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We 01:20 believe that the Lord has ordained us to share 01:23 the good news of Jesus Christ along with a 01:25 plethora of different types of programming. 01:27 Today is one great example of the diversity 01:31 of this network as we have a program today 01:33 about hypertension, diabetes, and heart 01:36 disease - that's a concern worldwide. 01:40 Our guest today is going to walk us through 01:43 some of the natural remedies that we can 01:45 participate in, because everyone wants to 01:48 reduce health costs and have that kind of 01:50 abundant life that Jesus has come to 01:52 offer. So, thank you for taking the time. 01:54 Also, if you're a part of our 3ABN family, 01:57 thank you for your prayers and your 01:58 financial support of this network as we 02:01 continue going and growing, getting 02:03 ready for the coming of Jesus. Right now, 02:06 let us meet our guest today, Dr. Enoch 02:10 Sundaram. So good to have you here. - Nice 02:12 to be here, sir. - Yes. I have seen studies, 02:16 medical studies... I'm obviously not a physician; 02:19 I'm more of a pastor, but I know that these 02:22 issues-diabetes, heart disease, and hypertension 02:27 are a great concern in the world. But before 02:30 we get into that, tell our listening and viewing 02:32 audience a little about your background, who 02:35 you are, where you're from, and what you 02:38 do right now. - Okay. I'm from a southern 02:41 part of India. Me and my wife, we are running 02:44 a small hospital & lifestyle center in 02:47 a place called Nagercoil, which is in the southern 02:50 tip of India. We do have a lifestyle program 02:55 for various diseases. The most common kind 02:58 of disease that we treat is diabetes, 03:01 hypertension, and heart disease. - Okay. 03:03 - Yes. - And so, you are married? 'Cause 03:05 you mentioned your wife. - Yeah. - Any 03:06 children? - I have two children - two sons. 03:09 My eldest son is about 15 years and the 03:12 youngest son is 11 years old. - Wonderful. 03:14 Now, I've been to India before. It's 03:16 a beautiful country, a lot of people, a lot 03:19 of motorcycles, and I've enjoyed being in different 03:22 parts of India. Now, let's kind of dive right 03:25 into the program and just talk about these 03:29 concerns, because people watching the 03:31 program, or maybe they're listening in 03:33 their car or from maybe on their radio or whatever 03:35 means they're using, people today, for 03:39 the most part in lifestyle practices like diabetes, 03:42 heart disease, and hypertension are very 03:45 much a real issue in society today. What 03:48 are some of the causes of these...? Let's start 03:51 with diabetes, for example. - Now, as 03:55 you know, India is the diabetic capital 03:57 of the world. We have a lot of diabetes patients 04:00 in India. One of the major reasons for 04:03 diabetes is refined food. When I say 04:06 'refined food,' it's basically... Like the 04:09 southern part of India, we eat a lot of fries. 04:12 And the northern side of India, generally, 04:14 they eat more wheat. Now, what has happened 04:19 is, in earlier days, we used to have 04:22 hand-pound rice. So, we don't refine 04:25 other grains. I mean, that's what you call 04:29 brown rice here, and we call it hand-pound 04:31 rice in India. - Oh, okay. Hand-pound. 04:33 - Yeah, hand-pound rice. So, now, in hand-pound 04:36 rice, you have all the nutrients you need, and 04:40 all of the very important nutrients 04:41 you need for metabolism is chromium. Chromium is an 04:47 important raw material to produce insulin. You 04:50 have your chromium only in the brown rice; but 04:55 when you refine it, then you don't have 04:57 your chromium. And so... - So, in other words, 05:00 if you eat white rice or rice that had been 05:04 bleached, or when you say refined... - That's 05:07 right, yeah. Nowadays, the fiber on top of the 05:12 rice is taken away and it is refined, and so you 05:16 just have the white rice. The white rice 05:17 doesn't have all the nutrients, which means 05:20 your pancreas misses out on certain nutrients 05:24 for it to produce insulin. So, that's one of the 05:27 major reasons why people get diabetes. The same 05:33 goes with wheat, and when you refine the 05:35 wheat and you remove the husk and then you 05:38 don't have these micronutrients that your body needs. So, 05:41 this is one of the major reasons why people get 05:44 diabetes. And number 2 is, in India, we used 05:49 to have more of a vegetarian kind of 05:52 diet; but recently, people are changing 05:55 their diet and lifestyle and they're opting 05:58 more to meat-eating. Now, traditionally, we 06:02 were not like that. Usually, our people, 06:05 we used to have meat once in a while - like 06:09 when there is a festival or some special occasion. 06:14 But nowadays, it's not like that. People started 06:16 to eat more meat. Now, there are a lot of studies 06:19 that say that meat is a very important 06:23 cause for diabetes, because it blocks the 06:25 receptors where the insulin does its function. 06:30 - So when you eat meat, the receptors 06:32 where- you know, that will draw in the insulin, 06:35 it's pretty much cut off, shut down? Blocked? - Yeah. 06:38 And that's what we call as insulin resistance. So, 06:40 this is another very important reason why 06:42 people get diabetes. So, the refined food and then 06:47 the animal food (which is very high in saturated 06:50 fat), and the third thing is lack of exercise. 06:54 Generally, our people, they don't exercise 06:57 much. They don't have that health-seeking 06:59 behavior. So, these are the major reasons for 07:05 diabetes. Also, there are studies that have 07:08 come up, telling that coffee and tea increases 07:11 the insulin resistance, because caffeine is in 07:13 it. So, how people... - How does caffeine 07:16 do that? 'Cause I know there are some people... 07:18 Caffeine is such a common drink. It's 07:24 in Coke and Pepsi and Mountain Dew and a 07:28 lot of things that people- coffee. And for 07:31 some people, that's just a part of their diet. 07:35 They'll eat a sandwich and drink Dr Pepper. 07:37 How does caffeine affect the body's ability to draw 07:42 in what it needs? - Yeah. 1) It increases 07:46 the insulin resistance; it becomes very difficult 07:50 for the insulin to do its function. Maybe 07:55 let me explain like this. In a normal person, he 08:00 may need just one drop of insulin; but when people 08:04 have high insulin resistance, they may 08:07 need 5 drops of insulin. So, this condition comes 08:11 because of drinking coffee and tea, also. 08:14 It increases the insulin resistance-the insulin 08:17 receptor on the cell wall. So, when you 08:23 take more tea and coffee, the resistance increases, 08:25 which means one side- your body has to produce 08:29 more insulin to handle the situation. So, a 08:33 time comes where your body says, "I cannot 08:36 produce anymore insulin." - Then you have to take 08:39 the insulin shots or... - Or oral hypoglycemic 08:44 drugs to handle the situation. - So then, 08:47 it's not, in many cases, the diabetes that you're 08:50 talking of, because I know there are 08:51 different types of diabetes. - That's 08:52 right. - I'm not a doctor. - Type 1 and type 2. 08:56 - Which one is the more hereditary one? - The 08:59 hereditary one is a type 2, and that's 09:02 what we see commonly found in any kind of 09:05 population. Type 1 incidents are much 09:09 less. - Yeah, a more caused type of diabetes. 09:12 - True. - By lifestyle practice, refined foods, 09:15 meat, and lack of exercise. - That's 09:17 right. And tea, coffee... - And tea and coffee. 09:19 - And of course, smoking and alcohol also has an impact. 09:23 - So, when you eat a good meal: for example, 09:26 people sit down; they have a good meal. We 09:30 shouldn't just base our meals on the way 09:32 it tastes. - True. - We should base it on what's 09:34 on the plate. - That's right. - For example, 09:37 if we go- we have a very expensive car; 09:39 we take it to the gas station, and we put 09:42 fuel into it. It's amazing how we're very particular 09:45 about what kind of fuel we put in our car. - That's 09:47 right. - And the manufacturer says, "Premium only" or 09:50 "Unleaded only" or- well, everything is unleaded 09:52 nowadays, but they might say high octane. 09:56 and we stick closely to that because we want 09:58 our cars to work well. - True. - But why is it 10:01 that people don't pay attention to their bodies? 10:03 - That is true, sir. This is one side of the 10:06 story, but I like to tell you the other side of the 10:08 story. - Yes. - Now, generally, we as a 10:13 people, we have no knowledge and information what happens 10:18 to the food before it reaches our plate. 10:21 Yeah. So, that awareness and that knowledge, people 10:25 have to know. Now, let me explain. For example: 10:29 now, generally, I know in the States, people 10:33 like bread. And if I say 90% of the bread 10:38 is made of white flour, will I be right? - Pretty 10:42 much. - Yeah. So, most of the bread is made 10:45 with white flour, but people don't know how 10:47 you get white flour. White flour comes from 10:50 wheat. And how do they make white flour? They 10:53 have to use a chemical alloxan Now, 10:57 this alloxan chemical is so dangerous that it's 11:02 one of the causes for diabetes, and also it 11:05 is nephrotoxic in nature. So, when you 11:09 keep taking food that is made with white flour, 11:12 you have to face the consequences because 11:17 of the chemicals that are added in it. So, 11:20 there are so many things that happen to food 11:24 before it reaches the table. Now, I just told 11:27 you about how food is being processed. Now, 11:31 let's go a little further. Now, the method of farming, 11:36 agriculture practices... Today, there are so 11:41 many chemicals that are spread on our food. 11:44 These chemicals also have a great impact 11:46 on our body. So, we have not learned to 11:50 give much attention to all these things. But 11:53 that itself, if you see today, why we have 11:58 such high incidence of this disease, because 12:01 agriculture practices changed, the way we 12:05 process our food has changed because we 12:07 add a lot of chemicals, we refine it, and so 12:09 many things, and listen- until we understand these 12:13 things and make changes in these things, we cannot 12:18 enjoy good health. - Okay. So you have 12:20 to look at the entire chain of, "Where's my 12:22 food coming from? How is it processed? How 12:25 is it made?" What about... You know, there are 12:29 sometimes you'll buy bread in the store and 12:31 it'll say, "Enriched- wheat enriched." I've 12:37 looked at that before, and what, actually, that 12:40 means is, some cases, the wheat was bleached 12:47 and they put some wheat back into it. - Okay. 12:50 - But still, if you look at the whole process, 12:52 it's far from the way that it began. Am I 12:57 saying it correctly? - That's right. Yeah. 13:00 What I believe is, God has put a design, and 13:04 as much as possible, we should go by that 13:06 design. We may not understand all the 13:10 information or the knowledge in it, but 13:13 the best would be to go by the design God 13:16 has put in nature. But when you try to remove 13:19 certain things for certain reasons, 13:21 maybe taste or for the softness, and then you 13:23 want to add certain nutrients...I mean, 13:26 that's not the right way to move forward. 13:29 - Right. You're offsetting the balance and you're 13:30 trying to reset it. - Yeah. - For example, 13:33 what about refined foods like cakes and 13:37 pies? Does that have any part to play on? 13:41 - Certainly, certainly. Now, I 13:44 mean, that should've been first in my list; 13:46 thank you for reminding me about that. Yeah, 13:48 sugar is a big problem today. Now, generally, 13:52 when I go to restaurants, I like to watch certain 13:57 things. In India, if you see people, they 14:00 order a soft drink, and then they like to order 14:04 different kinds of meats, then they like to have 14:07 another juice or dessert (which has a lot of 14:11 sugar), and then, again, sweets... - Fermented. 14:15 - I mean, imagine how much sugar they're 14:17 loading in their bodies. Now, when you take a 14:22 lot of sugar, now, you're demanding your pancreas 14:25 to work more than it has to and can work 14:29 in a day - which means, over a period of time, 14:32 you're exhausting the resources of your body. 14:36 So, your pancreas says, "See, I have overworked 14:40 for you for the past 34 years, and now, 14:44 I cannot do as I have been working for you 14:47 in the past." - Hmm, never thought about 14:48 that. - And so, it says, "Okay. I'm giving 14:52 you diabetes now. At least now, you realize 14:54 that you have made me work more; and now, 14:57 try to give me a little break." It's basically 15:01 a reminder from the body telling that- you 15:02 know? - So when the pancreas stops working, 15:05 it's because you've overtaxed it? You've 15:07 demanded it to put out more than it naturally 15:10 should, and all of a sudden, it gets to the 15:13 place of exhaustion and it's worn out. - That's 15:15 right. - And then now, you have to start trying 15:17 to use supplemental drugs to take the place 15:20 of the natural function of the pancreas. - Yeah. 15:22 Now, drugs actually, they don't work like 15:26 supplements, basically. What they do is, when 15:30 a person is diagnosed as a diabetic, he has 15:33 only 50% of the pancreas functioning. - Wow. - So, 15:40 what we do is, when we give medications 15:44 of hypoglycemic drugs, we are basically telling 15:47 the pancreas, "You better work as how you were 15:50 working before." So, we are kind of pushing the 15:53 pancreas to work more. So, the pancreas says, 15:57 "Okay, I will do it." And as we give these 16:00 drugs, the 50% function comes to 40%, and 30%. 16:06 So basically, because we are making the 16:08 pancreas do double the work, it does; but a point 16:14 comes where we consider it beta cell apoptosis. 16:17 Beta cell is a cell that produces insulin in the 16:19 pancreas. And so, since we made this beta cell 16:24 to work more, they, again, get exhausted 16:27 and the percentage of beta cell comes down. 16:30 - Okay. - And then we say, "Okay, now, go 16:31 find insulin." - Okay, so I'm going to put it 16:33 in layman's term for those who are listening 16:35 to the program. You know, if you think of 16:37 an athlete who's in excellent shape and 16:40 you work him and work him and work him, and 16:42 he says, "I'm getting tired. I only have 50% 16:45 of my energy left." And you say, "Well, 16:48 we're going to give you drugs to make 16:49 you work even harder." Well, he doesn't get 16:51 60 or 70 or 80%; you're taking that 50% and 16:55 reducing it to 40, to 30, to 20 until he drops from 16:58 exhaustion. - That's right. - And then he 17:00 can't- nothing could stimulate him to get 17:02 back up. - That is right. - So, that's 17:04 what happens to our pancreas when we overtax 17:07 it with refined flours, meats, alcohol, sugar, 17:11 caffeine- all these things that demand 17:14 the production of insulin. - That's right, sir. 17:17 - Wow. You don't think about that very much. 17:19 You know, when you go to a restaurant, especially 17:21 in America or places in the world, we usually 17:24 tend to eat based on what we like to taste. 17:26 - That's right. - And they always say, "Do 17:28 you have room for dessert?" So then, 17:33 that leads, now, from diabetes, then does it 17:36 now lead to... Let's bring hypertension 17:38 into the picture now. - Okay. See, hypertension, 17:43 again, is becoming a very serious problem 17:45 these days. There are various reasons for 17:49 hypertension. Now, one of the major causes for 17:51 hypertension also is the exaggerated fat, 17:56 animal food, and tea and coffee, the refined 17:59 food... They all have it all; definitely, they 18:01 have it all. - Right. - Now, if you take 18:04 hypertension- now, why does blood pressure 18:08 increase? We have the arteries; and the arteries, 18:12 they constrict. You know? Arteries have an ability 18:17 to dilate and constrict. - Okay, so they're flexible. 18:21 - Yeah, flexible. We say vasodilation, vasoconstriction. 18:25 Now, there are certain nutrients that allow the 18:30 arteries to constrict; there are certain 18:31 nutrients that allow arteries to dilate. So, 18:35 when you take most sodium, it generally 18:38 constricts. When you take more sodium, it 18:42 constricts. - Like people that eat a 18:45 lot of salt: potato chips, all this refined 18:48 stuff that tastes good, but it's just pouring 18:51 sodium into your body. - That's right. - And 18:54 it keeps the vessels from expanding. - Correct, 18:57 sir. - Okay, I'm following you; trying to learn 19:00 something, because potato chips... Sometimes, 19:03 I like potato chips, and I'm also an athlete. 19:05 I don't want to restrict my arteries from working 19:09 the way that it should work. - True. So that's 19:12 one. But when you take food that is high in 19:16 magnesium and potassium, it dilates the arteries. So, 19:20 I had an experience with a software engineer who 19:25 was CEO of a company. He was a young man, 19:29 and he was taking four drugs for hypertension. 19:34 Then he came to me, and I was giving him a diet 19:38 which was high in magnesium and potassium, which is 19:41 more green, leafy vegetables and bananas. 19:43 Then he was wondering, "I've come for treatment. 19:47 What is this doctor doing with me, giving 19:49 me just green, leafy vegetables?" And I 19:51 said, "Just take it." After a couple of days, 19:56 he saw his blood pressure was dropping, 19:59 and then I had to take away some of the drugs 20:00 from him, and then he was feeling better. He 20:05 was surprised! People become so surprised 20:07 how simple changes in their diet and lifestyle 20:10 can make such a big impact. So, just by 20:17 changing your diet, by eating more food that's 20:20 high in magnesium, and you find this in green, 20:23 leafy vegetables. And when you take more 20:26 green, leafy vegetables in your diet, more salads, 20:28 more greens, and more fruits that have potassium, 20:33 and your blood pressure's going to drop. But there's 20:36 a caution here. Now, this advice doesn't 20:39 apply to everybody. For example, people 20:42 who have hypertension and also their kidneys 20:45 are affected, they should not take this advice. 20:48 - Oh, okay. - Because if the kidneys are 20:51 affected, then they cannot handle potassium. 20:54 So if they take more potassium, then they'll 20:56 be in trouble. - Oh, okay. So people, for 20:59 example, that are on dialysis... Okay. The 21:03 kidneys are challenged. They should not- and 21:05 the reason that came to my mind is because 21:07 my sister, she's a survivor of the World 21:10 Trade Center in New York. She's a firefighter, 21:12 retired now. But she lost the function of 21:15 one of her kidneys, and they said, "Well, now 21:17 that you have a new kidney, be very light 21:20 on potassium." - That's right. - Okay. So, what 21:23 does it do? How does it affect...? - Now, that's 21:26 the reason- whatever advice we give here, 21:30 people should not get very emotional and 21:35 say, "Okay, I'm going to do this right away," 21:37 and stop all medicines. That is the greatest 21:40 blunder they will do in their life. - Dangerous. 21:43 Very dangerous! You 21:44 cannot stop your medicines; you cannot 21:47 abruptly stop what you're doing - no. 21:49 You have to work with your doctor. Now, 21:51 whatever information they get from this 21:53 program, they have to start thinking on it, 21:56 making a plan, they need to discuss with 21:59 their physician and say, "Doctor, I'm 22:01 very serious about bringing some lifestyle 22:03 change. Would you help me with tapering 22:06 the drugs off?" so it is a physician who has 22:08 to do that. - Right. Guiding them through 22:11 the safe way. - Exactly. They have to discuss 22:13 with the physician. So, as I said, if you 22:17 are just suffering from hypertension, a diet with 22:21 potassium and magnesium will help; but if you have 22:24 a kidney problem, then no- you cannot go for 22:28 that. - Right. - There are the ways of handling 22:31 that. So, one reason for hypertension is this, 22:36 and the second one is clogged arteries. When 22:39 the arteries are clogged and then more pressure 22:42 is required for the blood to flow through the arteries. 22:45 So, generally, for those patients who- what we 22:48 do is, we give them ginger and garlic. It's 22:52 an excellent artery cleanser with a little 22:54 bit of cayenne. In fact, we make a tea... 22:58 - You mean with a cayenne? - Yeah, that's 23:00 right. - Ginger, garlic, and a little bit of cayenne. 23:02 - And lime. - And lime. You know, my wife makes 23:05 a ginger- she gets the natural ginger, boils 23:08 it, and she puts a little lemon in it, 23:11 lime... And as a singer and a person who uses 23:16 his voice a lot as I do, that's my favorite 23:18 drink. But also, it helps as you're saying 23:22 that it helps with blood pressure. - True. How it 23:27 helps is by clearing the arteries. So, 23:29 generally, we tell people to take it three 23:32 months and then leave it, not to continue it, 23:36 because if you just take three months 23:38 on the arteries, they get cleared. For some 23:41 people, we have to add a few of the herbs that 23:44 help to clear the arteries; but ginger, 23:46 garlic, cayenne, and lime take care of it. 23:49 - Okay. Ginger, garlic, cayenne, and lime. 23:52 - We don't heat it- just raw. It has to 23:55 be made fresh every morning, and we tell 23:58 them to drink. We have seen excellent results 24:01 with that- arteries being cleared and 24:03 blood pressure coming down. So, first, I told 24:07 you about the changes in diet, more in magnesium 24:10 and potassium, the second is clearing the arteries, 24:13 and the third part is, what happens is some 24:17 people, because of a high sodium diet, the 24:20 blood volume increases. Let me explain. Now, 24:25 generally, the capacity of blood our heart and 24:30 blood vessels can hold is about 5 liters of blood. 24:33 - About 5 liters. - Yeah. But when you take a lot 24:36 of salt, the blood draws the water and 24:41 keeps it, so the volume increases. The blood 24:43 volume increases. - Oh, so you start having more 24:46 blood. - Not more blood... - More water in it? - Yeah, 24:50 more water in the blood. - Oh, okay. - Which means 24:54 this leads to high blood pressure. - Oh, okay. 25:00 - So now, you have to get rid of the water 25:02 to release the blood pressure. So that's 25:05 why, generally, physicians, they give diuretics. So, 25:10 what we do is, we give natural diuretics: like 25:13 for example, corn silk. - Corn silk. - That's right. 25:18 So, we just take some corn silk, make tea out 25:20 of it, and give it to our patients. Then, 25:24 you see the fluids coming out. - Okay. 25:26 So before you go any further, I'm going to 25:29 put this together in my head. Usually, when you 25:31 start getting more water in your blood, you have 25:33 to find a way to dispense of the water to get the 25:35 water out of your system, because I 25:37 think- I'm putting a mental picture together 25:39 here. It's like taking a balloon and you keep 25:43 filling it up, filling it up, filling it up... 25:46 You create a lot more pressure. You naturally 25:49 create a lot more pressure, so that's 25:51 synonymous with the blood pressure increasing; 25:55 it becomes very sensitive. - Yeah. - That's why 25:57 people could be on the border of having a 25:59 stroke. That's because if your blood pressure 26:01 gets too high... And so what you're saying, 26:04 because I want to go back to the lifestyle 26:05 center here and we're going to come back to 26:07 the remedy for diabetes, then we're going to talk 26:10 about heart disease. - Sure. - One of the reasons- 26:12 and I've been listening carefully-is that you 26:15 include, as a physician, you tend to go more 26:19 natural unless medicine is imperative. - True. 26:24 - So, a lot of people rather would just say, 26:26 "Doctor, give me a prescription," and 26:29 they don't want to change their lifestyle. 26:31 But what you're saying is the greater benefit 26:32 is if you learn how to change the way you 26:35 eat, the way you live, what you put in your 26:36 body, and you tend to do it more naturally, 26:39 the results are more long-lasting than taking 26:42 a drug, unless, obviously, it's necessary. - Now, 26:47 if you see... Generally, as a physician, we are 26:52 trained more to take care of the patient 26:55 from- okay. You make a diagnosis of hypertension, 27:00 and then you say, "Okay, you're hypertensive. These 27:03 are the drugs you take." You know? We are trained 27:07 that way, which is very good. We need that 27:10 training; it's very important training 27:11 that we need. But the other side, we are not 27:18 trained to look at it. Like, "What has caused 27:21 this?" And in more detail. Of course, we 27:26 do study a little bit on that, but we don't 27:29 go into the depth of it. But thank God for 27:32 the Bible. If you see in the Bible, whenever 27:38 God has chosen a group of people, He has chosen 27:42 them to educate them as to how He has designed 27:46 us and what kind of lifestyle He wants us 27:50 to adopt. Now, the reason why He wants 27:54 us to adopt a particular kind of lifestyle is 27:57 because He's the Creator. He's a Designer. And so, 28:02 He knows from the beginning to the end. 28:05 So, if you eat this, He knows what will 28:07 happen. If you have this lifestyle- what 28:10 would happen. He knows everything. So, through 28:14 the Bible, He's educating us. Now, that's what 28:17 He did to the Israelites. He said, "Okay." When 28:20 He was bringing the Israelites out of Egypt, 28:23 the first education He gives is, "Let me change 28:26 your diet." Now, He had to change their taste 28:28 buds, so He gave them manna. Then after that, 28:32 if you see they wanted the meat. - Right, the 28:35 quail. - And God said, "No, that's not the 28:39 best for you. It's good for you to get into this 28:42 kind of lifestyle." But they wouldn't listen, 28:46 so they had to pay the consequences. Now, Paul 28:49 talks about the same incident and he says 28:53 that these things happened for our examples. - Ah, 28:58 1 Corinthians 10. - Yes, 1 Corinthians 10! So, 29:01 it applies to us all. And I thank God for 29:04 this information, because if you look, the quality of 29:09 meat has gone very bad these days. - That's right. 29:13 - And the quality of milk, the quality of egg... 29:16 Everything has gone bad. I'm amazed how God has 29:20 put this information in the Bible. And when 29:23 we apply this kind of lifestyle, we reap the 29:27 benefits. So, I started to explore the other side, 29:34 like, "Okay, why is the Bible saying this? Does 29:38 it really work?" - Cause and effect. - Cause and 29:41 effect. "Is it scientifically right?" Now, I'm amazed 29:44 to see the research that is coming out these days. 29:50 Lifestyle, lifestyle, and lifestyle - I see 29:55 the same kind of lifestyle God is telling us to adopt! 29:58 - That's right. - Yeah. Also, I had a lot of 30:03 questions when I came into medical practice as 30:06 to, if God is really loving, why should 30:10 people suffer from so many kinds of diseases? 30:14 You know, when you're with patients all the 30:16 time, seeing patients, you also get sick and 30:19 feel bad how people are suffering from 30:22 various kinds of diseases. So, I had these questions, 30:25 then I started my search. Then I saw in the Bible, 30:28 it says in John... I think it's 3 John 1:2. 30:34 It says, "Beloved, I wish above all things 30:36 that you be in good health." So then I 30:38 learned what's in the mind of Christ. Then 30:41 even if you see in Ezekiel 18:32, it 30:46 says God says, "I have no pleasure in him that 30:50 dieth." So, I know God will not say lies, 30:54 and I came to know that this is God's mindset 30:57 that He wants us to be in good health. - And in 31:00 John 10:10. - Yeah. - Have life more abundantly. 31:02 - That's right. So that's very clear! Then the 31:07 next point...then why diseases? Then we have 31:11 that information also in the Bible, in Psalms 31:15 103:3. It says, "He forgiveth thy sins and 31:20 healeth thy disease." So, there is a connection 31:23 between sin and disease. So, sin and disease are 31:29 closely connected. Now, we have to explore in 31:33 this area. What kind of sin causes what 31:38 kind of disease? And we have to explore. 31:41 And as Christians, we have this responsibility 31:45 to explore into it and to help people. - That's 31:48 true, and that makes sense, because everything 31:50 has an effect. Every cause is followed by an 31:54 effect. Everything you do... I think the phrase 31:57 I learned in school, which we all learned, 31:59 "For every action, there is an equal and 32:01 opposite reaction." So, we can't treat the body 32:05 hap-hazardly and callously and think 32:09 that it's going to work perfectly fine, and it 32:12 makes a difference in our lifestyle. So, if you 32:16 think of the society we live in today, society 32:19 around us doesn't really live by those principles, 32:22 because they pretty much force on us the capitalistic 32:25 approach. They want to just make money, so 32:28 they don't really think about, in many cases, 32:30 how we're supposed to eat. - The other thing, 32:32 why people generally don't believe in these 32:35 things is they say, "Oh, it's genetic." 32:38 My father, my mother had diabetes, and my 32:42 parents had heart disease. So, I will 32:45 also have it, so I have to deal with it... No. 32:49 That's not the way. Now, of course, yes; the Bible 32:53 says if you see in Numbers chapter 14 verse 18, 33:00 it says that the children suffer the consequences 33:04 of the mistakes the father and the mother have done. 33:07 - Right. - So, that's why there is a genetic 33:11 predisposition. If the parents have diabetes, 33:13 children definitely have a high chance of getting 33:15 diabetes, because the choices they have made 33:18 are not only going to affect them; it's going 33:21 to affect the next generation. So, that puts a tremendous 33:24 amount of responsibility on us. - I'm glad you 33:26 said that. - Because what our lifestyle 33:31 practices that we have, it is recorded in our 33:33 genes and we transmit to the next generation. 33:36 So, it's a lot of responsibility on us, 33:38 so that is true. The Bible says so. But 33:43 also, if you see in Exodus chapter 18 verse 9, 33:48 it's a wonderful promise for all of us. It says, 33:52 "Though you may have your bond with this 33:54 genetic weakness, don't worry; if you obey Me 33:57 and keep My law, you can live." - Okay, so 34:01 He's offering a remedy. - Exactly. So now, what's 34:04 the remedy? Okay, say, "Thank You, Lord. There 34:08 is a plan for me, there is an escape. So 34:10 what's the remedy? And even that, we have it in 34:12 the Bible. So see Ezekiel 47:12, it says, "And the 34:17 leaves of the tree offer healing of nations." So, 34:20 there is a clue there. There is a principle 34:22 God has again- so, the leaves are for healing. 34:27 Let's go back to Genesis chapter 3:18 where, 34:31 right after sin, God is introducing another 34:36 diet in man's life. He's saying, "Eat the herb." 34:40 Now, generally in our mindset, when you say, 34:44 "herb," that means it's a medicinal plant. No! 34:49 So, 'herb' is basically a non-woody plant. 34:52 - Hmm, say that again? - Non-woody plant. - Okay. 34:56 - Which means it can be the root of the herb, 34:59 it can be the product of the herb, it can be 35:02 the herb itself, or it can be the flower of the 35:04 herb. So basically, God introduced a vegetable 35:08 diet. He told us to eat the vegetables after sin. 35:14 Now, the reason why He's saying that is because we 35:16 know that vegetables have healing properties. 35:20 There are different kinds of leaves, green, leafy 35:23 vegetables, greens that have healing properties. 35:28 Once I started to explore in these things how these 35:33 leaves have healing properties, I was amazed. 35:35 For example, as I told you, Indians are more 35:41 prone to diabetes. Now, in London, in a medical 35:46 college, they did a research and they 35:49 found out that one of the common leaves that 35:51 we use in our country is called curry leaves. 35:54 - Yes. - And if you just take a handful of curry 35:57 leaves, your chances of becoming diabetic 36:01 drastically comes down. There's been a study. 36:06 Now we see the reason why God has introduced 36:09 all these things in our lifestyle. - Now, I like 36:12 curry, and it's amazing that you mention that, 36:15 because it's a very common thing in the 36:18 Indian society. So now, let me ask this question. 36:22 I'm going to kind of... try to combine it 36:24 together. It doesn't mean that because you 36:26 use curry, you could still ignore the impact 36:30 of a heavy meat diet; that means you should 36:33 still try to avoid those other aspects that we 36:37 talked about earlier. - Yeah. Now, curry is 36:41 different; curry leaves are different. - Oh, okay. 36:45 Thank you. - Curry is basically where we add 36:48 a lot of spices and make it, but what I'm saying 36:51 is about curry leaves. - Curry leaves. Okay. 36:55 - It's a leaf off a small tree, and that is very 37:00 beneficial for diabetes. - How do you eat curry 37:02 leaves? How do you include it? - What I 37:05 recommend is, to my patients, to take a handful of curry 37:08 leaves and just chew it. - Hmm! - In Indian society, 37:12 we make a kind of sauce with that which we 37:17 generally like to take with rice. - Like? 37:20 - Yeah,? that's right! - I'm an Indian 37:24 connoisseur; I love Indian food. But that's 37:26 interesting, because we have- so now- 37:28 going back to the diabetes. We talked about some of 37:31 the ways of dealing with hypertension. We're going 37:33 to go over to heart disease in a moment. 37:34 But if a person wants to start handling their 37:37 diabetes, or some of the things that help some 37:39 hypertension also true in helping diabetes? 37:42 - Yeah. Definitely. Now, coming back to diabetes, 37:45 one of the most important things that they have to 37:48 do is they have to make a good meal plan. - Oh, okay. 37:52 - Now, I can give two or three good tips that 37:57 can help in the diabetic control. Number 1 is 38:04 you have to make a good meal plan. That is, your 38:07 breakfast has to be heavy, lunch has to 38:10 be lighter than the breakfast, and dinner 38:12 has to be very light. So, generally, people 38:17 come to me and say, "Doctor, once I become a diabetic, I 38:20 will stop from taking fruits." Then I said, 38:23 "Don't worry. You can have fruits, but fruits 38:27 have to be a separate meal." So, I tell my 38:32 patients to take the fruit for dinner, and 38:35 they say, "No, Doctor! If I take fruits, my sugar 38:37 will go high!" I said, "Okay, no problem. You 38:41 just take your fruits and see their fasting sugar." 38:44 So they take the fruits and then they see the 38:46 fasting sugar. "Doctor, my sugar has not gone 38:48 high!" I say, "Yeah." But if you eat something 38:53 else with your fruits, your sugar is going 38:55 to go high. Now, fruit is easy to digest, and 38:59 fruit has fructose, so you don't need 39:03 insulin to metabolize that. So, it's good to 39:05 have fruits for dinner because it's much lighter 39:08 and it gets easily digested. So, the meal 39:12 plan has to be in place. Breakfast, 39:14 heavy; lunch, light; and dinner, very 39:16 light. Or if they can go on two meals, that's 39:20 the best; but I don't advise two meals for 39:22 people who are hard-working, like who does agriculture 39:26 or labor, physical labor. So, I advise 39:30 them to go on a three-meal [a day] diet. But otherwise, if 39:33 it's office work and sedentary lifestyle, 39:36 two meals would be the best. - Okay, because 39:38 you're burning less fuel. - That's right, sir. So, 39:41 that is the first point. The second point is, 39:46 don't take refined food. When I say refined food, 39:49 I mean any food that's made with white rice 39:53 or white flour. So what are the foods that are 39:56 made with white flour? The bread, the pastas, 39:59 the noodles... All these things are made with white 40:03 flour. - What if you get spinach noodles? 40:06 - Spinach- but have they made it with whole 40:09 wheat? - Okay, whole wheat. - Yeah, so the 40:11 whole wheat should be- that's very important. 40:12 So, be careful about refined food and all 40:18 those things. The third thing is, it would be a 40:22 good decision if somebody can leave the animal food 40:28 out of this-yeah, animal products-out of the 40:30 body. Now, if you're leaving the animal 40:33 products, it's very, very important that 40:37 you substitute by adequate nuts and protein. That is, 40:44 protein from legumes. - Okay. Beans... - Yeah, 40:50 beans. Yeah. That's very, very important. 40:52 You have to substitute that; otherwise, you 40:54 can go weaker. So, if you can- they can talk 40:59 with their doctor or a nutritionist where 41:02 they will advise what would be the best for 41:05 them. - You know, it's interesting you mention 41:06 that, because sometimes, people say, "Well, I 41:08 can't go without meat! I have to have meat!" 41:11 Well, then you think of the cows who are huge 41:14 animals, but they eat pretty much vegetation. 41:18 - True. - And you look at some of the larger 41:20 animals- the gorilla. Even some of the larger 41:24 creatures in the seas are primarily vegetarians. 41:27 They don't eat meat; they don't include that 41:30 as a staple in their diet. So, it's possible 41:33 to get your proteins, your... And you mentioned 41:37 something a moment ago I want to talk about. 41:38 You said, "If you're going to eat fruits, 41:40 don't combine it." With ...what? Don't combine 41:44 it with what? - Generally, people like to have bread 41:47 then fruit or some rice and fruit... No. Fruit has 41:51 to be separate. - So separate digestion 41:53 process? - Yep. - Because one of them lengthens the 41:57 process of digestion; the other one slows it 41:59 down. - Yeah, that is true. Also, you don't 42:02 load your body with a lot of carbohydrates 42:05 at the same time. - Oh, carbs and fruits. - Yeah. 42:08 So, it's good to have fruits separately. Then, 42:12 the other thing is, diabetes patients- 42:16 it would be nice if they could get most of their 42:19 nutrients from legumes, from fruits, from vegetables, 42:27 and from nuts and seeds and less from grains, 42:31 like wheats or rice or oats. You know? Take 42:36 that less, and more of vegetables, more of 42:39 legumes. - I get you. Now, I want to capitalize 42:43 on, before we get to heart disease, we're 42:46 going to talk about some of your medical center. 42:49 It's called the AG Hospital & Lifestyle Center. What 42:56 does AG stand for? - For us, it's Almighty God 43:00 Hospital. [laughter] - I like that. Almighty 43:03 God. And why did you choose that name? - Actually, 43:06 my father-in-law was running the hospital. 43:10 Of course, it has family name meaning attached 43:13 to it; it means Amaliana Sundaram. That's 43:16 the family name. Yeah. It has dual meaning, 43:22 because it's a family hospital, so it has that 43:25 name. And it also means to us, "Almighty God 43:28 Hospital." - Okay. Ordained and directed 43:30 and kept alive, kept going, by God. You 43:33 have... Let's talk about some of the other treatments. 43:35 You have medical missionary training 43:40 included. Talk about some of the other 43:41 components, because not only do you focus 43:44 on diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease cures 43:47 in a natural way, but some of the other 43:49 things that you include and are part of the AG 43:54 Hospital & Lifestyle Center. - As I just mentioned to you, 44:00 we have a treatment program for patients. 44:02 And when people come to us, we take the history 44:05 and we work up the case, and we write treatment 44:09 programs specifically that works for them. 44:12 We have grown into this knowledge and we 44:15 still have so much to grow in this knowledge. 44:17 We have a research team that works and 44:20 researches this material. And now, we want to 44:25 disseminate this information so many can benefit. So, 44:30 that's why we have a training program where 44:32 we train young people as to how we handle 44:35 these patients and how they can help, they can 44:38 advise people to follow this kind of diet and 44:42 lifestyle. One of the other reasons why we 44:46 opt for this is because the treatments that 44:49 we suggest to people are economical, easily 44:54 available, and it works very well. - You also 44:57 include helping them think differently, so 44:58 you include counseling, because you can make 45:01 a person healthy, but then if they go back 45:03 and continue the way they lived before... 45:04 So you include counseling also in your lifestyle 45:07 center. - Very true. Now, that's a very 45:09 important part of the treatment, because we 45:13 all have certain habits that are formed over 45:16 years, it's very difficult to break, and we have 45:19 our likes that we cannot change. So, we tell them 45:23 how important it is to go to God to help 45:28 them to change what they like. That's what the gospel 45:30 is all about! The gospel is the power of God that 45:33 can change what we like. - Or a be transformed 45:36 by the renewing of your mind. That's good. And 45:40 also, you include treatments for things like arthritis, 45:44 cirrhosis, ulcers, hepatitis... These 45:49 are all- because there are so many prevalent 45:51 diseases that are included in the medical practice- 45:57 or the remedies, I should say. - Yeah. We 46:00 kind of treat different kinds of cases, as you 46:04 just mentioned: hepatitis, cancers, and arthritis. 46:10 It's interesting how God has helped His people to 46:14 come out of the condition. Now, yes- we have seen 46:18 a lot of miracles happening. Just because somebody 46:21 was cured of cancer... We have had patients, 46:25 4th stage cancer getting all right. Now, that doesn't 46:28 mean we have the treatment for cancer. - Right. - Now, 46:33 what I believe is... What is the role of a 46:36 physician? The role of a physician is to 46:40 take people to the source of healing. Now, God is 46:44 a source of healing. I like to apply this to 46:46 myself. The person with palsy. He was not able 46:50 to walk, so there were four people who carried 46:55 him to Jesus, brought him through the roof... 47:02 Now, we as physicians are the people who carry 47:06 the patient to Jesus. So, there was a certain rule 47:10 those people had to follow. They had to get ready 47:12 with a cloth, a stick, food preparation for 47:16 the journey, and plan how to get him to Jesus, 47:20 because this is the Source of healing. 47:22 So, that's our work. God has given certain 47:26 things in our hands. He said, "Natural remedies, 47:28 hydrotherapy..." He said all these things, so these 47:31 are the things that we have to do and say, "God, 47:33 now You heal." - That's right. So that's why, 47:36 in your practice, you have a three-pronged 47:38 approach. Physical... - Mental, and spiritual. 47:42 - Okay. Physical, mental, and spiritual. Dealing 47:45 with the things that happened to the body, 47:46 dealing with the attitude of the mind, and also 47:49 bringing them to Jesus. - Yeah. It is very important 47:53 to understand this, because unless you are 47:56 physically strong, you cannot be mentally 47:59 strong. - That's right. - Unless you are mentally 48:01 strong, you cannot be spiritually strong. 48:04 - Very good. - Now, which develops first 48:07 in a newborn baby? First is the physical 48:11 to develop, and then the mental develops, and then 48:14 the spiritual develops. So, if a person is 48:18 physically affected, he has maybe a high 48:22 fever or some physical condition... You can't 48:27 say, "Come, let me teach you something about 48:29 health." "Just leave me alone. You know I'm 48:31 not doing well." So the physical has to be strong 48:34 for the mental to be strong. When the mental 48:36 is strong, then the spiritual also gets... 48:41 So, this is very important and what 48:43 we emphasize in our program. - It's good 48:46 that we didn't get a lot of time on heart disease 48:48 today, but that's something we're going 48:50 to make sure that those who are watching 48:52 and listening to the program will get the 48:54 information they need to contact Dr. Enoch 48:56 Sundaram to find out more about it. But you 48:59 also have hydrotherapy. You include that also. 49:04 So it's a very well-rounded medical hospital & lifestyle 49:09 center. And I like the word 'hospital' and 49:11 'lifestyle.' You deal with the medicine when 49:14 it's needed, but most of your approach is natural 49:18 remedies. - Because medicines are scientific. 49:21 Based on science, it's given; but what God 49:26 is saying... "I have a better method." So, 49:28 it is basically, we have to help people to walk 49:31 to the better method step-by-step. - It's 49:34 amazing, this information that we talked about 49:36 today; it's very good news, and I want to 49:39 let our viewers and our listeners know that the 49:41 news is very good. What I want to do is I want 49:43 to give you the information that you need, the address 49:45 that you need, to get in touch with Dr. Enoch 49:48 Sundaram. And then right after that, you're going 49:51 to listen to a song by Kendol Bacchus which kind 49:54 of summarizes the program today. After that song, 49:57 we'll come back on the other side of our news 50:00 break for some closing thoughts. But the song's 50:02 entitled, "Ain't That Good News." 50:07 - For more information on Dr. Enoch, you may 50:10 contact him in India. His email address is: |
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