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00:03 - Welcome, everyone. 00:05 We're excited to share some "Country Wisdom" with you. 00:07 - King Solomon had a thing or two to say 00:09 about the path to wisdom. 00:11 In Proverbs 4 he wrote: 00:13 "Let your eyes look directly forward 00:16 "and your gaze be straight before you. 00:19 "Keep straight the path of your feet 00:21 "and all your ways will be sure." 00:23 - Join us now for "Country Wisdom." 00:33 (somber instrumental music) 00:40 (dinosaur roaring) 00:44 (dinosaur grumbling) 00:50 (dinosaur growling) 01:00 - We're here at the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky, 01:03 and I am especially excited 01:05 to be here sitting with Bodie Hodge, 01:08 and especially because this book. 01:11 I'm taking this book home with me 01:13 and I'm going to pretend that it's for Anwen, not for me, 01:18 but it's really for me. (Bodie laughing) 01:20 I took one look at the cover and said, 01:22 "Oh, I have to have that." 01:23 And I was so excited when he agreed 01:25 we're gonna talk dinosaurs today. 01:28 This is gonna be the best episode ever. 01:31 - I thought you were gonna put into his mouth 01:33 that he agreed to let you take a book for free. 01:35 (Bodie laughing) 01:37 - I think you're gonna make me pay for the book, 01:38 but that's okay. 01:39 I didn't even ask how much. 01:40 - [Bodie] Oh my. 01:42 - But I mean, you probably liked dinosaurs 01:44 when you were a kid too. 01:46 - I just loved the whole thing, you know? 01:47 And especially, I wasn't always a Christian 01:50 so I thought it was a whole different scenario. 01:53 - Oh yeah. - And- 01:55 - Hey, when did you become a Christian, if I can ask? 01:56 - Oh, when I was probably 21. 01:59 - 21, yeah? 02:00 - 22, maybe somewhere in there. 02:01 - Yeah, so you probably did a lot of your schooling 02:02 just in the secular schools? 02:04 - Oh, totally. I was totally evolution. 02:07 - Yeah, see, I grew up in a church. 02:08 - Opposite for me. I was in Christian schools. 02:09 - You were in Christian schools the whole time? 02:10 See, I went to church, 02:12 but at the same time I was in the secular school 02:14 so I was being taught with the secular world, 02:16 taught me about dinosaurs. 02:17 In fact, when I was a kid, I don't know, 02:19 maybe 3rd, 4th grade, 02:20 I was part of that scholastic club 02:21 where you buy a book for like 35 cents. 02:23 - Uh-huh. Uh-huh. 02:24 - Inflation, right? 02:25 - Yeah. (group laughing) 02:26 - But I got this book on dinosaurs, 02:28 it probably only had 20, 30 pages in it, 02:30 but I remember the very first line said, 02:31 "Millions of years ago." 02:33 And I was totally influenced by that book. 02:35 To me, that book was the gospel truth about dinosaurs. 02:38 All throughout it, millions of years ago dinosaurs died out, 02:41 the last one died 'cause it got stuck in a tree, 02:43 'cause that's what happened in the book. 02:44 So that's what I always thought, you know? 02:46 (group laughing) 02:47 But at the same time though, I went to church 02:48 and we never talked about dinosaurs. 02:50 The subject never even came up all the way through. 02:53 So I really struggled with the issue of dinosaurs 02:55 'cause here I am in church, 02:57 I'm being taught God created everything in six days, 02:59 we have the Fall, we have the Flood, 03:01 the Tower of Babel and so forth. 03:03 But then I go to school and I'm taught, 03:04 well, dinosaurs died out millions of years ago, 03:07 there was a Big Bang. 03:08 It was a struggle for me. 03:10 And all the way up into my college years, 03:11 I struggled back and forth with some of these questions 03:13 and dinosaurs was one of 'em that really hit my heart. 03:18 In particular, I struggled with it. 03:20 And one day I ended up- 03:22 This is where I was at, at the university. 03:23 I was teaching at the university 03:25 and I went to the local youth group 03:27 of the church I was going to and they said, 03:29 "Hey, the junior high kids, they don't have a teacher. 03:31 "Can you run in there?" 03:32 I'm like, "Oh sure. Okay." 03:33 So I go in, I make up their lesson, right? 03:35 Well, I walk out and they said, 03:36 "By the way, you're the permanent teacher now. 03:38 "Come back next week." 03:39 (Janice and Jim laughing) 03:40 And I'm like, "Oh, that's how they get-" 03:41 - You shouldn't have done that good a job, right? 03:42 - That's how they get Sunday School teachers. 03:43 But yeah, they need the stuff. 03:45 So I went in the next week and I'm like, "Okay, kids. 03:48 "You wanna go through a book of the Bible? 03:49 "What do you want to do?" 03:50 I'm like, "Do you guys have questions?" 03:51 And of course all the hands went up. 03:52 They're like, "Yeah. What about dinosaurs? 03:54 "What about Big Bang? What about evolution? 03:56 "Millions of years?" 03:57 And I'm like, 03:58 "Okay, those are all things I've struggled myself. 04:00 "How do I deal with some of these things?" 04:02 And I thought- 04:03 - I don't think it hurts to say that there are topics 04:06 that we do struggle with. 04:08 - Yeah. 04:09 - I think God likes it when we have a question. 04:11 - Yes! 04:13 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a question. 04:13 - 'Cause He's got answers, 04:14 we just have to find them sometimes. 04:15 - Right. And you know what? 04:16 That's a good point even for Christians. 04:18 Sometimes Christians are asked a question, 04:18 they don't know the answer, 04:19 and they try to fumble through stuff. 04:22 Sometimes the best thing to say is, 04:23 "Well, you know, I don't know, but let me go find the answer 04:25 "and that way I have the answer 04:26 "and I can give it to you too." 04:27 There's nothin' wrong with that. 04:29 So what I did is I went to a local Christian book shop 04:31 and I found this one book that said, 04:34 "Okay, dinosaurs, millions of years ago." 04:36 And I grabbed another Christian book 04:37 that dinosaurs millions of years ago. 04:39 And I'm like, "They're basically just teaching 04:41 "what the secular world says. 04:42 "They're just trying to mix it with their Christianity." 04:45 And then I grabbed this book by Ken Ham called, 04:47 "The Great Dinosaur Mystery." 04:48 So I didn't know who Ken Ham was at the time. 04:49 - You didn't know him yet? 04:50 - No. And I grabbed this book. 04:52 I remember looking on the back, I'm like, 04:53 "Wow, this guy looks like Abraham Lincoln." 04:55 (group laughing) 04:57 Apparently he was from Australia, 04:58 so totally different accent. 04:59 But I got that book. 05:00 And right off the bat, it says, 05:01 "Okay, well, dinosaurs are made on day six 05:03 "'cause they're land animals." 05:05 I'm like, "Oh yeah, duh. That makes sense. Of course. 05:08 "Of course that's right." 05:09 So I bought that book, 05:10 I went home and I read the whole book in one day. 05:11 And I mean, woo! I was excited. 05:14 - You were right. - I got all these answers. 05:15 I went back to that bookstore, I bought every copy they had. 05:18 Nobody else was gonna get answers on dinosaurs, 05:20 but (Janice laughing) 05:21 I was gonna take those kids through it. 05:23 And that's what we did. 05:24 We went through that book in that Sunday School. 05:26 It was particularly youth group. 05:28 - Now, which book was it of his? 05:29 - That was an older book from years ago. 05:30 - I've read several of his books, 05:32 but I don't recall reading one on dinosaurs. 05:33 - It was called, "The Great Dinosaur Mystery Solved." 05:35 It's not a long book, but it was the old, old version. 05:38 They don't even make these anymore, 05:39 but it was all in full color. 05:41 It was a beautiful little book. 05:42 So it was actually great for the kids 05:44 and I took 'em through it. 05:45 But that book right there for the first time got me saying, 05:48 "Let's go back and use the Bible 05:50 "as the authority to look at dinosaurs." 05:52 So many people were doing it the other way around. 05:54 They were taking dinosaurs 05:55 and what they thought they knew about dinosaurs 05:57 and they tried to fit it in the Bible. 05:58 But with that comes all the secular jargon 06:01 and all the secular concepts, 06:04 they try to put that in the Bible. 06:05 That's not the way it works. 06:06 Start with the Bible and use the Bible to look at dinosaurs, 06:08 all of a sudden it makes sense. 06:11 - So tell us, all of a sudden makes sense. 06:13 So what was that sense? 06:14 What led you to the next step? 06:16 - Well, let's just go back to that one. 06:18 Dinosaurs are made on day six. 06:20 So let me first define a dinosaur. 06:22 A dinosaur is not like a crocodile or a Komodo dragon. 06:25 It's actually not even the flying reptiles 06:26 or the plesiosaurs in the sea. 06:28 Those are actually not considered dinosaurs. 06:30 The technical definition of a dinosaur 06:32 is that it is a reptilian creature, a land creature, 06:35 that has one of two hip structures 06:38 so that it raises its body up off the ground. 06:41 So that's why things like crocodiles 06:42 are not defined as a dinosaur 06:44 'cause their legs come out to the side 06:45 and their body naturally rests on the ground. 06:48 But the ones that stand upright or stand erect, 06:50 those are considered dinosaurs. 06:52 So like a T-Rex- 06:53 - See, I'm learning stuff already. 06:54 - Or, yeah, yeah. Stegosaur. 06:56 All those are actually considered dinosaurs. 06:58 So when you think of that definition, 07:01 well, okay, they're land animals 07:02 so if they have to be made on day six. 07:05 Now another question 07:06 that kinda all of a sudden starts to make sense is 07:09 originally when God made everything, it was perfect. 07:12 Genesis 1:31, God declared everything very good. 07:14 But the two verses right before that 07:16 say that mankind was originally vegetarian 07:19 and all the animals were vegetarian. 07:21 - So Adam and Eve were not having to run away and hide- 07:24 - That's right. 07:24 - From vicious Tyrannosaurs. 07:26 - That's right. They didn't have any of the conflicts. 07:26 It was a perfect world. 07:28 Now, if the animals were originally vegetarian, 07:31 what did that T-Rex originally eat? 07:33 - Grass, leaves. 07:34 - Right. - Fruit. 07:35 - Right, it was a vegetarian. 07:37 Now I've had people say, "Now hold on, Bodie. 07:38 "He's got big sharp teeth." 07:40 - [Janice] Right. 07:41 - "He seems pretty well designed to go out 07:42 "and kill and eat something. 07:43 "That's got pretty vicious claws." 07:45 Well, maybe not those. 07:46 (Janice and Jim laughing) 07:47 Those aren't that scary, right? 07:48 - Gorillas have a pretty big mouth too. 07:50 - They do, yeah. 07:51 Fact is a lot of animals have sharp teeth and claws 07:53 and things like that 07:54 that seem very well designed you'd think 07:56 to go out and kill things. 07:57 Those are called attack structure. 07:58 So it's also defense structures too. 08:00 Think of a turtle shell. 08:01 Help protect itself from being eaten. 08:03 But see, those are more than likely 08:06 used for a different purpose originally. 08:09 For example, that T-Rex with those sharp teeth, 08:11 they could just tear right through your watermelon patch. 08:13 I say that in some of my talks, 08:15 just tears right through it. (Janice and Jim laughing) 08:16 But there's some animals that have sharp teeth 08:18 that don't eat meat even today. 08:21 Think, for example, a panda. 08:24 What do they eat? 08:25 They eat things like bamboo. 08:26 - [Janice] Bamboo. - Yeah. 08:27 But they use those sharp teeth that tear right through. 08:28 Fruit bats have very sharp teeth. 08:29 There've been some lions that have been documented 08:31 that refuse to eat meat. 08:33 One of 'em was in a reserve, all it would eat was spaghetti. 08:35 (Janice laughing) 08:36 Get this rabbit outta here, give me spaghetti. 08:37 - I think it's Universal Studios, 08:39 their original lion was a vegetarian. 08:41 - Mm-hmm. 08:42 - And- 08:43 - Yeah, that surprises people 08:44 when you think about that sort of thing. 08:46 But yeah. 08:48 So sharp teeth doesn't necessarily mean meat eater, 08:49 it just means they have sharp teeth. 08:51 So after sin and the Fall, 08:54 that's when animals could first start to eat meat. 08:56 So that T-Rex, or some of these other carnivorous dinosaurs, 08:59 they didn't start eating meat 09:00 until after Adam and Eve sinned against God. 09:01 God cursed the ground, He cursed the animals. 09:04 Oh, that serpent. 09:05 A lot of people think that serpent physically changed forms. 09:07 What was the curse to the other animals? 09:09 Was that when sharp teeth, claws, 09:10 things like that came about 09:12 to help them survive the sin-cursed world? 09:13 Yeah, it's possible. 09:14 We leave that option open, of course. 09:16 Of course those things could have been around before that, 09:17 just used for a different purpose now. 09:21 I grew up on a farm. I like to tell people this story. 09:23 When I grew up on a farm, 09:25 there's a lot of squirrels around there 09:26 and squirrels are absolutely cute, little fuzzy creatures. 09:30 But don't grab 'em. 09:33 If you grab 'em, they got these vicious claws. 09:34 - [Janice] Are you speaking from experience? 09:36 - I made that mistake on the farm. 09:38 I grabbed a squirrel one time, 09:39 dumbest thing I've ever done. 09:40 He clawed me, he bit me. 09:42 (group laughing) 09:43 I'm like, "What?" 09:44 Okay, so don't do that. 09:46 - Mom takes you in for a bubonic plague shot or something. 09:48 - That's right. Go check for rabies or something. 09:51 But yeah, the squirrel has some pretty vicious claws, 09:53 has some pretty sharp teeth, 09:54 but what do they use those claws and teeth for? 09:56 - [Janice] Nuts. 09:57 - Yeah. Climbing trees, holding nuts, ripping into nuts. 09:59 Unless you grab one, of course. 10:01 You see, so sometimes we just have this mentality 10:03 if they have some pretty vicious looking things 10:05 that they were vicious creatures, 10:06 but that's not necessarily the case. 10:08 - Good point. 10:09 - Especially before sin and the Fall. 10:10 Now here's a question too. 10:11 Were dinosaurs on Noah Ark? 10:14 - I know you've gotten some criticism 10:17 for showing dinosaurs and humans being together, 10:21 inhabiting the earth at the same time. 10:22 - Yes. Yeah. 10:23 And we have that here at the Creation Museum 10:25 down at the Ark Encounter, of course. 10:27 Yeah. But they were both made on day six. 10:29 Man was made at the same time as land animals. 10:32 They were both made on day six 10:33 so they were living at the same time. 10:35 Now Noah took two of each of the land-dwelling, 10:38 air-breathing kinds on board the Ark. 10:40 That would include dinosaurs. 10:42 They would've been on board the Ark as well. 10:44 I've had people say, 10:45 "Ah, but wouldn't they have been eating everybody 10:47 "and things like that?" 10:48 Well, first off there's cages 10:49 and the Lord brought them to him. 10:51 Originally all the animals were vegetarian 10:53 so maybe Lord brought the animals 10:55 that weren't being so vicious on board the Ark. 10:57 - He could bring babies too, I mean. 10:58 - Yeah. He could. 10:59 Well, most likely juveniles. 11:01 - Or He decided it's time for the T-Rex to hibernate. 11:02 (Janice and Bodie laughing) 11:04 - A lot of animals probably coulda hibernated on the Ark. 11:06 Now these animals, you take the juveniles on board, 11:10 less food, less space, less waste. 11:12 Those are all advantages on board Noah's Ark. 11:14 But yeah, these dinosaurs, 11:16 based on the number of kinds that there were, 11:18 could easily fit on board that gigantic Noah's Ark. 11:21 So yeah, they would've been on the Ark 11:22 and they've also then come off the Ark. 11:24 And what's happened is they've died out 11:26 as a result of the same reasons 11:28 everything else is dying out. 11:30 See, we- 11:32 Yeah, go ahead. 11:33 - One of the first things I noticed of course on this book 11:35 was the gorgeous illustrations, 11:38 but then you can't help but notice that it says, "Dragons." 11:43 - [Bodie] Yes! 11:44 - [Janice] But then the subtitle, 11:45 "Legends and Lore of Dinosaurs." 11:47 - Yes. Yep. 11:48 And you know, there's a connection between that. 11:50 A lot of times- 11:52 - I was hoping you would explain that connection. 11:53 - Yeah. Yeah, we definitely have to get to that. 11:55 So dinosaurs came off the Ark, 11:57 but they weren't called dinosaurs 11:58 when they came off the Ark. 12:00 Dinosaur's actually a new word. 12:02 It was invented in the year 1841. 12:03 - 1800s. - Yeah. 12:05 - Okay. I knew it was mid-1800s. 12:06 - Yeah, a Christian man named Sir Richard Owen 12:08 was the one who came up with the name. 12:09 It means dino. 12:10 Dinosaur- - Terrible lizard, isn't it? 12:11 - Terrible lizard, yeah, or terrifying lizard, 12:14 that sort of thing. 12:15 So dinosaur's a new word 12:17 so you're not gonna find a word like that in the Bible 12:20 or even in old literature. 12:22 So what would dinosaurs have been called? 12:25 - Dragon? 12:26 - Dragon makes the most sense. 12:27 Cultures all the world use the word dragon. 12:29 The word dragon is actually 12:30 in a multitude of different languages. 12:31 We actually list it in the book, 12:33 a lot of these different languages. 12:35 But yeah, if you saw a dinosaur 12:36 you wanted to write about it, 12:37 you'd probably just call it a dragon. 12:38 Now, dragon is more of an overarching term. 12:41 It also included the flying reptiles, the plesiosaurs, 12:44 the water reptiles, it even included things like crocodiles. 12:48 But it also included what we would call dinosaurs. 12:51 Now remember, dinosaurs were very specifically 12:53 defined land creature. 12:54 So that means not all the dragons 12:56 were necessarily a dinosaur, 12:58 but all the dinosaurs could rightly be called a dragon. 13:01 So that's probably what we see 13:02 with a lot of these land dragons back in 13:07 well before the word dinosaur was even invented. 13:09 Did you know the word dragon 13:10 is in the Old Testament 22 times? 13:12 It's in the Geneva Bible 24 times. 13:15 - Didn't know it was that many, no. 13:16 - Yes, indeed. 13:17 - No, I knew it was there, but I never bothered to you know? 13:19 - Yeah, it's quite a few. Sometimes dragon or dragons. 13:20 There's actually two different Hebrew words 13:21 that the translators felt the need to translate as dragon. 13:25 And it's not just one book. 13:27 It's all over throughout the Old Testament. 13:29 And sometimes it's talking about a water dragon, 13:31 like Leviathan is specifically called a dragon, 13:35 but then also we see a land dragon 13:37 that gets trampled over foot. 13:39 So we do see examples of that. 13:41 And like that land one may well have been a dinosaur 13:45 in that instance. 13:47 - I had a friend in junior high that somewhere in that age, 13:51 who began to question his religion, began to question God, 13:57 when he got interested in dinosaurs and fossils 14:01 and studying all of that. 14:02 And he decided that obviously Genesis, 14:06 it didn't happen that way. 14:08 And it was specifically getting into dinosaurs 14:12 that got him out of the church. 14:14 - Yeah. See, dinosaurs are considered an icon of evolution. 14:17 When people think dinosaurs, 14:19 they automatically think millions and billions of years. 14:22 And that's all associated with a different religion 14:24 called secular humanism that has Big Bang, 14:27 millions of years, evolution and all that. 14:29 Dinosaurs almost seem so closely associated with that 14:32 because we're hit with that. 14:34 Whether it's kid's books, technical books, movies. 14:36 Think "Jurassic Park," stuff like that. 14:38 We're drilled with this concept 14:40 and so a lot of times when people start studying dinosaurs, 14:43 they gravitate over to the secular religion 14:45 because most of the literature they're reading on 14:48 is looked at from that religious perspective. 14:50 And see, that's the key. 14:52 When you go back here and you start with the Bible, 14:53 it actually makes sense of dinosaurs, 14:54 it makes sense of dragons, 14:55 and that's a new way of thinking for people 14:57 to leave this other religion 14:59 and get back to God and His Word. 15:01 And so, yeah, I mean, that does happen. 15:02 It happens quite often. 15:03 - And really that's why even many Christians 15:06 have such a problem with the 6,000 year creation 15:09 because we've already been programmed 15:12 of all this other stuff as billions of years. 15:14 - Right. 15:15 - So how do I fit the Bible into that? 15:16 - Right. And that's what's happening. 15:18 I mean, you nailed it. 15:19 These guys, a lot of kids- 15:20 And like I said, I was too. 15:22 I was drilled with the evolution, the millions of years. 15:25 It's tough to suddenly go back and say, 15:26 "Really? God actually created in six days?" 15:29 Well, actually, that's not a problem 15:30 for an all-powerful God. 15:31 And the 10 Commandments actually says 15:33 why He did it in six days. 15:34 It was a basis for our work week. 15:36 Work six days and you rest for a seventh day. 15:38 So ultimately a weekend is a Christian thing, 15:40 I want you to understand that. 15:41 The world tends to borrow that from us. 15:43 But that's why we have a week. 15:46 That actually goes back to the early pages of the Bible. 15:50 You see, when we start with the Bible, 15:52 it makes sense of all sorts of things. 15:54 It makes sense why we're wearing clothes. 15:55 It makes sense why there's death and suffering in the world. 15:57 It also makes sense of dinosaurs. 15:59 When we start with the Bible, boom, it makes sense of this. 16:02 But a lot of kids are drilled with that secular religion 16:05 and they don't know what the Bible teaches. 16:08 If you're not- 16:09 Let me just talk to an audience out there for just a moment. 16:12 If you're not familiar 16:14 with what the Bible teaches on this subject, 16:15 here's what I suggest. 16:16 Go back to Genesis and read Genesis 1 to 11. 16:20 It's 11 chapters. It's not very far. 16:22 You can probably read it in just, 16:22 in a matter of minutes actually. 16:25 But that actually lays the groundwork. 16:28 A perfect God makes a perfect creation. 16:30 We fell into sin and that's why we need a Savior. 16:33 But that right there lays that true history 16:36 going all the way up through the Tower of Babel. 16:39 So that's what I wanna encourage people to do, 16:40 if you're not familiar with it anyway. 16:43 (relaxing music) 16:44 - During my college years, I became a staunch evolutionist. 16:47 I was convinced that we all arose from some primordial ooze. 16:51 I bought into every argument my professor set before me. 16:55 It wasn't until years later that I really realized 16:58 there are actually credible arguments 17:00 for intelligent design. 17:02 I have a pamphlet I think you'll enjoy. 17:04 It's called, "Evolution Impossible." 17:06 If your story's like mine, 17:08 go to talkingdonkeyinternational.org 17:10 for your free copy today 17:11 and request offer number 104, "Evolution Impossible." 17:18 - Now you said that you are continuing research. 17:22 This won't be your last book on dinosaurs. 17:25 - No, in fact, 17:26 I've got some lectures recorded on the subject as well. 17:28 I'm in the process right now 17:29 of working on a dinosaur question, answer book. 17:32 A lot of the questions that people have. 17:33 What day were dinosaurs created? 17:35 What did they originally eat? 17:37 Questions like that. 17:38 And I actually write it out so that people can follow it. 17:41 Now, this book is absolutely brilliant. 17:43 However, it's different. 17:44 It's not like a Q and A book. 17:46 This is a great family book. 17:47 It's got the foldouts and the flips 17:49 and different accounts of dragon encounters. 17:52 And a lot of these dragon encounters, 17:54 the descriptions are very similar to creatures 17:56 that we would call dinosaurs. 17:58 So I think that's actually fascinating. 18:00 But you can see the flips. 18:02 This book actually made 18:03 the top 200 children's books in America, 18:05 but at the same time, it really is a great family book. 18:08 Like where is the word dragon found in the Bible? 18:09 There's a number of them here. 18:12 - Bodie, you've also gone back into history 18:14 and the Dark Ages and found those stories 18:16 that talk about- 18:17 - Yes. 18:18 - Dragons and things and those accounts sound pretty real. 18:22 - Yeah, they really are. 18:23 And these are respected historians 18:25 that are talking about all sorts of different things. 18:26 Like Herodotus was a famous Greek historian 18:30 living about the fifth century BC, 18:32 and he comments on certain dragons in his day, 18:35 actually gives them descriptions of some of these. 18:38 We find it all throughout history, 18:40 we find 'em in North Africa, we find 'em in the Middle East, 18:42 we find 'em in Europe, 18:44 we even find 'em in places like South America. 18:46 I've been down to Peru 18:47 and they got these different rocks and textiles 18:49 and things like that 18:50 that have dinosaur, dragon-like creatures on 'em, 18:53 pottery, things like that too. 18:54 - Yeah, it seems like if I'm in a cave 18:56 and I'm painting in my cave and my wall art 19:01 and I paint a dragon that I'm killing- 19:03 - [Bodie] I think he wants to live in a cave. 19:04 (group laughing) 19:06 - But I've painted a dragon maybe that I've killed that day 19:09 or my friends, we killed that week, 19:11 that tends to actually put some credence 19:13 towards that's real. 19:15 They were contemporary with people. 19:17 - Right. They were drawing things that they'd seen. 19:19 And we see this. 19:20 Like if somebody sees a cattle or a bison 19:23 or something up on the wall or some sort of a cat, 19:27 they don't think, "Oh, these guys have never seen." 19:29 - You don't question whether it was real or mythical. 19:31 - Of course they see it's real. 19:32 And then all of a sudden you see something 19:33 that looks kinda like a sauropod or a flying reptile 19:36 or, "Boy, that looks like a dinosaur or dragon," 19:39 all of a sudden, "Oh, no, that's myth. 19:41 "They just came up with that." 19:42 - That was millions of years ago. 19:44 Couldn't be contemporary. 19:45 - Right. 19:48 - I know that as Christians, we believe, 19:50 okay, all land animals created on day six, 19:53 not millions of years. 19:55 - Right. 19:56 - What evidence, what clues has God left us, 20:00 whether it's the fossil record or something else, 20:03 that you know you can hang your faith on that? 20:06 - Yeah, well, I mean, the Bible's actually, 20:08 that's where we hang our faith. 20:09 God in His Word is always absolute. 20:10 - True, but God doesn't ask us to just, 20:12 usually doesn't ask us to believe. 20:14 It's not a blind faith. - It's not a blind faith. 20:15 Right. - You know? 20:16 There's plenty of evidence out there. 20:18 - We see a lot of evidences that are a confirmation. 20:21 And one of the biggest evidences we see 20:22 is misinterpreted by the secular world, 20:24 that is the fossil record. 20:26 We sometimes see miles deep of these fossil layers. 20:29 And of course, we've had fossil layers since the Flood, 20:31 but most of these are from the Flood of Noah's day. 20:34 Here's Noah floatin' around up above it 20:35 when everything's being laid down 20:37 in all these different layers down below 20:39 which solidify into solid rock. 20:41 Now out of those different layers, three of those layers, 20:43 the Cretaceous, Triassic, and Jurassic rock, those layers- 20:47 - They're the most Interesting. 20:48 - Yeah, those are the ones 20:49 that contain a lot of these dinosaurs and flying reptiles 20:51 and things like that. 20:52 As soon as you find one, 20:53 it's classified as one of those three rocks. 20:55 Now, those were actually laid down at the time of Noah. 20:59 But see, we're in a culture 21:00 where the world has influenced people to think 21:02 those rock layers were laid down slowly and gradually 21:05 over millions and billions of years 21:07 of slow gradual processes. 21:08 They basically assume 21:10 there were no major catastrophes in the past, 21:12 and that doesn't make any sense 21:13 because we get catastrophes all the time. 21:14 - Uniformitarianism, that everything, 21:16 the rate it's happening today 21:17 is the rate it's always happened. 21:18 - Right! Now, we also find other pieces of evidence as well. 21:21 We see a lot of what we call petroglyphs, 21:23 cave drawings, etchings, things like that. 21:25 These are phenomenal confirmations of this. 21:28 We find some of this up at Lake Superior. 21:29 We find it Havasupai Canyon, 21:32 one of the side canyons off the Grand Canyon 21:33 has a dragon, dinosaur-like creature on it. 21:37 Bishop Bell, 21:39 he died over in England about the year 1500. 21:43 He's buried in the church 21:44 and there's this brass part that goes up around his grave, 21:48 and if you zoom up to it, you see all sorts of animals. 21:50 You'd recognize these animals just like that. 21:52 And then all of a sudden 21:53 you see a couple that are like dinosaurs 21:55 and you're like, "Whoa, where did that come from?" 21:56 (Janice laughing) 21:56 But I mean, we see this. 21:58 There's ancient flags with dragons on it, 22:00 the Welsh flag, a very famous flag. 22:02 It's an ancient flag and that's got a dragon on it. 22:05 - Can I interrupt you just for a second? 22:06 - Yeah, sure. 22:07 - And this fellow, 22:10 they painted everything perfectly. 22:13 How did they know? 22:14 - Right. 22:15 - I mean, there were no video cameras 22:17 to capture something from a million years ago. 22:20 - Right. 22:20 - So how did they know? 22:21 - They had to see it! 22:22 That was the key. - They had to see it. Exactly. 22:24 - When I was in Peru, we'd had different tour guides. 22:26 And these tour guides, 22:27 when they were talking about some of the artwork, 22:28 they would consistently make this point: 22:30 "They only drew things they saw. 22:32 "They only drew things they saw. 22:33 "They only drew things they saw." 22:34 I mean, that was drilled into me. 22:36 And then all of a sudden, we'd see some pottery 22:37 that had this dragon, dinosaur-like creature on it 22:40 and you're like, and they're like, 22:41 "Yeah, we don't know." 22:42 (Janice and Jim laughing) 22:43 See all of a sudden, 22:44 it seems like because that didn't fit the narrative, 22:46 it didn't fit the worldview. 22:48 Now, I've had people come and say, 22:49 "But Bodie, dragons are myth. 22:51 "They're not real." 22:52 Now, movies like "How to Train Your Dragon" 22:54 or even things like "Harry Potter" or "Lord of the Rings," 22:57 the dragons that appear on those, 22:58 those are pure make-believe. 22:59 They're not real dragons. 23:01 Now, when you look back in the past though, 23:02 people viewed dragons as real creatures. 23:04 From historians, anatomists, 23:06 commentators going all the way back in the past, 23:08 they viewed 'em as real. 23:09 It wasn't till the early-1900s 23:11 and just some time leading up to that, 23:13 people started to say, "Well, you know what? 23:15 "We don't see these things anymore. 23:17 "Maybe they're a myth." 23:19 And that's what happened instead of saying, 23:21 "Well, they finally died out 23:22 "like everything else seems to be dying out," 23:25 they went with this concept of, "Well, they're a myth." 23:28 Now, we've had all sorts of things dying out. 23:30 In fact, imagine how many things would've went extinct 23:32 if we wouldn't have enacted the Endangered Species List 23:34 in the early 1970s. 23:36 We probably wouldn't have eagles, hawks, tigers, lions. 23:40 A lot of bears would probably be extinct. 23:41 - [Janice] Condor. 23:42 - Yeah, all sorts of things would be extinct. 23:44 Rhinocer- Elephants may well be extinct. 23:46 We might be sittin' here debating 23:48 whether all those things were a myth too. 23:50 You see, we sometimes don't realize that. 23:52 - [Jim] Good point. 23:53 - But yeah. 23:54 I mean, these things were around 23:55 all the way up to that time when they finally died out. 23:58 - So let me ask you this in the couple minutes we have left. 24:02 What do you tell people about 24:03 what does this have to do with their faith? 24:05 - Hey, you know what? 24:06 I like to use dinosaurs as a springboard 24:08 to tell people the truth about Jesus. 24:10 And here's how I like to do that. 24:12 I like to explain, 24:13 "Okay, the Bible makes sense of dinosaurs. 24:15 "The Bible makes sense of dragons. 24:16 "But guess what? The Bible's also a book of history. 24:19 "It's not a history textbook, history is a good thing. 24:21 "History textbooks and science textbooks 24:23 "change all the time. 24:24 "The Bible's always the same. 24:26 "But you know what? 24:27 "The Bible contains massive amounts of history. 24:29 "It's the true history. 24:30 "And guess what? 24:32 "When the Bible makes sense of dinosaurs and dragons, 24:33 "guess what? 24:35 "That message of the gospel found in that same history 24:36 "is also true." 24:37 So we can use that as a springboard 24:39 to talk about the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, 24:41 what He did with His death, burial, and resurrection. 24:45 - Amen. 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(Bodie laughing) 26:41 And the moment that we're done here, 26:44 I'm probably just gonna sit here and read. 26:46 Although I should pay for the book first, you think? 26:49 I think that'd be a good idea. 26:50 - It's a great book, so. 26:52 - I love having scientists who can tie that into the gospel 26:58 and show why it's actually important 26:59 that we know why we believe what we do 27:03 and that God doesn't leave us clueless. 27:05 - Right. 27:06 - He doesn't leave us going, 27:08 "Well, it's what the Bible says. 27:10 "I guess I have to believe it." 27:12 You really are, if you look around at the world 27:14 and you study science, you're without excuse. 27:17 - Yes. 27:18 - Just like it says in the New Testament. 27:20 - Yeah. Yeah, you really are. 27:21 - There's enough evidence out there, you're without excuse. 27:23 - That's right. And you know what? 27:25 I wanna encourage people who are watching this, 27:27 this might be a new subject to you. 27:29 Go back and study it. 27:30 We just scratched the surface. 27:31 We're just starting. 27:32 - Yeah. 27:33 - And there's so much more to this. 27:34 You can always get the book, 27:36 you can always hop on our website, answersingenesis.org, 27:39 type in dinosaurs. 27:40 There's so much information. 27:41 You can spend millions of years on our website. 27:43 (group laughing) 27:44 But 27:46 there's so much to learn 27:47 and I wanna encourage people to dive into that subject, 27:49 especially if you're new to it. 27:51 - Well, thank you for scratching the surface with us today. 27:53 - You bet. God bless you guys. 27:54 - Thank you very much. 27:55 (relaxing instrumental music) 27:56 Thank you for watching. 27:58 Join us again for another exciting "Country Wisdom." 28:00 - See you next time. 28:02 (Janice clicking) 28:06 (relaxing instrumental music continues) |
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