:58 that this was gonna happen. 08:00 We tend to think of it... - Or didn't believe, 08:01 you know, they just... 08:02 - Right, and even if (indistinct). 08:03 - Thought he was the crazy old man. 08:04 - Yeah, or, I mean, even if he told a lot of people, 08:06 there's still likely millions 08:08 or hundreds of millions of people around the world. 08:09 He didn't reach everybody. 08:10 I mean, we have this huge ark here and we have mass media 08:14 and we have ads on some of the major networks 08:16 and I'll bet over 50% of the people in the country 08:18 have never even heard of it. 08:20 - I am curious, how many people do you get here each year? 08:22 - Well, before the whole COVID thing hit, 08:24 we had about a million people a year on average. 08:27 And then this past summer has been fantastic. 08:29 We've had a lot of people come back, 08:30 even without the large bus groups 08:32 that we used to have all the time. 08:34 So we still had some record numbers this summer, 08:36 which has been great. 08:37 But going back to your question, what do you research, 08:39 really pouring into Genesis one through six, 08:42 everything in there is fair game. 08:44 What could Noah know? 08:46 How could he, you know, 08:47 assuming that he doesn't know everything that's coming 08:49 in the rest of the Bible. 08:50 So you gotta limit yourself to just, 08:53 really those six chapters, 08:54 and, you know, how could he figure things out? 08:58 So I got the idea that maybe he was already a ship builder, 09:01 and people don't usually think of that. 09:03 But the way that God often works is, 09:04 he prepares you for the task 09:06 that he has in store for you. 09:07 And so rather than having Noah be the expert on everything, 09:10 we had his wife be somebody 09:12 who's always had an interest in animals 09:13 and always loved, you know, studying those. 09:15 Well, not knowing that those two skills 09:17 would come in very handy later in life for both of them. 09:20 Because God often does that, he... 09:22 - I love the roles that you gave 09:25 to the women involved in the story 09:27 because, well, let's face it, 09:29 throughout the Bible you often have, 09:30 "Oh, yeah, and there were some women there too", 09:32 you know, at the end of a story we're a little postscript. 09:36 But in your trilogy, women were a major part. 09:40 - Yeah, well, I think it's... 09:41 - As they would have been. 09:42 - I think that typically the case of... 09:45 What's the saying, I'll probably botch it, 09:46 but, "Behind every strong man there's a strong woman", 09:48 or something like that. 09:49 And I think that's generally true. 09:52 I... - 'Cause Janice says, 09:54 this is really near and dear to her 09:55 because of your graciousness, yesterday, 09:58 we filmed a "Mrs. Noah". 10:00 - [Janice] I do a bit of a (indistinct). 10:01 - [Tim] Oh, neat. 10:02 Okay. 10:03 - [Jim] So... 10:04 - Well now, you know her name? 10:05 No, I'm just kidding. 10:05 (Jim and Janice laughing) 10:07 The Bible doesn't give us her name. 10:08 So those things were, you know, 10:09 the names of the women were fictional and... 10:10 So, yeah, it was just interesting to try to dream up 10:14 what that world would be like. 10:15 But even in my case, you know, 10:16 how does God prepare somebody for a role? 10:18 Well, for about 15 years, 10:20 I was fascinated with pre-flood world 10:21 and reading everything I could get my hands on. 10:23 I didn't know 10:25 that someday I was gonna be doing this, what God knew. 10:26 - So God was preparing you at that time too? 10:27 - Exactly, yep. 10:29 And so when God told Noah, "Build the Ark", 10:30 he said, "I can do that, how big?" 10:33 "Oh." 10:34 (all laughing) 10:35 "Give me a little bit of time. 10:36 It's gonna be kind of big, but..." 10:37 - Speaking of, tell me, Tim, 10:39 give us the dimensions and how did you arrive at those? 10:41 - Because the... - 510 feet long, right? 10:43 - [Tim] Yes. 10:44 - See, I did my research. 10:45 - Thank you, Tim. 10:46 (Jim and Janice laughing) 10:47 - [Tim] Yeah, so the Bible gives us the dimensions 10:49 of the Ark. 10:50 It tells us that it was, you know, 300 cubit by 50 cubit. 10:52 - [Janice] And then you had to decide 10:53 what's a cubic? - What's a cubit, yeah. 10:54 We know that cubit is this, but... 10:57 - You might notice his cubit would be just a tad longer 10:59 than mine. 11:00 (crosstalk and laughter) 11:00 - Mine is 22 inches 11:02 because I'm about a six foot eight, six foot nine. 11:04 And so, my cubit's pretty large. 11:06 But if Noah would have used mine, 11:08 the Ark would have been even longer than what you see here. 11:10 Typically, what people will do is say, 11:12 "Well, the common cubit is 18 inches." 11:15 That's what you'll see in a lot of Bibles. 11:17 Some of the modern ones, we'll see 17.5 inches. 11:20 And the reason for that is the discovery 11:21 of Hezekiah's tunnel in Jerusalem. 11:24 Yeah, that was... 11:25 - [Jim] Tell us more about that. 11:26 - So that was a tunnel 11:27 that they used for water and everything. 11:29 That was dug during Hezekiah's time. 11:31 And so you're looking at, you know, centuries before Jesus, 11:35 but thousands of years after Noah 11:37 and it was built on a 17 and a half inch cubit. 11:41 So that's why people think, oh, that was the common cubit. 11:43 Well, it's the common cubit in Hezekiah's day. 11:45 We don't know what Noah used. 11:48 And what we do know is 11:50 that throughout the ancient Near East, 11:51 in Egypt and Syria and all these different places, 11:54 they all used cubits, 11:55 but they all had different length cubits. 11:57 So we had to pick one, and so... 11:59 - It's not a measurement that you just pulled out of a hat. 12:01 You know, let's throw the dice and see... 12:03 - Right. 12:04 - How many inches are cubits gonna be. 12:06 - So what we did is, we took the 17 and a half inch cubit. 12:07 But what we also recognized throughout history is, 12:09 a lot of those ancient building projects, 12:11 whether it's pyramids or temples, 12:12 a lot of them are built 12:14 on what's called a "long cubit" or a "royal cubit". 12:16 So you add it with the four fingers and then to the cubit. 12:19 And so that's about 2.9 inches to three inches. 12:22 So we have it... 12:23 - Moses who wrote, was royalty, so... 12:25 - Yeah, yeah. 12:27 He would have been familiar with what was going on in Egypt. 12:28 And so that a 20.4 inch cubit 12:30 and the 17.5 plus the 2.9 inches. 12:33 So we used the 20.4 inch cubit here. 12:35 That gives you an ark of 510 feet in length 12:38 and it is, you know, 51 feet tall and 85 feet wide. 12:44 And then it's taller than that 12:45 because it's up on these pillars that are 14 feet tall, 12:48 and then you've got the (indistinct) up there. 12:49 (upbeat ancient music) 12:57 (soft music) 12:59 - It's no secret that the world is in a major mess. 13:02 We are in a major mess. 13:04 Even if you have escaped many of life's difficulties, 13:08 most homes still struggle with daily living. 13:12 So the question arises, 13:14 is there hope for the future, for your future? 13:18 I wanna tell you, there absolutely is hope. 13:22 And that's why I'm asking you to order this free pamphlet. 13:26 "Is there Hope for the future?" 13:28 You will be happy you did. 13:31 It will change your life. 13:33 Go to TalkingDonkeyInternational.org today 13:37 and order offer #105, "Is there Hope for the future?" 13:44 (gentle upbeat music) 13:45 - Because one criticism of the whole flood story, 13:49 you have people who say, 13:50 "Well, he couldn't have gotten all the animals", 13:53 (Tim chuckling) 13:54 you know, two of every kind of animal. 13:56 "You can't, can't be done." 13:57 And part of your purpose here is to show, 14:00 well, yes, it could have been. 14:01 - Oh, absolutely, yeah. 14:02 Yeah, so, a lot of times people don't recognize 14:04 how big the Ark is. 14:05 And so, when people would give me that line, 14:08 like, "Oh, there's no way you can fit the animals." 14:09 "Well, how big was the Ark?" 14:11 "Well, I don't know, but there's no way 14:12 you could fit them on there." 14:13 (Jim and Janice laughing) 14:14 "Okay, well, how many animals?" 14:15 "I don't know, but there's no way you can fit." 14:17 So they don't even know the two things they have to know 14:18 and they tell you it can't be done 14:19 because they're just repeating what they've heard. 14:21 And they try to imagine every single type of animal 14:24 they've ever seen. 14:25 - Not understanding... - Not understanding... 14:27 - Two of each kind. - Two of each kind. 14:28 And they'll say, "Well, that's just a made up category." 14:30 All of the categories we come up with are just... 14:33 You can classify animals however you want to, 14:34 by brown animals and by their color, 14:37 by the number of leg. 14:38 You can classify them how you want to. 14:40 We just have a system that we've kind of accepted 14:42 for the last couple hundred years. 14:44 You know, with family, genus, species and so on. 14:47 And... 14:48 - So what would kind relate to... 14:49 - Kind is... 14:50 - In those terms that we're used to? 14:51 - Yeah, yeah. 14:52 Kind is roughly equivalent to the family level. 14:54 So if animals can interbreed, they belong to the same kind. 14:57 So, you know, here at the zoo, right behind the Ark here, 15:00 we've got a zonkey and a zorse, 15:02 (Janice laughing) 15:03 which are the cross between a, you know, 15:05 a zebra and a donkey and a zebra and a horse. 15:07 And those are the same kind of animal. 15:10 And the same thing would be true 15:11 with like camels and llamas and alpacas. 15:13 They belong to the same kind. 15:15 So Noah doesn't need two camels, two alpacas, two llamas. 15:17 They belong to the same family. 15:19 With dogs, I mean, wolves and coyotes and dingoes and foxes, 15:22 those are all different species. 15:23 There's like 14 different species of foxes. 15:25 They're all part of the dog kind, Noah just needs two dogs. 15:28 - I love, I was listening to Ken Ham one time 15:31 when he was talking about, 15:32 there were no poodles on the Ark. 15:33 - [Jim] No, there weren't. (all laughing) 15:35 - You don't like poodles. - No. 15:36 - No, poodles are, you know, 15:37 just the last couple of hundred years 15:39 as people are breeding, you know, getting runts together 15:41 and breeding them and getting more runts together 15:42 and breeding them and getting this kind of a useless dog. 15:45 (Tim laughing) 15:46 (crosstalk) 15:47 - The original, whatever it was Noah had with him, 15:50 had the ability in those genes... 15:53 - Yes. 15:54 - To someday create poodles. 15:55 - It had the genetic variability. 15:56 - [Janice] For better or for worse. 15:58 - Right, and so people look at it and say, 15:58 "Isn't that evolution?" 16:00 No, it's the exact opposite of evolution. 16:01 What we're saying is that these two dogs 16:02 on Ark, they had the genetic variability 16:04 for all that we see today in the dog kind. 16:07 What evolutionary... 16:08 And then what happens, 16:10 as you think about the different breeds, 16:11 they're losing genetic information. 16:13 That's why the purebreds, that we call purebreds, 16:15 they're often very sick 16:16 and they gotta go to the vet all the time, 16:17 but a mutt can survive anything 16:19 because it's got much more variability. 16:21 - [Jim] Yeah. 16:22 - And so it's actually the opposite of evolution 16:25 and evolution would require a gain 16:27 of new genetic information every step of the way. 16:29 And we've never observed that. 16:30 - So as time goes on, 16:32 they'd be able to create more and more 16:33 and different and different. 16:34 And we find just the opposite. 16:36 - Right, yep. 16:37 - Now, I guess you wrote everything in there too. 16:41 You wrote in there, 16:43 last night I was able to get in just for a second. 16:46 You've got the gallons of water that the place would hold 16:49 and how many animals? 16:50 Can you give us a rundown on how massive it was 16:52 and how organized everything? 16:54 - That surprised me, because I would tend to think, 16:56 just hold a cup outside the window, 16:58 (Tim and Jim laughing) you know, 16:59 and you're gonna get water. 17:00 And it had not occurred to me 17:02 that they would need water storage. 17:04 You know, doesn't it seem counter intuitive 17:07 that you'd need to be able to get a lot? 17:08 - You know, you got a lot of animals. 17:09 It's tough to get enough in a cup in one day, but... 17:11 - Well, what we did is, we tried several different methods. 17:14 How do we wanna approach this too 17:15 and have potable water for all 12 months? 17:18 Well, that's not usually a good idea 17:19 because it doesn't usually keep real well. 17:21 So what we did is, 17:22 let's plan for three months of potable water. 17:23 And then we had it, is there a way 17:25 that they could collect rainwater off the roof? 17:28 And given the roof of that size, we did the calculations. 17:31 You would need, on average, one inch of rain per week 17:34 in order to have enough water for the people, 17:36 for all the animals, for washing the stalls, 17:38 for everything that you need, one inch of rain per week. 17:40 Do you think they got that during the flood 17:42 and during the subsequent month? 17:43 Well, we get, right in this area of Kentucky, 17:45 guess how much rain we averaged on a year? 17:47 - A lot more than we do on our area California. 17:49 - Yes. 17:50 One inch of rain, we have the exact right amount here. 17:53 And so as long as it rained, what it does here, 17:55 then you have enough water 17:57 and they would've had much more rain than that. 18:00 So, they easily could have had enough for it. 18:03 - How many animal, how many kinds do you have? 18:04 - Yeah, so the total number of kinds, 18:05 we had to go through and do the research, 18:07 and we had to figure out, not just the still living kinds, 18:10 but also those that have gone extinct 18:12 since the time of the flood. 18:13 How many kinds of animals would there be? 18:15 And what we often hear is, 18:16 "How could you fit millions of species?", and... 18:18 - [Janice] Right. 18:19 - But we've already talked about the, 18:20 how we're not talking about species. 18:21 We're talking about kinds. 18:22 And when they say millions of species, 18:23 they're including all the insects. 18:25 Noah doesn't have to bring the insects on board the Ark. 18:27 They're not breathing air through their nostril. 18:29 They don't have nostrils. 18:31 They don't have the life of the flushes in the blood. 18:32 They don't have blood. 18:33 They don't go two by two. 18:34 - I really wish he would've not taken spiders. 18:35 - Oh, me too. 18:37 (Jim laughing) 18:38 Completely get rid of those, and mosquitoes, 18:39 we can do without fine. 18:40 - You found a friend here. 18:40 - Yes. - Yeah. 18:41 (Tim and Jim laughing) 18:43 - I'm okay with snakes, but spiders, the big ones, 18:44 yeah, they creep me out. 18:45 (Tim and Janice laughing) 18:46 - Oh, even the little ones. 18:47 They don't have to be big, yeah. 18:48 (Tim laughing) 18:50 - So the total number of kinds, 18:51 and this is probably an overestimate 18:53 because what we were doing is, 18:54 if we don't have the proof at all 18:56 that these belong in the same kind, we separate them out. 18:58 Even though they probably do. 19:00 For example, bats, there're 18 living 19:03 of families of bats in the world today 19:05 and five or six extinct families of bats. 19:08 There's a good likelihood they all belong to the same kind, 19:10 but we don't have all the hybridization data we need. 19:13 So we separated them out into 24 kinds. 19:15 And because they're flying creatures, we brought 14 of each. 19:17 We have over 300 bats on the Ark. 19:18 Noah might've just needed seven. 19:20 - And these are not alive, right? 19:21 - Right. (Janice laughing) 19:22 - For anybody watching, let's come to the Ark. 19:23 - Right. (crosstalk) 19:25 - I'm not going in there. - They're not supposed to be, 19:26 maybe some God in there. 19:27 (Tim and Jim laughing) 19:29 So the total number of kinds 19:30 that we've calculated is just under 1400, it's 1398. 19:33 And the total number of animals is fewer than 6,700. 19:36 - [Janice] 'Cause it wasn't just two. 19:38 People think two of everything. 19:39 - Right, it's two of every kind 19:41 and then it's seven or seven pairs of the clean animals 19:46 and all the flying creatures. 19:48 And so, it depends, 19:49 are you gonna do seven, are you gonna do 14? 19:51 And our approach was to do a worst case scenario. 19:54 So every time you have a decision to make 19:56 between a lower number or a higher number, 19:57 and you can't be sure... - [Janice] Get the higher. 19:58 - You always go with the higher number, 20:00 because we're trying to show they could all fit. 20:01 And if we always took the lower number, 20:02 people are gonna say, "Oh, you cheated." 20:04 No, we are probably overestimated by quite a bit. 20:06 And what we found is, when you calculate all the water, 20:09 all the food, everything that you need and all the animals, 20:12 everything fits just right. 20:14 Which, that's what you would expect, 20:16 because God is the one who told Noah how to... 20:17 - [Jim] God designed... (crosstalk) 20:18 - He's not gonna say, "Build it this size 20:20 so that it's just a little too small. 20:21 You can't get the animals in it", or, 20:22 "Make it way too big, so it's gonna be a lot harder 20:24 to keep it afloat and spend a lot more time building it." 20:27 It's gonna be just right, 20:28 because God knows how big it needs to be. 20:30 - Sounds like one of your gospel bands is starting. 20:32 (crosstalk) 20:34 - Yeah, we're in the middle of our 40-40. 20:37 40 days and 40 nights of music here at the Ark. 20:39 And so we've got music going on at the Answer Center. 20:42 And then we've also got an outdoor concert going on as well, 20:45 and... 20:46 - And you have some pretty good groups coming in. 20:49 - Yeah, there are some very well-known groups 20:51 that have been, I think Selah has been here 20:53 and some other. 20:54 A lot of... 20:55 It's mostly all southern gospel. 20:57 So if that's... 20:58 - What you would expect for Kentucky. 20:59 (all laughing) 21:01 - Tim... - I grew up in the eighties, 21:02 so I was kind of hoping for something more of that, 21:03 but, yeah. 21:04 (all laughing) 21:05 - With the Ark Encounter, and it truly is an encounter. 21:07 I mean, it's, you know, incredible. 21:09 How long does it take people to go through? 21:11 - You know, it depends on the type of person, you know. 21:13 - I'm the kind who goes through and I read everything. 21:16 - Then you wanna give yourself all day just for the Ark. 21:18 There are some people like... 21:19 - Can I have all day? 21:20 - No. (Tim laughing) 21:21 - You're not gonna get me all day. 21:23 - You know, one of my bosses, he's a looker. 21:24 He just looks at things real quick, 21:25 and he reads the headline and then he moves on. 21:26 But he also touches everything. 21:27 (all laughing) 21:29 So there's some people like that. 21:30 And so you wanna give yourself a couple of hours 21:31 if you've got that. 21:32 Sometimes if you've got younger kids, 21:34 you know, it can be hard with the younger kids, 21:36 they'll get a little bit tired 21:38 by the time they get, you know, through deck two. 21:40 We've got a playground here, we've got ziplines, 21:42 we've got the zoo, so you can always leave, 21:44 go out and do those things for a little while 21:45 and then return for deck three. 21:47 - [Janice] You can do the zipline. 21:48 (Jim laughing) 21:49 - [Tim] Yeah, oh, they're fun. 21:50 - [Janice] I'm not going near a zipline. 21:51 (Tim laughing) - [Jim] All right. 21:52 - They're safe. 21:53 If they can hold me, it can hold you. 21:54 - I know the theory. 21:55 (Tim and Janice laughing) 21:57 But you're still not getting me up on that tower. 21:59 (Tim and Janice laughing) 22:00 - I understand, I'm afraid of heights, 22:01 it's a little scary just to walk around all day. 22:02 (Tim laughing) 22:04 - As tall as you are, you're afraid of heights? 22:05 (Jim and Janice laughing) 22:06 - Yeah, a little bit, 22:07 but I was part of the team that tested the ziplines 22:09 at the Creation Museum, and... 22:10 - [Janice] Ooh. (indistinct) 22:11 - I was afraid to fall. 22:12 I didn't wanna have to be the first one, 22:14 but I ended up being the first one 22:15 to go on one of the lines, 22:16 and all of my coworkers watching, 22:17 I thought, "I can't chicken out." 22:19 I got that. (Tim and Janice laughing) 22:20 Didn't help me, it was fun. 22:21 - We're starting to run out of time here, 22:23 but something I wanna ask you, 22:26 I understand there was one "scientist", quote, unquote, 22:28 who came here and looked and said, 22:30 "Well, this thing can't float. 22:32 So it really is totally in material", and on, and on. 22:34 - Yeah. 22:35 - What do you say to folks like that? 22:37 - Yeah, well, this one cannot float. 22:39 I mean, it's hooked, it's connected on the backside. 22:41 You don't see from here, 22:42 to three giant towers that anchor it 22:43 so that it can withstand 140 mile an hour winds. 22:46 This one was not designed to float, 22:47 but the engineering behind this shape, 22:50 this structure, was done by Tim Lovett, 22:53 who's an engineer in Australia, 22:55 and he designed it in a way that it could float, 22:57 if it was constructed, you know, 22:58 the way that we show on the inside. 23:00 When you first walk in, 23:01 we've got a cross section of the hall. 23:03 And if it's designed that way, that structure will float. 23:06 You know, people say, 23:07 "You can't build a wooden ship that large." 23:09 Well, the Wyoming that was built in the early 1900's, 23:11 was 430 feet long from tip to tip, 23:14 and people will often cite that one and would say, 23:15 "You can't build a wooden ship that large 23:17 because it sank and 14 people were killed." 23:19 But what they don't tell you is, 23:21 that thing floated for nearly 15 years, 23:23 carrying thousands of tons of cargo 23:24 back and forth across the Atlantic. 23:26 Why don't they tell you that? 23:27 Because you can build wooden ships that large. 23:29 Noah's Ark needed to float for a maximum of five months 23:32 before it landed on the mountains of Ararat. 23:34 So if something close to that size can float for 15 years, 23:37 if you spent a little more time and your engineering, 23:40 there... 23:41 Wouldn't ships... - And besides that, 23:42 it's not taking into account 23:43 that God was taking care of them. 23:45 He wasn't going to let it sink. 23:47 - Yeah, he's not gonna let sink. 23:48 Our assumption going into this 23:49 and the way that we worked on these is, 23:51 if the Bible didn't tells us 23:52 that God did something miraculously, 23:54 let's assume that he didn't do something miraculously. 23:57 So can Noah design something in a way that's gonna survive? 24:00 Because there's a little hint that God wasn't right there 24:02 with him all the time, because Genesis 8:1 says, 24:03 "God remembered Noah." 24:05 And that's during the middle of the flood. 24:06 So it's almost as if God wasn't in there with him, 24:09 you know, taking care of all their needs, 24:10 that they had to actually do the planning 24:12 and the research and prepare for it. 24:14 Of course, we know God can do those things. 24:16 And if he wanted to, he would, but our approach to it, 24:19 because we wanna show a kind of a feasibility study, 24:21 is that God wasn't doing that every step of the way. 24:23 - And really, God wants to be in a partnership with us. 24:26 - Yes. 24:27 - He wants us to work alongside of him, you know, 24:29 in everything, in the gospel too. 24:30 - Amen, yeah. 24:32 (indistinct) - I'm sure you found that. 24:33 - Well, that's what we're called to do. 24:34 And ultimately that's why we built this. 24:35 Because we have the most important message 24:37 that can ever be shared. 24:38 Not just Noah and the Ark, but, God judged the world, 24:41 but the Ark and the flood is the reminder of God's judgment 24:43 and yet also his mercy and his grace to Noah and his family 24:46 and the representatives of the animals. 24:48 - But it's also demonstrating 24:50 that you can believe what the Bible says. 24:52 - Yeah. 24:53 - That it's not just stories. 24:54 - Right, and it's a reminder 24:55 that someday he is gonna judge the world again. 24:57 And this time by fire. 24:58 And he's providing a means of eternal salvation 25:00 from our sins through the Lord Jesus Christ. 25:01 - Amen. 25:02 In the last couple of minutes, 25:03 is there a story that comes to your mind 25:05 of someone who came here 25:06 and all of a sudden gave their life to God? 25:09 Tell me. - Yeah, there was one. 25:11 I think it was about a year after we opened, 25:12 I was walking out on the left side there, 25:13 we have a gift shop at the bottom, 25:15 and I was walking out of there and somebody saw my badge, 25:18 and he said, "Sir, do you work here?" 25:19 I said, yes. 25:20 And he said, "I just need to tell you." 25:22 And they were walking over to the restaurant over there 25:24 for dinner or for lunch. 25:26 And he said, "See that young man walking with my family? 25:28 That's my son-in-law. 25:29 We were just up on the third deck of the Ark 25:31 and he just gave his life to the Lord 25:33 after watching this presentation of the gospel." 25:34 - [Jim] Amen. 25:35 - And... 25:36 - That makes it all worth it. 25:38 - Absolutely, all the long hours, 25:39 everything we did for it right there, 25:41 that makes it worthwhile. 25:43 And we've had other similar testimonies. 25:44 So praise God for that, and, you know, 25:46 his word did not return to him void. 25:48 And we have his word throughout the Ark. 25:51 - [Jim] Amen, amen. 25:52 - I'm so thankful for that. 25:53 And what a privilege to be a part of it. 25:55 - You know, folks, the Bible's true. 25:58 God's word is true. 26:00 The Ark was real and it's real here now 26:03 and God is calling you into his ark of safety, 26:06 into an incredible life with him. 26:09 And as Tim had said, he's coming soon. 26:10 He's going to cleanse this Earth again, 26:12 not by water this time, but by fire. 26:14 And will you come into his ark of safety? 26:17 That's the question. 26:18 And Tim, I wanna thank you today so much 26:21 for coming and sharing with us. 26:22 - Absolutely. 26:23 - I hope people will come here and visit 26:25 because it's a moving experience. 26:26 - It's been great to be a part of it. 26:29 Thank you. 26:29 (uplifting ancient music) 26:50 (gentle music) 26:51 - It's no secret that the world is in a major mess. 26:55 We are in a major mess. 26:57 Even if you have escaped many of life's difficulties, 27:00 most homes still struggle with daily living. 27:04 So the question arises, 27:07 is there hope for the future, for your future? 27:11 I wanna tell you, there absolutely is hope. 27:14 And that's why I'm asking you to order this free pamphlet, 27:18 "Is there Hope for the future?" 27:21 You will be happy you did. 27:23 It will change your life. 27:25 Go to TalkingDonkeyInternational.org today 27:29 and order offer #105, "Is there Hope for the future?" 27:37 (gentle upbeat music) 27:41 - Thank you for watching. 27:42 Join us again for another exciting "Country Wisdom". 27:44 - See you next time. 27:45 (gentle upbeat music continues) 28:18 (music ending) |
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