For Guys Only

Three Angels Broadcasting Network

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Series Code: FGOY

Program Code: FGOY000011S

00:01 Welcome to "For Guys Only,"
00:02 a program that deals with topics
00:04 specifically geared for the urban man.
00:07 I'm Pastor William Lee,
00:08 and I'm so thankful that you joined us
00:10 for another broadcast today.
00:11 Listen, today our topic is very interesting.
00:14 It is violence in the family.
00:17 I invite you right now to join us
00:18 as we go into our broadcast.
00:37 Gentlemen, once again,
00:38 I want to welcome you to another broadcast on today.
00:41 Listen, today, we want to kind of get
00:42 right into our discussion.
00:45 It's good to see you, Brandon.
00:47 You've been a blessing throughout our broadcast
00:49 as well as Colin, we're grateful for the insight
00:53 that you're bringing, as well as Muta as well,
00:56 the key issues that you're pointing out as well.
00:59 Let's kind of deal, you know,
01:01 today with family violence
01:05 as we have a word of prayer, first and foremost.
01:07 Let's pray.
01:08 Father, God, we thank You for the protection
01:11 and for the guidance that You give.
01:12 I pray Father now
01:14 for Your Holy Spirit to speak to us
01:16 and speak to the viewer even now is my prayer,
01:18 in Jesus' name, amen.
01:21 Violence in the family.
01:23 This is a subject that oftentimes
01:26 is not discussed.
01:29 There is a slogan that
01:31 that's been promulgated so long that says
01:33 what goes on in the house stays in the house.
01:38 But there are some real issues that we need to discuss today
01:41 as it relates to violence in the family.
01:43 Dr. King, you've kind of given us
01:45 the historical perspective
01:46 as it relates to some topics in the past.
01:49 Can you just bring it to us again?
01:51 Right, sure.
01:52 It is a known fact
01:53 that physical violence against women
01:57 occur more often than car accidents,
02:00 muggings, and rapes combined.
02:03 Consider this, annually in this country,
02:06 more than 17,500 women
02:10 are killed by their husbands or boyfriends.
02:16 Sexual assaults, every year,
02:18 the average is 427 women
02:22 who are sexually assaulted by 815.
02:26 Wow.
02:28 Pretty staggering information.
02:31 It doesn't only happen outside of the church.
02:36 It also happens in our church.
02:38 In one of the recent surveys at one of our churches,
02:42 30% of the women reported
02:45 being abused in one form or the other.
02:49 Now nationally,
02:52 6 out of every 10 girls
02:56 are sexually abused.
02:58 And 4 out of every 10 boys are sexually abused.
03:03 That's so widespread the issue of violence
03:06 and abuse is in our church.
03:08 Wow.
03:09 I mean, those digits are staggering.
03:11 To consider that I mean,
03:12 4 out of 10, 6 out of 10, I mean,
03:14 that's, unbelievable.
03:16 That's why we want to talk about this today
03:18 because we want to kind of remove the curtain back
03:21 and to be able to understand that
03:23 God has certain parameters for us to operate in.
03:27 I think one of the things that we see a lot of times
03:29 is that the man in the home,
03:32 you know, because he's working hard,
03:34 because he's taking care of his family.
03:36 There are some things that are just expected of him.
03:39 But then he has that heavy burden
03:41 that he's carrying.
03:42 And sometimes there is abuse
03:45 that's done by men in the home.
03:48 Sometimes it's not always physical,
03:50 but it can be verbal.
03:52 Verbal abuse that's happening right now.
03:54 What's been your perspective, anyone of you all,
03:58 as relates to the verbal side of abuse?
04:03 You know, before we go that
04:04 if you'll tolerate me,
04:06 I need to hear one of your statistics again.
04:10 And I think it was 427...
04:13 Thousand. What was that again?
04:16 Women who are sexually assaulted
04:19 by age 15.
04:20 Okay, so the number is 427,000?
04:22 Mm-hm. Okay.
04:24 And the reason why I had to go back is
04:26 'cause the first time I thought I just heard 427,
04:29 this is just a whole different deal
04:32 and the numbers of this proportion
04:34 is just staggering.
04:36 And the problem is widespread.
04:41 And it is oftentimes,
04:44 instances of abuse go unreported,
04:47 either because of a fear of repercussion
04:50 because typically,
04:52 when instances are reported,
04:55 there is this threat of retaliation
04:59 and quite often,
05:00 there's a long process that is involved
05:03 in terms of taking out
05:04 a restraining order against someone,
05:06 you actually have to prove that your life is at risk.
05:10 However, before you get to that point,
05:12 more than likely
05:13 you would have been verbally abused,
05:16 you would have been shoved around,
05:17 you would have been physically abused
05:19 before the person typically reaches out for help.
05:24 So let's kind of go back then,
05:26 let's go back to the verbal abuse
05:28 that happens in our homes, you know,
05:31 what causes so much of the violence.
05:34 We hear the statistics, they're happening right now.
05:35 But what are some of the main,
05:37 what's leading up to it that
05:39 they're actually being reported
05:40 and things have been done about?
05:42 You know, verbal abuse can be very, very subtle,
05:45 and quite often, it starts in a very subtle way,
05:47 you know, "You're no good,
05:50 you know, you're too fat, you know, you're ugly,
05:54 you know, you don't please me anymore,
05:56 you are dumb," and so on, and so forth.
05:59 And once that gets started, it takes on a different tone,
06:03 and the intensity tends to increase over time.
06:08 And then it becomes more pointed
06:11 and then they're not so subtle threats now
06:16 that are involved in the abuse, you know,
06:20 "Why did I marry you, you know,
06:22 I wish I didn't, get out of my house,"
06:25 and it takes it up to a notch.
06:27 And once that continues, quite often,
06:30 it leads to physical aggression against women.
06:33 Okay. Okay.
06:34 But I do want to say that men,
06:38 some men are also abused by women,
06:41 it's not a one-way street.
06:42 This by all means is a two-way street.
06:46 So we've got kind of, you know,
06:47 discuss the verbal side of it
06:49 and what kind of leads up to it.
06:52 The other thing is that it happens in the church.
06:56 And let's just be frank, we've seen instances,
07:00 we've even seen it or we have heard
07:03 incidents of abuse in the church.
07:07 And so many times, you know, in the church, whatever church,
07:11 you know, a lot of people turn, you know, a death eye,
07:14 you know, "Didn't know,
07:15 I don't want to I don't want to talk about
07:16 I don't want to deal with it."
07:18 What do we do as relates to you know, the church?
07:21 You know, should we speak out?
07:23 Should the church have a voice as relates to abuse in the home
07:29 with his with children or are with women?
07:32 Well, I'm going to make some comments
07:36 which could be misconstrued
07:38 or could be misinterpreted to be frightening
07:42 but are true.
07:44 Our church structure is set up in such a way that
07:47 it could be a breeding ground for abuse.
07:52 You know, we have very strict rules.
07:56 We believe in secrecy.
08:00 You know, we, we keep it in a church,
08:02 you know, we are God's people,
08:03 we should be the head, another tail.
08:07 And I know if I have an office in the church,
08:10 and something bad happens,
08:12 then that office is going to be taken away from me
08:14 and want to be disciplined.
08:16 So because of that, I am very careful
08:20 to disguise the instances of abuse,
08:23 so it's a perfect breeding ground for abuse.
08:25 Wow. Wow.
08:27 Muta, you know, again, we look to you sometimes
08:31 because, you know, you work with children.
08:34 And in an urban setting, you know,
08:36 you're prone to come across a child that
08:39 that has been abused
08:40 or you may suspect that they've been abused.
08:44 What's kind of been your experience,
08:46 if you've experienced anything of that sense
08:48 or have you been able to sense
08:49 even that there's been abuse
08:51 in especially with young children
08:53 in the home with a Christian or non-Christian?
08:57 Well, yes, with both.
09:00 And I work with ages 14-18
09:05 and you can see the effects of that abuse.
09:09 A lot of times, I mean, you can go into any mall
09:12 right now in an urban area,
09:14 and you see some little three-year-old tagging along
09:16 and maybe she or he's not walking fast enough
09:19 and mom is, you know, yelling to come on.
09:24 And the baby may be tired, maybe sleepy,
09:27 but the mother or the father will not pick that child up.
09:30 But they're talking about how slow they are
09:32 and there's some words
09:33 that I wouldn't even say on the program,
09:35 but that they're saying to these young people,
09:38 I mean to these kids,
09:39 and this is having an effect on them as they grow.
09:43 So now they start perpetuating
09:46 some of these things
09:48 that have been put in their head.
09:51 They start coming alive.
09:52 I mean, I heard a young lady say about her daughter
09:56 and the young lady was about 16 years old
09:58 and she said,
09:59 "Oh, my daughter is fast already."
10:01 Hmm.
10:03 Why would you say that about your daughter?
10:04 So if you keep telling your daughter,
10:05 she's fast, and she's two years old,
10:07 and you tell her that until she's 10,
10:08 what do you think she's going to be?
10:10 Or, "My child is not smart.
10:13 He's just not getting it.
10:14 He's just not getting it."
10:16 What do you think is going to happen?
10:18 That kid is 16 years old and he fails a test,
10:20 "I'm just not getting it."
10:22 So this happens in and out of the church.
10:25 And one way to I think, I believe you asked about
10:30 what can we do as church,
10:32 it's community, the church is supposed to be a community.
10:36 And if I'm in community with you,
10:39 I'll feel more comfortable to come and address an issue
10:43 that I see, a lot of times,
10:45 we lack, some of us lack that community,
10:48 because we just want to keep our problems to ourselves,
10:50 we don't want anybody know what's really going on with us.
10:53 And so now it puts me in a situation
10:57 where I can't easily get help or help somebody else.
11:01 Okay. Okay.
11:03 You know, what I hear is that fundamentally
11:08 there's anger there, there's some type of anger,
11:11 which eventually manifests itself in,
11:14 excuse me, in someone's life,
11:15 you know, in a negative display that's deep seated inside.
11:22 So I think that at some point,
11:23 we got to really talk about the anger
11:26 that's there and seek professional help
11:29 to deal with some of those things.
11:31 Yes, my dad, he was good for good sayings.
11:35 And one that he laid on us pretty young
11:39 and it stuck with me to this day is,
11:42 "Cursing or verbal abuse is a weak mind's
11:46 way of expressing itself strongly."
11:49 And what young boy wants to be classified as weak.
11:54 So there was choice words in there
11:57 that stick with me to this day because even today,
12:00 I don't want to be weak.
12:02 So when I feel myself getting to some place,
12:06 where if I cross this line,
12:08 it's simply a weak man trying to be strong.
12:12 Just that kind of pushes me back.
12:15 I mean, I know it's the Holy Ghost,
12:17 Holy Ghost bringing back to my mind,
12:19 those things that He taught me through my father,
12:22 but I just wanted to throw that out and hopefully,
12:24 it'll help somebody when they reach that edge
12:27 to maybe reflect and decide to take a better path.
12:30 Okay. Yeah.
12:31 You had mentioned about the hurt that's there.
12:36 One of my favorite pastors said,
12:40 the times where our children make us mad the most
12:44 is when they're behaving just like us.
12:48 So a lot of times,
12:49 the weakness that we're seeing in our child,
12:52 the inability to accomplish certain things
12:55 that we're seeing in our child,
12:57 when we're yelling at them or we're seeing these things,
13:00 we're actually saying those things to ourselves.
13:03 Absolutely. You know, words are powerful.
13:07 There's a saying that says, you know,
13:08 "Sticks and stones may break my bones,
13:10 but words will never hurt me."
13:13 That's the biggest lie as far as ever been told.
13:17 You know, words hurt,
13:18 I tell people sometimes I rather be,
13:19 you know, beat upside to head, you know, with a bat,
13:22 knock my legs out like I'll fall
13:23 and then eventually I'll heal,
13:25 you know, from that pain, but, you know,
13:27 words that we say sometimes those things carry,
13:30 you know, for years and years and years, and we struggle,
13:34 men struggle with words
13:36 that have been used against them
13:38 or that they have used against someone else,
13:40 sometimes to control the other person as well.
13:44 You know, there's also this whole issue
13:46 of the type of music
13:49 that is available today that sort of gives license
13:53 to guys to beat up on women,
13:56 the lyrics, the suggestions, the devaluing of women,
14:01 the sexualizing of women,
14:04 and, you know, some of the songs
14:06 they're so inappropriate,
14:09 you can't even repeat the words on this show.
14:11 And those are some of the songs
14:13 that the young boys are listening to constantly.
14:16 And so it is not surprising that in a fit of rage,
14:20 they tend to act out.
14:22 That's powerful right there, the music that people
14:25 are listening to and all the rest
14:27 that that we're seeing today as well.
14:29 What about, you know, that the man that has...
14:34 You know I'll say it this way, I already know the answer,
14:37 but just for discussion purposes,
14:38 let's just say it this way.
14:39 Is it ever justified for a man
14:45 to put his hands on a woman?
14:47 Is there a time to justify, you know...
14:52 Guess I'll just throw it out right there,
14:54 you know, I don't want to go too far away.
14:55 Is there a time?
14:56 Men come up with reasons
14:58 why they think it is justifiable.
15:01 You know, "She made me do this
15:04 or she made me mad or she stepped over the line."
15:08 And one of the reasons why,
15:12 as men, we have to say that is
15:13 because we cannot look at ourselves
15:16 and accept the fact
15:19 that we are committing acts of violence.
15:22 And so because we cannot come to grips with that,
15:25 we've got to find an excuse, we've got to find a scapegoat.
15:29 And that act is terrible, therefore,
15:32 it's not me who's doing that,
15:34 it's this person who is making me do that.
15:37 But to answer your question,
15:38 there is absolutely no excuse
15:41 to put our hands on any woman
15:44 or any girl, on any child even.
15:48 Even if they were, I mean all in my face,
15:53 you know, you know, pushing me and saying,
15:56 "You're no good.
15:57 You know, you're just like, you know, someone else."
16:01 And, you know, this really happens
16:04 especially in the urban community
16:05 that behind closed doors,
16:07 I mean, there are fisticuffs that are there going on.
16:11 I think there might be some very rare exceptions.
16:17 And that, you know, you probably will agree.
16:22 Well, let's get into it.
16:23 Yeah, I think you will agree in these cases
16:26 because I think I understand the context
16:27 with which you gave your answer.
16:29 If you see a woman
16:32 and she is in the act of physically abusing a child,
16:36 and you intervene, you restrain,
16:40 you don't hit her or anything,
16:42 but you try to try to hold her back
16:44 from the child,
16:45 you're putting your hands on her in a forceful way.
16:50 But you are trying to achieve some higher good
16:53 and I'm not going to turn this into justifying means.
16:57 But I think sometimes
16:58 we find ourselves in situations like where you say,
17:01 the girl or the woman's coming at you
17:03 with a knife and your back is against the wall,
17:05 you need to do you need to try to find that hard
17:07 and restrain, but if there's...
17:12 Even in those situations, if there is a way of escape,
17:15 it's better to escape than to even try to restrain
17:18 in those situations.
17:20 So I think there's some rare situations.
17:21 And the other point I want to clarify
17:23 is when we say a child, I'm assuming
17:27 that's out of the context of punishing a child
17:30 for wrong behavior.
17:31 Sure. Your child, yes.
17:35 And the Bible is clear that, you know...
17:37 Absolutely. Absolutely.
17:39 So there's definitely a guy gives us those parameters
17:41 where we're able to discipline our children for sure.
17:45 Absolutely. Can you agree with me on...
17:47 You know what, you are on that.
17:48 You are absolutely right.
17:50 There is a difference between defensive action
17:55 and aggressive action.
17:57 So if a woman is coming at you with a knife
18:01 or with an object or at a child,
18:03 then you are justified in taking defensive action.
18:07 I don't mean pummel the person or hitting them
18:11 but certainly taking defensive action
18:13 and getting out of the way.
18:15 Quite often, men are ashamed to report abuse by women
18:20 because then who will believe you?
18:22 Right. Right. So that was...
18:24 Well, there's eagle too because I did read that article
18:27 about that where it said,
18:29 you know, we think that this issue is a lot larger
18:34 in terms of men being abused,
18:36 but the fact is is because of their ego,
18:38 they don't make the report.
18:40 Absolutely.
18:41 So I mean, that's important for us to understand, you know,
18:45 as men that sometimes the woman does beat the man up,
18:49 you know, and the man must seek proper help as well.
18:53 Let's kind of talk about prevention a little bit,
18:55 there has to be some steps that a man can take specific
18:59 as this program is dealing with for guys only,
19:03 speaking to the needs of the urban man.
19:05 What are some of the steps
19:07 that men can take to prevent them from,
19:10 so to speak, crossing the line that
19:13 they don't go to a place
19:14 where they're going to regret in the very near future?
19:16 What are the ways? Rule number one, know yourself.
19:20 Understand your temperament.
19:23 Understand what pushes your button.
19:26 You know, we must be honest with ourselves
19:29 and each of us have different boiling points.
19:32 So I need to know what pushes my button.
19:36 And when I know that,
19:38 then I need to make a conscious decision every time
19:41 I feel myself getting there
19:43 to take what I call some self-timeout.
19:48 Does the man tell for instance,
19:52 if their wife, you know,
19:55 is coming down an avenue
19:57 where you know is going to push my button, you know?
20:00 Do you stop, you know, 'cause you recognized yourself.
20:02 Do you stop until you know your wife that,
20:05 "Hey, you're coming down an avenue
20:08 that I can't handle right now
20:10 and I just need for you to stop,"
20:12 you know, do we do that?
20:14 I think, yes.
20:15 I think, you know,
20:17 what I call the rules of engagement.
20:20 And I have had to do that with my own relationship.
20:24 I've never seen my dad hit my mother.
20:27 And just based on that,
20:29 I've made a conscious decision to never hit a woman.
20:33 It doesn't mean that I don't get angry.
20:35 It doesn't mean that I don't get mad
20:37 and crazy and feel like.
20:39 But we have what I call the rules of engagement.
20:43 Once I feel us get into a certain point,
20:47 I say, "You know what,
20:48 I can't deal with this right now.
20:50 I need to take a self-timeout for me."
20:54 And we need to be aware of that point.
20:56 Wherever that point is, each of us needs to know
21:00 when it's time to walk away and take a self timeout.
21:03 Okay. So it's okay to walk away?
21:05 Absolutely. It's needed to walk away.
21:06 It's necessary.
21:08 If you have to, you have to run.
21:09 Absolutely. Every now and then.
21:10 It's necessary. Okay.
21:12 It's also good to, you know,
21:14 I think you get started on that path
21:16 to let your spouse know
21:20 what behaviors are setting you off.
21:22 Now you got to pick your timing too
21:26 because sometimes it's just the wrong time.
21:28 You test the waters and you find out that
21:30 they're getting hot, so you back off.
21:33 But what I want to protect against is you feeling like,
21:36 "Well, I guess I shouldn't do that
21:38 because, you know, when I did it the last time,
21:41 the waters got hotter" because what happens is,
21:44 then you lose the ability to join your wife
21:47 or invite her into being a partner
21:50 in helping to bring to maintain peace.
21:54 So it's okay
21:55 in the best non-offensive way to try and let her know that
22:01 there are some things
22:02 because you may have not because you ask not.
22:05 You may need to say, you know, this is a problem for me.
22:09 If you see it's going in the wrong way,
22:11 then you still reserve the right to retreat.
22:13 Okay. Okay.
22:14 And here's some common sense advice, suggestion.
22:18 I'm giving it to you for free. Come on.
22:20 That's what we want.
22:21 We want common sense, things that makes sense.
22:25 When you're hurt and when you're angry,
22:27 do not make major decisions.
22:31 It's a bad time. Okay.
22:32 Say it again. Okay.
22:34 When you're hurt or when you're angry guy
22:36 do not make major decisions.
22:39 In other words,
22:41 I'm not going to give you the car keys
22:43 or I'm not going to do this anymore.
22:45 I'm not going to do that anymore.
22:46 Do not make major decisions.
22:50 It is not a practical advice.
22:53 Do not fight with a skunk.
22:57 Okay.
22:58 You know what a skunk is right?
23:00 And, you know,
23:01 if you attempt to fight with the skunk,
23:03 you're going to lose because even if you win,
23:06 you're going to end up smelling bad.
23:09 What I mean by that is certain issues
23:13 are not worth fighting over.
23:16 Leave them alone
23:18 because you may think you have won,
23:22 but in the long run, you want to lose.
23:25 So do not fight with a skunk.
23:28 Leave it alone. Okay.
23:30 I like that.
23:32 I just want to answer that. Sure.
23:35 Some people, some adversaries are skunks and some are pigs.
23:40 When you wrestle with a pig, right,
23:44 you just get mud all over you and the pig enjoys the mud.
23:48 Same concept.
23:49 Some people actually enjoy conflict.
23:52 And they actually kind of try to push your buttons
23:55 and you got to know when you're dealing with that,
23:57 you're dealing with a pig.
24:01 Don't wrestle with a pig in mud.
24:03 Leave it alone. Just leave it alone.
24:04 No skunks, no pigs, leave it alone.
24:08 Okay. Okay.
24:10 What other preventative measures,
24:12 we get this concept of pigs.
24:14 What other preventative measures
24:16 can we take as well as, especially as men,
24:20 I know enough, even for myself,
24:21 you know, maybe just going for a jog
24:23 or something or going for a walk
24:25 or getting my car taking, you know,
24:27 time for me to just blow off steam,
24:29 you know, by myself sometimes.
24:31 What else can we do as well?
24:33 You know, I think it's important
24:36 to take an inventory of the things
24:38 that that make you mad, and I'm not saying to walk away
24:43 and never address them,
24:45 but wait for the appropriate time
24:47 to address those things.
24:48 And a lot of times, 24 hours later,
24:51 the things that you thought were important,
24:54 they're no longer are important.
24:55 You know you're fighting over the color of the curtain
24:59 or the style of the chair or something that
25:03 after few hours become immaterial.
25:06 So I'm saying take stock of it, allow some time to go by,
25:11 and then revisit the issue.
25:14 And a lot of times, the issue don't seem to be
25:16 as important as you thought it was.
25:20 Okay. Okay.
25:22 And I would say turn things over to God,
25:23 did you see turning things over to God?
25:26 I think a lot of times, the reason why you get drawn
25:29 into a battle is
25:31 because you see a situation developing in a way
25:34 that you don't want to be tolerant of.
25:37 And as you try to approach it,
25:38 you realize you're not getting anywhere with it,
25:40 but you don't want to lose that thing
25:42 because it might be
25:43 one of those lines that you've drawn.
25:45 And you said, "I have to make this change."
25:47 Dr. King said it well.
25:48 You may not have to make it right now.
25:51 But if you get used
25:53 to taking God up on His promises,
25:55 handing it over to Him and say,
25:57 "You know what, right now, God where it is right now,
25:59 I'm not going to get what I want.
26:01 And I believe I need it.
26:02 I believe it's right.
26:04 And I believe that You would have us
26:05 to do the right thing.
26:06 So guess what, for the sake of peace,
26:09 I'm going to just give it to You.
26:11 And I'm going to trust that
26:13 You will not let us lose the right situation,
26:17 lose the right outcome."
26:18 Leave it alone.
26:19 And I have learned that doing that more often than not,
26:23 first of all, it immediately
26:24 puts the situation under control and,
26:26 more often than not, the Holy Ghost goes to work.
26:29 He says, "Okay, that has retreated.
26:31 Now I can go to work."
26:32 And my wife will bring me the situation back and say,
26:35 "Let's work this thing out."
26:37 Okay.
26:39 That's critical 'cause I think sometimes
26:40 that we try to win an argument, but we may lose the person
26:44 whom we're arguing with, especially if it's a spouse.
26:46 Yes, you can win the battle, but you can lose the war.
26:48 Absolutely. That's critical.
26:50 That's...
26:51 I want to deal with, you know, what the Bible says
26:53 in the last minute that we have left.
26:55 And the Bible says in Ephesians 4:26,
27:00 the Bible says, "Be ye angry, and sin not,
27:03 let not the sun go down upon your wrath.
27:07 Neither give place to the devil.
27:09 Let him that stole steal no more,
27:11 but rather let him labor,
27:13 working with his hands the things which are good,
27:15 that he may have him to give to him that need.
27:18 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
27:22 but that which is good to the use of edify,
27:25 that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
27:27 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed
27:32 unto the day of redemption."
27:34 Paul says, "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor,
27:38 evil speaking be put away for you,
27:40 with all malice, and be ye kind one to another,
27:45 tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
27:47 even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you."
27:52 Because God has forgiven us,
27:54 my friends, we need to forgive one another as well.
27:58 God can by all means change our hearts
28:01 and our minds if we allow Him to do so.
28:04 This has been another broadcast For Guys Only.
28:07 And I pray that
28:08 you are richly blessed on today.
28:10 Until next time, my friends, may God richly bless you
28:12 and keep you in His loving grace.


Revised 2023-04-13