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00:01 Welcome to "For Guys Only,"
00:02 a program that deals with a topic 00:04 specifically targeted for the urban man. 00:07 I'm Pastor William Lee, 00:08 and I'm so thankful that you've joined us today. 00:09 I want to encourage you 00:11 as we go into our broadcast and make sure that 00:13 your children are around, 00:14 because we're going to deal with a subject 00:16 that is so critical again, ministering to urban youth. 00:37 Gentlemen, thank you all so much 00:39 for being here once again. 00:40 We have been covering topics that, 00:43 I mean, are just been so rich, 00:44 as relates to ministry and to the urban man. 00:47 I want to begin this program we've done before 00:50 and just begin with a word of prayer. 00:52 So, Muta, would you pray for us as we get started today? 00:55 Yes. Let's pray. 00:57 Our Father God, we just thank You 00:58 for being here again today. 01:00 I pray that Your Holy Spirit may just guide the words 01:04 that are coming out of our mouths, Lord. 01:05 Let them, let insight come out 01:08 and let it be all to Your honor and glory. 01:11 In Christ's name we pray. 01:12 Amen. Amen. Good. 01:14 Just, you know, as a quick introduction, 01:16 we have with us Brandon Dent, 01:18 which is a retired business executive, 01:21 worked for a number of years in the automotive industry. 01:24 And now you're also, you own your own company. 01:25 That's right. 01:27 And it's good to have you, Brandon. 01:28 Dr. King, a pleasure as always, you are a clinical psychologist 01:32 as I understand, and you've also been 01:34 a trained theologian at one point as well. 01:37 And we are thankful for you. 01:40 Muta as well, praise God for you being here. 01:42 I know you work with a ministry called Elijah 3. 01:44 Yes. 01:46 That specifically deals 01:47 with ministering to urban youth. 01:48 Yes. 01:50 So we are looking definitely for insight today. 01:52 Young people face major challenges 01:56 in our world today. 01:57 As we talk about ministering to them, myself, 01:59 you know, I've pastored young people 02:01 for several years now. 02:03 And I know, I know the challenges 02:05 that they're facing right now. 02:07 Let's begin to have a dialogue, trying to, kind of, you know, 02:11 talking about these challenges, and then ways that 02:13 we can effectively minister to them today. 02:17 Dr. King, kind of give us a historical perspective, 02:20 if you would as relates to, you know, 02:22 ministering to urban youth 02:23 and the challenges that they face today. 02:25 Certainly. 02:26 You know, times have changed, the challenges that we had 02:29 growing up are very different today. 02:32 We're in the age of social media, 02:37 where there's all kinds of temptations 02:41 and devices that are easily accessible. 02:46 There's a whole issue of peer pressure of... 02:49 If youth has a peer group who's trying to get him or her 02:54 to pursue a certain course of action, 02:58 and that can be extremely stressful. 03:00 There's substance abuse issues. 03:03 I'm going to talk a little about that 03:04 later on in this broadcast, 03:06 just a variety of substances that are easily 03:10 and readily available. 03:13 There's issues with depression, 03:16 there's issues with bullying, 03:19 suicide, homicide, 03:22 and the list goes on and on and on. 03:25 It's never ending, it's never ending. 03:27 Absolutely. 03:28 We recognize that the same devil 03:31 that was there from the fall, 03:34 where Adam and Eve fell, is still here today. 03:37 And it seems that 03:38 he is doubling his efforts today, 03:39 especially as it relates to young people. 03:43 You know, even though they're facing 03:45 these challenges of magnitude proportions, 03:48 you know, we believe that 03:50 they still can be reached by the gospel of Jesus Christ. 03:55 So let's kind of, you know, talk a little bit about, again, 03:58 these issues for instance, let's take for instance, music. 04:02 Let's start there, music is, 04:04 it moves you and, Brandon, I know you know this. 04:06 You have a musical background yourself. 04:08 Music has the power to move people, 04:11 you know, in a positive way, and also in a negative way. 04:15 How do you see music affecting our young people today? 04:19 Well, you said it, 04:21 music is a very powerful medium. 04:23 Once you are in its presence, 04:26 you really have no power to resist its impact. 04:31 And that's a very important piece. 04:34 When you are in its presence, 04:37 it does not ask your permission to enter your soul. 04:40 For example, I have been in the grocery store. 04:44 Now the Lord knows I'm only there to shop. 04:47 And they'll play some song from way back 04:49 when I was dating and while I was young, 04:53 and it will immediately bring back to the surface 04:57 and I'm sure Dr. King, can appreciate that 05:01 and why that happens. 05:02 I don't know why, he's the doctor but, 05:04 what I do know is it brings back 05:06 all those emotions, all those feelings 05:08 from way back then. 05:10 I don't even want to go there. 05:12 I have not asked to go there. 05:15 But because of the power of this medium, 05:17 it has taken me there without my consent. 05:19 So it's very powerful and the devil knows that. 05:22 As a matter of fact, 05:24 he was in charge of music in heaven, right? 05:26 So we know that he has a mastery there, 05:29 he knows its power, its impact. 05:31 It was designed to take heavenly beings 05:34 and raise their level of appreciation for God. 05:37 That's how powerful it is. 05:39 And so he uses that to take our young people 05:43 and take their emotions to places that 05:46 they're not supposed to go. 05:47 Yeah, that's powerful that you connected music 05:50 with the devil, especially Lucifer, 05:52 as it says in Isaiah 14, and Ezekiel 28, 05:55 because the Bible uses this word 05:58 for tabrets in the Hebrew that kind of gives you 06:01 the inclination that there was a pipe, 06:04 there were pipes, 06:05 little pipes built inside of the devil, 06:08 where he had this great musical ability 06:11 from the Hebrew sense of the word. 06:13 So we recognize that "Yes, 06:15 he's involved in music in this generation as well." 06:19 See, and you're absolutely right. 06:22 The subconscious mind is extremely powerful 06:26 as Brandon quite rightly said. 06:30 The power of music doesn't need your permission. 06:35 You know, there is a reason 06:36 why the advertising slots for the commercials 06:41 for the upcoming Superbowl are sold out. 06:44 So businesses are paying $3 million 06:50 for a 30 second slot just to get their message out 06:55 because they know if you're watching the game, 06:58 and you're tuned in, and you're focused, 07:02 all they need is 30 seconds 07:04 just to slip that message in there. 07:07 And music has also utilized that exact same avenue, 07:12 which is why a number of the rap stars 07:17 and rockers are so successful. 07:20 My son loves Kanye. 07:22 Okay. You know, he idolizes him. 07:24 He talks about his ability to put words together 07:28 in such a poetic and theatrical manner. 07:33 And he refers to him as a genius. 07:36 And I actually listened to one of his songs 07:38 and I had to blush. 07:40 A lot of that stuff 07:41 is going past the conscious mind, 07:44 into the subconscious mind. 07:46 Muta, can I talk about, from your perspective, 07:48 especially as you minister to urban young people 07:51 in your sphere of ministry, you know, 07:53 what has music done in their minds, 07:56 or in their own personal lives. 07:57 You know, especially, has it build them up, 07:59 or tore them down, 08:01 what's happening as related to music? 08:04 In our last episode, I believe, previous episodes, 08:09 we talked about mentorship, 08:11 and how there is a lack of men 08:14 in the lives of our young people. 08:17 Well, in one regard, yes, in another regard, no, 08:22 because now music has taken over as the mentor. 08:27 So a lot of these artists, 08:28 they may not be physically present 08:30 with these young people, but they're emotionally, 08:34 spiritually, and audially present with them. 08:39 And they're listening to them every day, 08:42 and they're being indoctrinated every day. 08:46 And so as they grow, the music now becomes 08:50 their teacher, their leader, their pastor. 08:53 Wow, wow, their pastor. 08:56 That definitely reaches. 08:57 You know, I'll never forget, you know, when I was... 08:58 My first year of college 09:00 before I really took the call to go 09:02 into ministry, I was at Tuskegee University 09:05 in Tuskegee, Alabama, and in the cafeteria, 09:08 they were playing, you know, this thing called the box 09:11 where it was music videos all day from breakfast, 09:13 you know, lunch, dinner, 09:15 they were playing music videos all day long. 09:17 And I'll never forget, you know, me sitting there, 09:20 not consciously remembering the words to the song. 09:24 But I was walking to class one day, 09:26 and I can hear in the faint distance 09:28 across the campus, you know, this beat, 09:30 this song that 09:31 I had not tried to learn the music 09:34 or the words to. 09:35 And as I'm walking across campus, 09:36 it's like, wow, I'm able to recite, 09:39 I mean, I shocked myself. 09:41 I was like, "Where did that come from? 09:42 How did I know the words to this song 09:45 when I did not sit down and say, 'Okay, 09:47 I'm gonna learn this song.'" 09:50 Music is so powerful. 09:52 And I think that, you know, 09:53 we need to give a word of caution 09:56 to our young people 09:58 that you don't want music to take you places 10:00 where God would not be pleased. 10:03 And I think that's absolutely critical for us to understand. 10:06 What are some of the other avenues 10:08 that are affecting our young people today? 10:12 Well, Dr. King really gave us 10:14 a pretty good introduction on some of those areas, 10:19 things like drug abuse, sex and sexuality. 10:23 Also, self-mutilation I call it, 10:27 and that's piercings, tattoos. 10:30 Devil gets them thinking that 10:31 it's cool to deface the image of God. 10:34 They're really into that, kids are getting into cutting. 10:37 And I don't, 10:38 I can't even begin to understand 10:40 why and how that happens 10:41 so it just doesn't seem pleasurable to me. 10:44 I'm glad we have a doctor on the program here, 10:48 who maybe can shed some light on that. 10:50 Because I've heard that from other parents too. 10:51 Yeah. 10:53 So when parents don't even understand 10:55 how or why someone would get into that, 10:57 they become unsuspecting. 11:00 Because if it doesn't make sense to me, 11:02 I just assume it won't make sense to my child. 11:04 So perhaps we could benefit 11:06 from better understanding that subject. 11:08 Yeah, yeah. 11:09 Sure, cutting is an activity that a number of youth 11:14 are engaged in for various reasons. 11:17 And for those who are watching, you know, 11:18 cutting is essentially using any sharp instrument, 11:22 it could be a knife, it could be a blade, 11:25 but anything that can create an incision 11:29 that will produce blood, as well as elicit pain. 11:34 That is the definition of cutting, 11:36 and a number of youth are doing that as I mentioned, 11:39 for various reasons, some of them are very angry. 11:42 And this is sort of a reaction to dealing with your anger. 11:47 If I can take the anger out on myself, 11:51 if I can feel it, then I can release it. 11:55 Also, it's their way of controlling the pain 12:00 that has been inflicted. 12:02 You know, that is within their control 12:04 to inflict their own pain on themselves. 12:06 And in a weird way, 12:09 it provides a measure of relief to them. 12:12 Wow. 12:14 The cutting is not a suicidal attempt, 12:17 although sometimes it can end up 12:20 as a suicidal attempt. 12:22 Wow. 12:23 And, you know, parents need to be aware, 12:26 they need to look at their teenagers, 12:28 look at their bodies, because quite often 12:31 those kids are suffering in silence 12:32 and parents don't know. 12:34 That's amazing. 12:37 I mean, these vices, and these things 12:40 that our young people are facing, 12:42 they seem challenging. 12:44 I mean, almost, to the point where it's like, 12:48 will they submit themselves to God 12:51 and allow God to take full control 12:54 or will they allow society to mold and to shape them? 12:57 You look at, for instance, basketball, 12:59 I mean, it seems as 13:01 if I can't tell you what year it happened but, 13:04 you know, every basketball player 13:06 with the exception of a few, you know, 13:08 they're tattooed up, you know, on their neck, you know, 13:11 across their face, you know, all over. 13:14 And, you know, in the church, 13:15 especially our young people are seeing these things, 13:18 they're being exposed to it. 13:19 And now, they have now almost a proclivity to say, 13:22 "You know what, 13:23 I want to experience this as well, 13:24 I want to test, you know, the same things 13:27 that's been exposed to in the world." 13:29 And I think, especially as parents, 13:31 and as we minister to black men, 13:33 we need to make a stand, you know, 13:36 and show them really God's way and show them, you know, 13:39 the best way to walk every step of the way. 13:42 I want to talk a little bit about a substance abuse. 13:45 Now I know that this is prevalent, 13:48 extremely prevalent in our world today. 13:51 And, Dr. King, I know you have some very practical things 13:54 you can share with our viewers today 13:56 as related to substance abuse. 13:58 But, you know, even before I do that, 14:01 marijuana is a frequently abused drug. 14:05 And we still don't understand or still haven't been 14:09 able to quantify the number of chemicals 14:12 that are contained in marijuana. 14:15 And I am oftentimes amazed 14:18 when I hear people campaigning for the legality of marijuana, 14:24 when I know that we don't even understand 14:26 some of the chemical compositions in marijuana. 14:30 Alcohol as we know is frequently abused. 14:32 Prescription medication is readily available 14:36 in most medicine cabinets, 14:38 and parents need to be aware of that. 14:42 However, it seemed as though 14:43 we've entered into a new age of substances. 14:47 Some of them are actually sold at gas stations, 14:51 smoke shops, 14:53 and some of them are even contained 14:55 in our own household. 14:56 Let me give you a couple of examples. 15:01 You know what this is, right? 15:03 All right. This is just a dust remover. 15:07 And this is actually used to clean the keyboard 15:10 of a computer. 15:12 However, if you were to ingest this, 15:16 if you were to spray this up your nostril, 15:19 it goes immediately to your brain. 15:22 I actually had a client who did that. 15:25 And within seconds, he passed out. 15:28 Wow. And had to be hospitalized. 15:31 So parents need to be aware that this could be well, 15:35 actually, this is called huffing. 15:38 So this is a deadly device. Wow. 15:45 And what's amazing about this one is that, 15:48 I mean, this is just a spray that 15:50 you use to clean off your computer. 15:52 Absolutely. Just clean your keyboard off? 15:53 Innocuous. Pretty innocuous. 15:55 So most households have this spray? 15:58 Absolutely. Okay. 16:00 Absolutely. Okay. 16:01 And again, you do that, you can easily pass out. 16:04 Okay. Okay. 16:08 Here we go. 16:10 Energy brownie. Say it again now. 16:13 Energy brownie. Energy brownie. 16:15 And this was purchased at a local gas station. 16:19 It's not illegal, it's easily obtainable. 16:23 And if you're driving, 16:25 or you have to drive long distances, 16:27 it makes perfect sense, at least what one will think, 16:30 to stop at a gas station, 16:32 which we oftentimes do, 16:33 and we're looking for something to pick me up, 16:36 to get me to go that extra mile. 16:39 And if you're not aware, 16:40 especially if you like chocolates, 16:42 a brownie, you can easily purchase this stuff. 16:46 But when you read the fine print, 16:48 you know, it contains amphetamine type properties. 16:53 And, you know, sort of a layman's explanation 16:57 to that is some of the same substances 17:00 that are in marijuana, and that are in crack cocaine. 17:05 And so by eating this, what it does, 17:08 it can increase your heart rate, 17:10 it can elevate your blood pressure, 17:13 and it can give you a jolt. 17:15 And this can make you go hours 17:17 and hours without feeling hungry. 17:20 Wow. But it is also deadly. 17:23 If you take enough of this, it can cause confusion, 17:27 disorientation, paranoia, and even death. 17:32 Very simple, but it can be very deadly. 17:35 Wow. Now let me ask you a question. 17:36 Because, I mean, parents are thinking right now 17:39 that, you know, my child goes to the gas station, 17:42 and they may mistake a brownie, you know, 17:45 a little Debbie brownie for this energy brownie. 17:48 You know, just not knowing, I don't know, just not knowing, 17:51 is this something that you have to be 17:52 18 or 21 and older to purchase? 17:54 No. No, no, you can purchase this. 17:56 But if you read the fine print very carefully, 17:59 it says, "For adults only. 18:03 Not suitable for children." 18:06 But it's in the fine print. 18:08 But children can still buy it? Absolutely. 18:10 Wow. And it's perfectly legal. 18:11 Wow. 18:13 If you see the little image on there, too. 18:15 It's a cartoon, something that my son 18:17 would walk in and say, "Daddy, I want that." 18:20 So who are they marketing it to? 18:22 Wow. Absolutely. 18:23 Wow. Absolutely. 18:25 That's serious. 18:28 And then I've got a couple of good ones here for you. 18:31 This is the famous K2 18:35 and it looks like a little herbal seed. 18:44 We have found ways 18:45 of snorting this, crushing it up, 18:49 putting it on food, putting it in drink. 18:53 And contained in here... 18:56 This is what is called synthetic marijuana. 19:01 It is loaded with amphetamines. 19:04 Some of the same substances 19:05 that are contained in crack cocaine 19:08 and also marijuana. 19:11 And so if you snort enough of this or ingest it, 19:16 it can lead to confusion, 19:18 disorientation, and again, death. 19:22 This is highly addictive. 19:24 And what that simply means 19:26 is that once you get that first hit, 19:29 it feels so good. 19:31 There's almost no substitute for it. 19:34 But the catch is that you need to use more 19:38 to get the same effect. 19:40 And this is also sold online and in the local smoke shop. 19:45 It's called K2. 19:47 And then this is potpourri. 19:50 Potpourri. Potpourri. 19:51 Like house potpourri? But not household potpourri. 19:54 Okay. You may think it is. 19:56 It has the name and it looks very similar 19:59 and that's the catch. 20:00 So you may be tempted to purchase this and use it, 20:05 you know, to burn sort of like sweet smelling 20:08 incense in your bedroom at night. 20:11 But it is very addictive, and also produces 20:15 some of the same effects as K2 20:18 and contained in this little vial 20:21 also is another variation of K2. 20:27 The cost of this is $13.99, $14. 20:31 So once again, you can crush it, 20:33 you can snort it, you can drink it, 20:36 you can ingest it, 20:38 but you need more and more and more to enjoy the same high 20:43 that you get after the very first hit. 20:46 In 2010, in one state Poison Control 20:52 received 236 calls. 20:55 Halfway through 2011, 20:58 they had already received 251 calls of people 21:02 who became disoriented after ingesting 21:06 or using one of these substances. 21:08 Wow, wow, wow. 21:12 Dr. King, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm... 21:14 As I'm seeing like, I'm blown away, 21:17 because I'm thinking to myself that, 21:19 you know, a parent that does not know, 21:22 you know, these facts 21:23 that you just shared with us and they walk into a bedroom 21:26 and they see potpourri, and they think to themselves, 21:27 "Oh, well, good, my child is, you know, trying to clean, 21:30 you know, make their room smell better," you know, 21:33 they may just put on the facade, you know. 21:35 I'm almost troubled, 21:37 what do we do right, at this stage right now, 21:40 you know, to educate ourselves and to prevent, 21:44 you know, as best as possible our children 21:47 from going down this track? 21:48 You know, sort of look like 21:50 what I did with a group of teenagers. 21:53 I invited them over, 21:55 and just had a frank discussion with them about the products 21:58 that are available, 22:00 and how these different chemicals 22:03 can affect our brain functioning, 22:06 and can induce personality changes. 22:10 And just having a frank discussion with them, 22:12 because the more we try to hide, 22:15 or the more we try to deny, 22:17 the greater the problem becomes. 22:19 Okay. What do you say because... 22:22 For anyone that, you know, 22:24 is addicted to one of the things 22:26 that we've talked about so far, 22:28 whether it's music, whether it's peer pressure, 22:31 whether it's substance abuse or alcohol, you know, 22:34 we know the Bible says that we can do all things 22:36 through Christ who gives us strength. 22:38 But to the viewer that's watching right now, 22:40 what do we say to that viewer 22:42 who they know that their son or their daughter 22:45 is addicted to one of these drugs 22:48 or even has the proclivity to take these drugs as well, 22:51 or again, our music, 22:53 that's leading them away from God? 22:55 What do we tell a parent, you know, in this sense, 22:58 or a guardian for that matter? 23:00 I think that there is both clinical help that, 23:06 in many cases is needed, and spiritual. 23:10 Sometimes, as Christian folks, 23:13 we will take the latter path, 23:17 and not fully appreciate the need 23:20 for that practical path, practical clinical help. 23:24 I think we have to do both. 23:26 And get, start getting the things 23:31 in place in the child 23:32 so that they can start taking practical steps 23:36 towards recovery. 23:38 But the spiritual piece 23:41 has to kind of come in and replace. 23:45 Because if... 23:47 As you know, pastor, 23:48 there is a story in the Bible of a man 23:51 who was delivered of a demon. 23:54 And that demon goes out, finds no home 23:57 and someone else comes back, finds them clean, but empty. 24:00 Clean, that's a good thing. 24:02 Empty, bad thing. 24:04 And so it gets seven other demons 24:06 and repossesses the man. 24:09 So when we take practical steps to get clean, 24:12 we have to, at the same time, 24:14 be bringing in the spiritual peace to fill, 24:17 occupy that space with divine light, 24:20 because light and darkness cannot occupy the same space. 24:23 Absolutely. Well spoken. 24:25 Yeah, and I love how you said that. 24:27 I just want to say it again, 24:28 especially because that story is so powerful 24:30 that it's one thing to clean a house 24:33 and I think so many times 24:34 as we minister to young people, you know, whether we do it, 24:37 you know, intentionally or not, you know, we always say, 24:39 you know, "Get rid of it, 24:41 just you know that music is not of God, 24:43 take that music, throw it away." 24:45 You know, even when we had, 24:46 you know, parties at church where, 24:48 you know, we had big trash cans 24:49 and we have people throw their music away and say, 24:51 "You know what, that's not of God," 24:52 and we know that. 24:53 But in the challenge that you just spoke of, Brandon, 24:55 is that oftentimes 24:57 we don't have them replace the bad 25:00 when they swept the house with the good. 25:03 And we can do even a deeper injustice 25:06 if we don't replace, 25:08 you know the bad with the good 25:11 and ask what God really wants us to understand, 25:13 especially as we minister to urban youth. 25:17 I just wanted to sort of quickly go through the, 25:20 for the parent who may be suspicious 25:23 that a child has an addiction. 25:25 What are some signs and symptoms, 25:27 how do you know? 25:29 Glossy eyes, inappropriate laughter, 25:33 spots or sores around the person's mouth, 25:36 the child appears to be dazed or dizzy, 25:39 decreased appetite, excessive sleepiness, 25:44 sudden changes in personality. 25:46 And, you know, 25:47 that this is not the way your child is. 25:49 But there's just a sudden 25:51 inexplicable change in personality, 25:54 unable to account for large sums of money. 25:59 Paraphernalia around the house like blades, roach clips, 26:04 rolling paper, bottles, 26:07 or little cans, or little pipes, 26:11 depression, loneliness, isolation, 26:15 all those are classical signs that, 26:17 you know, something just is not right. 26:21 And so what do you do? 26:22 As Brandon quite rightly said, you seek help. 26:26 You seek spiritual help, 26:28 and you seek psychological help. 26:30 Help is certainly available, and parents must be willing 26:35 to reach out and ask for help. 26:38 Okay, okay. Where do we go? 26:41 If a parent wants to know like, "Right now my kid, you know, 26:44 has this alcohol problem, where do I turn to?" 26:48 There is a number of resources. 26:51 Unfortunately, 26:52 most of these are outside the church. 26:56 Community mental health agencies. 26:59 There's various substance abuse agencies 27:02 that are set up with the intention 27:04 of providing assistance. 27:07 There's various social work agencies also. 27:09 Okay. 27:10 The National Institute on substance 27:12 and Drug Abuse has a wide array of resources 27:16 that are available. 27:18 Okay, okay. 27:19 So we want parents to get help, and to do it right away. 27:23 Absolutely. This has been good. 27:25 I mean, our time is already up. 27:27 You know, amazingly, 27:28 I mean, time has just flown by extremely fast. 27:31 What I want to share, you know, 27:32 in the last 30 seconds or so, is this promise, 27:35 this text that God says 27:37 He will do for us in Ezekiel 36. 27:39 Bible says Ezekiel 36:25, Bible says, 27:41 "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, 27:44 and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, 27:47 from all your idols, I will cleanse you. 27:50 And a new heart also will I give you, 27:52 and a new spirit I will put within you, 27:55 I will take away the stony heart of your flesh, 27:59 and I will give you a heart of flesh." 28:01 Amen. 28:03 My friends, the Bible says that God is the one 28:05 that would give us the new heart 28:06 and He is the one 28:08 that will take the desires away. 28:10 Trust Him. 28:12 But not only trust God but seek help 28:14 as well whether it be clinically 28:15 or in the church as well. 28:17 Let's make sure that we are effectively ministering 28:20 to our youth today. 28:22 Until next time, I'm Pastor William Lee, 28:23 sorry, time has run out, but we'll see you next time. 28:26 God bless you. 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