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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 - Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today. My name 01:11 is John Lomacang. Thank you for taking the time 01:13 to tune in. If you are part of our 3ABN family, 01:16 you already know my name. But if you're 01:18 just tuning in for the first time, remember this 01:21 network- one we believe is ordained by God to 01:24 carry three angels' messages-an undiluted 01:27 message to the world to get the world and 01:29 God's people ready for His soon return. Today, 01:33 we have a very interesting program. Now, we live in 01:35 a day and age where health is a tremendous 01:38 issue, and some individuals are slaves 01:41 to the practices and habits of their lives 01:44 that sometimes seem irreversible. Well today, 01:47 our program and our guests are going to 01:49 talk about how nature, how natural remedies, 01:52 how things that we have sometimes often forgotten 01:55 about can make a difference in enhancing 01:57 our health and maybe sometimes reversing 01:59 things that we thought were not reversible. 02:02 And so, stay tuned for a very informative and 02:04 exciting program about health and how our lives 02:07 can be enhanced. We also want to thank you for 02:10 your prayers and your financial support of this 02:12 network as we believe we're going and growing, 02:14 getting ready for the coming of our Lord. 02:16 We're going to go right into our program today. 02:18 We're talking about Black Hills Health 02:20 and Education Center, located in the beautiful 02:23 hills of South Dakota. Our guests today- 02:26 we're going to have a total of six guests on 02:28 our program, but we're going to meet the first 02:30 three right now. First of all, good to have 02:33 you here, Sylvia. For our audience, those 02:36 watching and listening to the program, tell us 02:38 who you are, where you're from, and 02:40 briefly, what you do right now. - My name 02:42 is Sylvia Malott Small. I'm from the Black Hills 02:44 of South Dakota, and currently, I'm president 02:47 of the Black Hills Health and Education Center. It's 02:50 a place where God put me, and a wonderful 02:52 place to be. - Wonderful; good to have you here 02:54 today. And our guest in the middle, I know 02:56 you very well. Al, good to see you again. - You 02:58 too, John. - Yeah, I remember when you 03:00 were at Broadview Academy. So good to 03:04 have you here today. Al Trace- I'll just 03:06 say that because we go back a ways; but tell 03:09 us what you do at Black Hills and what 03:11 capacity you serve there right now. - I'm 03:13 the director of the School of Massage 03:15 Therapy at Black Hills. We are actually the 03:18 only Christian massage school in the country. 03:21 We're excited about that. - Okay! Well, I'll be 03:24 coming to see you. - Good. - Good to have 03:26 you here today. And Dr. John Kelly, so good 03:29 to have you here today. You've been to 3ABN 03:31 before; but for those who have not met you 03:33 before, tell us what you do right now and 03:35 what capacity you are at Black Hills. - Thank 03:38 you. Yes, I'm John Kelly; I work at the Black Hills 03:41 in doing lifestyle medicine training and 03:45 also researching some of the outcomes of the 03:48 patients. So, my work has grown to where I 03:52 work with other centers, as well, just recently 03:55 at Weimar. So, I'm doing lifestyle medicine training. 03:58 - Good. Good to have you all here today. 04:00 You know, when we think about health, right now 04:03 one of the crises in America (and I think in many parts 04:05 of the world) is health. Healthcare costs are 04:09 continuing to skyrocket. Pharmaceutical drugs... 04:12 That's an industry that's just multiple 04:15 billion dollar industry- maybe trillions if you think 04:17 on a worldwide scale. But Black Hills has 04:20 taken a spot in the work that God has ordained 04:24 them to do. So, I want to begin with you, Sylvia, 04:26 president of the Black Hills Health and Education 04:29 Center. Give us some background on Black 04:32 Hills. Tell us a little bit about the center and how 04:34 long it's been there and what capacities 04:36 and what functions it has. - Well, it's interesting 04:39 you said "a spot." God has given us a beautiful 04:43 spot in Black Hills. More than 40 years 04:46 ago, some of our founders found out firsthand how 04:51 lifestyle medicine could change through a family 04:53 member of theirs who had very severe health 04:55 problems. She's still alive today, but she 04:57 went to, then, existing healthcare lifestyle 05:01 center. They felt a burden that they 05:04 wanted to open and make such a center available 05:06 in Mid-America and South Dakota area. 05:09 They found this 260 acres- beautiful-it's in the 05:12 canyon, and so the road dead-ends where 05:16 the center is in this canyon. It starts wide 05:17 and it goes narrower. We have a year-round creek 05:20 called Battle Creek, of all things, that runs 05:23 through it. It's just an absolutely gorgeous, 05:27 peaceful place with the birds and animals. It's 05:30 a wonderful location to come and recover in 05:33 God's nature. And for 40 years, the center 05:35 has been doing lifestyle medicine, live-in programs 05:38 where people come and they spend approximately 05:41 3 weeks there for the full program where they're 05:44 changing their habits and learning how to live 05:46 according to the eight natural laws that's 05:48 found in the Bible: proper diet and exercise 05:51 and air and water and all of that. So, we're 05:53 just privileged to have this most beautiful location 05:56 and have been there all these years, and we're 05:59 just looking forward to, as we're expanding our 06:02 programs and we've got these great plans of 06:04 things, how we're going to continue by God's 06:07 grace and with His blessings, continue 06:08 to grow and be able to minister to people to 06:10 help them improve their lives, and in doing so, 06:13 also learn about the God who created them 06:15 and loves them a lot so they can have eternal 06:17 life. - I went to Black Hills- my wife and I 06:19 went there. I was invited, actually, not to be a part 06:21 of the program, but I was invited to do a 06:23 Week of Prayer, some spiritual talks, every 06:25 day. But while being there, I benefited from 06:28 really, really good food. I didn't think 06:32 food could taste so good when you take away all 06:34 the paraphernalia that we add to it. You know, 06:36 a lot of the time, we eat salad, but there's 06:38 so many things on top of the salad. I was asking 06:41 so many questions. "Well, where is this?" You said, 06:43 "Oh, no-we don't have that, but use this instead." 06:46 And I thought, "Salad? Where are all my extra 06:48 external dressings that I pour on it?" And after 06:52 about one day, I thought, "Wow, that cucumber 06:56 tastes like a cucumber! That carrot tastes like a 06:58 carrot!" And a lot of times, people live their 07:01 lives and they don't actually focus on healthy 07:03 eating. A lot of things that we are suffering 07:06 with can be remedied and well on our way to 07:09 maybe lowering our blood pressure or dealing with 07:12 cholesterol...some of the things that are 07:14 lifestyle-related. And Dr. Kelly, we'll talk 07:16 about that a little bit more. But I appreciate 07:18 Black Hills. Every morning we woke up, one thing we 07:21 were assured of: nice, crisp air, clean, blue 07:25 skies, and instead of driving from our lodge 07:31 to the center, we walked. And every day, we felt 07:34 good. After about four days, my wife and I 07:36 said, "You know, maybe we ought to come up here 07:38 and do this program. We could- doing the 07:40 wades, and they took us on the long afternoon 07:42 walks. Beautiful, beautiful center. Those of you 07:45 watching, listening to the program, we'll 07:46 give you information at the end on how you 07:49 can participate and maybe find out how to 07:51 get to be a part of the Black Hills Center. Thank 07:53 you for laying that foundation. So, you 07:56 have people- Al, you've been there now for not 07:59 too long, but tell us about this. You introduced 08:01 a moment ago Christian Massage Center. Tell us 08:05 more about that. - Well, the massage school actually 08:09 started back in the 1990s before licensure was required. 08:14 Then in 2007, the state of South Dakota required 08:19 state licensure if you were going to teach 08:22 an accredited program- certificated program. 08:26 So, in 2007, the program started as a licensed 08:29 program. And since then, we've had a number of 08:32 students. It's really challenging today; there 08:36 are a lot of Christians- and in our case, we have 08:38 a lot of Adventist Christians coming through 08:40 the program-that can find a place to study without 08:43 getting into the all of the Eastern modalities. 08:47 Most schools today teach energy work, 08:49 which we don't. We try to be more evidence-based. 08:52 We've just been really blessed. Every class 08:58 becomes a blessing to us. Yeah. We've got a special 09:04 program starting in the next few months, and 09:07 we normally average anywhere from 6 to 09:09 10 students, which is a good number for us. 09:12 - So, you're teaching them to do... - We're 09:14 teaching them. And then they are eligible to get 09:17 state licensure in whatever state they're 09:19 living in by taking the national exam. - Wonderful. 09:21 - And at this point in time, we have over a 09:23 99% pass-rate on the national exam since the 09:27 school started, which is exciting. - You know, 09:29 I remember years ago- my wife and I, what we 09:31 do is when we travel, sometimes we take long 09:33 flights. 14 hours- I remember going to Australia 09:35 once, and we were in the very back of the 09:37 in United Airlines, and we vowed never to sit 09:41 all the way in the back where the tail is continually 09:42 bumping. And the first question they asked us 09:45 when we landed, they said, "What would you 09:46 like to do first?" We said, "Could you take 09:48 us to the mall? We need a massage." Many 09:51 people don't realize the therapeutic nature 09:53 of a massage. But to learn it the way that you talked 09:59 about-I like the fact that you talked 10:00 about you don't get into the Eastern modalities- 10:03 you're not getting into all the discussions that 10:06 sometimes intend to lean on New Age ideology 10:10 but just to healing of the body. - There 10:12 are a lot of challenges besides therapists today. 10:14 It's becoming just heavily involved-the Eastern 10:18 modalities are becoming heavily involved in massage 10:21 therapy. And so, we speak to the students 10:26 a lot about that. You've really got to be firm, 10:28 you've got to understand what you believe, understand 10:30 what is the appropriate modalities to use... 10:35 There are a number of modalities that are 10:38 very heavily involved in mysticism and Eastern 10:43 techniques. - Wow. - And so, yeah. It's great. 10:46 The first week of the program, we have a 10:49 week-long biblical response therapy training for our 10:51 students, which they all love. It sets the 10:55 tone for the program. We get a number of 10:58 students every year and at every session that 11:00 found us on the web. - Okay. - And I said, 11:04 "How did you find us?" "We just googled Christian 11:06 massage school." - Okay, wonderful. - And it's pretty 11:09 exciting that we've got some coming this next 11:12 year from Ohio, Maryland, California-from all over 11:19 the country, basically. - Wow, wonderful. You 11:21 know, just before I get to Dr. John Kelly, I want 11:23 to show a couple of pictures, because we've 11:25 bragged about how beautiful it is in 11:27 Black Hills that I think people should be able 11:29 to see-those who are watching-should be 11:31 get at least a glimpse of what it looks like 11:32 in the Black Hills. We'll walk through a couple 11:34 of pictures, then tell us what we're watching. 11:36 - Well, this is just the natural beauty around 11:39 us, and then we're going to see. The 11:41 next one will be the lifestyle center. This 11:43 is our lifestyle center building...another view 11:47 from it during summertime. - Wow. - That's what it's 11:50 like most of the time; although, we do occasionally 11:53 get some white stuff. This is employee housing 11:57 and then student housing and guest housing- 11:59 non-lifestyle guest housing. But it's to 12:02 say, it does sometimes be winter. This is- that's 12:05 the Battle Creek I was talking about. It's a year-round 12:07 creek. This is just our beautiful valley and our 12:10 beautiful Battle Creek. The hikes you can take 12:14 and everything are superb. I do believe that is one 12:18 of God's ways of healing is getting out in the fresh 12:21 air and experiencing the calm peacefulness 12:25 of nature. At night, you can open your 12:27 window and you can hear the creek 'cause there's 12:30 no other sounds. I mean, it just really is an escape 12:33 from the world to come and rest and recover 12:36 your spirit as well as your body. - As a young 12:40 man raised in New York City, I understand exactly 12:42 what you mean. When we open the window in New 12:44 York, we hear cars and tires screeching and 12:47 any number of sounds- music and all. But my 12:50 wife and I now live out here where we open the 12:52 door of- if we hear sounds at night, we know it's got 12:54 to be the raccoon going for the bird food. - Right. 12:57 - There's always some kind of- maybe the 12:58 possum eating out of the pan, or the groundhog 13:01 comes up during the day and looks in the 13:02 window while we're there and say, "Did you forget 13:04 to put my food out today?" And so, nature 13:06 is a beautiful healing method, and God has 13:08 really wrapped Black Hills in a wonderful 13:10 setting, which really is good for people that 13:13 need medical help...which is a good segue to Dr. 13:17 Kelly. Dr. Kelly, good to have you here. - Good 13:19 to be with you. - Remind us- actually, walk us 13:22 down some of the things that you participate in 13:25 at the Black Hills Health and Education Center. 13:27 - Sure. But before I- let me just say one 13:29 thing. Having been the medical director there 13:32 for a couple of years, it's so good to have 13:35 the massage students there. They're there 13:37 for about six months, and they are good Christian 13:41 young people, although we have some mature 13:43 students now, and it's such a wonderful influence 13:46 on the campus. It really does add an element 13:50 that makes it fun to be there. But anyway, 13:52 to your question- so, when the Lord brought 13:58 me and my wife there to Black Hills about 14:01 three-and-a-half years ago, there was a need 14:03 for a physician, and there had been a really 14:08 robust program; but through some change in 14:12 personnel, we had to sort of rebuild. It was 14:16 a real blessing to me and to my wife. She 14:19 actually does the accounting on campus. 14:24 We began by establishing a program that was built 14:29 around an accredited curriculum so that we 14:33 were able to offer training for physicians. 14:37 So, I was involved in starting the American 14:40 College of Lifestyle Medicine years ago, 14:42 and that has really grown tremendously; 14:44 there's about 2,500 or so members now. The thing 14:49 that the physicians who want to practice these 14:51 lifestyle change approaches to treatment, the problem 14:56 is that there's no training; they don't know. You have 15:00 to figure this out on your own, and many 15:03 doctors have done that- and nurses. But the demand 15:06 has been growing, and now we have practically 15:10 every- well, actually, every program that I work with now at 15:13 Black Hills, we have physicians or physician assistants or 15:17 some medical professional involved there to get training. 15:22 So, the focus that has grown- when I first 15:25 came, it was building the program using credible 15:29 curriculum. Now, it's actually training physicians 15:31 and other professionals. There at Black Hills, already, 15:36 I believe, we've trained somewhere above a dozen; 15:38 I don't know the exact number - 12-15 physicians. 15:41 The thing that I see happening- you know, 15:46 Sylvia mentioned that we started 40 years or 15:49 so ago. You know, I'm considered privileged. I knew Dr. Beltz, 15:53 who was one of the founders; he was the 15:55 main physician in the program back then. A 15:58 real- talk about high energy. You know, bless 16:00 your heart. You have high energy, but Dr. 16:02 Beltz makes us all look kind of feeble. He was 16:05 very high-energy. But in that 40 years, things 16:09 have changed, and now... Actually, it's a good thing 16:12 that physicians in their practices are wanting 16:15 to help their patients make lifestyle changes: 16:18 to change their diet, to leave off the foods 16:21 that are harmful, and so on. I mean, we know, 16:23 for example, that the way we eat has more 16:26 effect on our gene switches turning on 16:28 the healthy genes, if you will, and turning 16:30 off the unhealthy ones, than anything that science 16:33 has discovered. I mean, there's a whole field 16:35 called nutrigenomics built around the idea 16:38 that a specific nutrient can be discovered that 16:42 switches on or off a certain type of disease 16:45 genes. This is a very complex science, but 16:49 the point I'm making is simply that how we live, 16:52 we now know, affects our gene switches. 16:54 It adds a depth of significance. It's 17:00 way more than just trying to lose some 17:01 weight or trying to clear up our blood 17:05 vessels. Actually, we can change the gene 17:08 switches and dramatically change ourselves and our 17:12 body. So, that science has convinced and is 17:16 convincing regular physicians that, "Yes, this is science- 17:21 based. I need to learn it." But where? Where 17:24 do they learn it? So I'm excited that I 17:27 also had the privilege of being the lead author 17:29 of the board review course for physicians 17:32 who can take their boards; just like 17:35 taking the massage school board, you take a board 17:38 in lifestyle medicine. So, that's really the 17:40 main thing that I work on, and the Lord opened 17:43 that door since I've been there at Black 17:46 Hills. - You know, the amazing thing about that- 17:48 I'm listening to the switches point. That's 17:50 why, a lot of times, we program our bodies 17:53 to expect certain things. I know the first time- 17:56 and I've seen somebody do this once. A little 17:59 baby... A parent put a little olive, like, a 18:04 little green olive on their tongue, and the 18:05 baby's head almost shrunk to half the 18:07 size. 'Cause it was so sour, they went... 18:10 But I would say that introduction was so 18:14 sour, the baby hadn't had any database of 18:17 that taste before, and it just really shocked the 18:20 child. And sugar could do the same thing, and 18:24 the body starts to chronicle all these 18:26 tastes, and you're turning certain switches 18:28 on and certain switches off. And then all of a 18:31 sudden, you build this taste expectation that 18:33 your body's now longing for and expecting and 18:35 craving. So then what I'm hearing you say is, we could 18:40 retrain our bodies by resetting those switches 18:43 and turning on the right switches. Am I kind of 18:45 going along the same path? - No, no-exactly. 18:47 Actually, there are two dimensions to it. There 18:50 is that taste that we develop for certain 18:53 things; but then there's another aspect, and that 18:55 is depending on what our regular diet is 18:59 affects the switches. So, it's not the one-time 19:03 taste, but it's the habitual... - Retraining. 19:06 - Yes. But it's a very similar kind of thing. 19:08 Well, actually, you know, we do have the ability 19:11 to- our taste buds've been shown with biochemistry, with 19:16 science, that they change in response to the choices 19:19 I make in my food. So, if I decide I want to 19:22 go ahead and eat that sour olive, I will develop 19:25 a taste for these green olives. If I decide I want 19:29 to eat candy bars, I will develop a taste, 19:32 and that's what you're driving- you get this 19:34 habitual desire. I tell people, "You do not just 19:39 inherit genes from your parents; you inherit 19:42 recipes." [laughter] - That's a good one. 19:46 Yeah. Your body is, in some sense... What's 19:50 the phrase that's used? Hereditary? - Yes. 19:52 - Hereditary things are often communicated that 19:55 if you practice, it becomes cultivated. 19:57 - Correct. We think that we inherit, for 20:00 example, a taste for meat; but in reality, 20:04 there's a lot of cultivation to that, 20:06 and we can change that choice. - Mm. And even- 20:09 I'm learning that even certain smells, like if 20:13 somebody is cooking certain things, it'll 20:14 bring out an expectation, because you smell something 20:17 that you could associate taste with, and it just- 20:21 you know, the taste buds- and it starts 20:22 watering, you say, "It's almost lunchtime," 20:25 or, "I hope it's almost lunchtime." But I was 20:27 there at the Black Hills, and I really appreciated- 20:29 we're going to talk about this in the second half of 20:31 the program-the diet, the food; all those things 20:34 that really are significantly part of the program, of all 20:37 the curriculum that you offer, the massage, 20:40 retuning the body- and I tell you, Al- 20:43 very few people understand the importance of a body in 20:47 tune. My wife and I, we can tell. When we've 20:50 driven too long, we can tell we gotta get ourselves 20:54 adjusted, go to a good chiropractor...and then, 20:57 food! When we went to the Black Hills, one thing 20:59 we noticed after about three days-and I think 21:02 it's the food-we were less tired. We went to 21:06 bed earlier, we walked in the morning, we breathed 21:10 clean air, and we were less tired. I thought, 21:14 "Why am I so tired when I go back home?" And I 21:17 realized, it's not activity; sometimes, it's environment 21:19 and the things we put in our bodies. What else 21:22 do you want to add to that? - I just want to 21:24 add to it- Dr. Kelly said- 'cause it's 21:25 such an incredible point. We're told, "You should 21:28 know the truth and the truth shall set you free." 21:29 We are not slaves to our genetics! People 21:33 say, "I was born this way. I was born with 21:36 propensity towards heart disease," or obesity or 21:39 anything else. And what Dr. Kelly expresses in 21:42 his lectures-I loved his lecture-was that 21:44 we can change those switches. We might 21:47 have that DNA, but how- and it's not just food. 21:50 It is your whole lifestyle. I mean, the way that you 21:53 stress or don't stress- all components of it. 21:55 That's why you can't just dwell on the food, 21:57 but all components of it. And what Dr. Kelly 21:59 did when we started off our session-one of the 22:01 last sessions-and the guests were amazed, because they 22:05 thought they were condemned to be like their parents and 22:08 grandparents and to be told that you have the 22:10 freedom through your lifestyle choices. Our 22:13 God is a god of freedom. You have the freedom 22:15 through your lifestyle choices that you can 22:17 change not your genetics, maybe, but the switches 22:20 on your genetics that you do not have to be 22:22 condemned to live the life of your parents 22:24 and your grandparents if there's health issues. 22:26 - Anything else you want to add to that, Dr. Kelly? 22:28 - No, I- well, I will say this: that we bring 22:32 that point out in the beginning of the program, 22:34 because as Sylvia was just saying, it's 22:37 transformational information the guest realize the potential, 22:42 and we want them to grasp the potential as 22:45 early in the program as possible so they get 22:47 as much benefit as possible. But it is 22:51 amazing. I mean, I give that talk literally around 22:54 the world on the epigenetics and lifestyle medicine. It is 22:59 transformational. People have a completely different 23:02 understanding of making healthy lifestyle change 23:05 when you realize it's changing my genes, 23:09 which is I'm turning genes on and off by 23:11 my choice. You know, Dr. Randy Jirtle was 23:15 the one that first published research 23:18 on this from Duke University, and I 23:20 love one of the statements he made about this. He 23:22 says, "Epigenetics is proving that we have 23:25 some responsibility for our genome and 23:28 it introduces the understanding of free 23:31 will into genetics, which for 20 or 30 23:35 years, the dogma was, "Well, you can't pick 23:38 your parents." Well, you can't pick your 23:40 parents, but you can choose your lifestyle. 23:43 You don't have to eat the same recipes that 23:45 Mom... If they're not healthy, we can change 23:48 them. - So, it's not necessarily- we're not 23:51 predisposed and preprogrammed to fail, to be out of shape, 23:56 to be overweight... In many cases, some 23:59 of those things may be hereditary, 24:01 but it doesn't say you have no choice...and 24:03 that's what I'm hearing. - That's right. - You DO 24:05 have a choice. - John, I don't want to be 24:06 personal here, but my own experience was about 24:09 15 years ago; I had a quadruple bypass surgery, 24:13 and I had to make major changes. I was 80 pounds 24:16 heavier. And what John is saying, I had to make 24:19 some serious decisions; and by God's grace, I'm 24:22 still kicking...you know? And that's, to me, what's 24:25 the blessing about the kind of program that 24:27 we offer. - That's right. - Changes can be made. 24:30 Not easy... - But it can be made. - And 24:33 the results are pretty amazing. - Wonderful, 24:35 wonderful. You know, when we talk about 24:37 Black Hills Health and Education Center, there 24:41 are a number of other components to it that 24:43 we're going to talk about in the second 24:44 half of our program. I think a wonderful time- 24:47 we're thinking about what you contribute... 24:50 But as we talk about this health center, 24:53 this educational lifestyle center, it's Christian-based, 24:57 and it's able to be Christian-based because 24:59 of the tribute that the Lord has made in each 25:02 one of our lives. Christianity is not something that's just 25:05 theological, but it's also practical; it's 25:07 educational; it's based on your health. It's a 25:10 total lifestyle, and so many people today- 25:13 there's science to Christianity; and when 25:16 you think about that, I can't think of a better 25:18 song to segue to the second half. This song, 25:21 "My Tribute." How can I say thanks? And right 25:24 after this song, we're going to transition into 25:26 some other components of the Black Hills lifestyle- well, 25:31 Health and Education Center. 29:28 - Thank you for that wonderful song, "My 29:30 Tribute"-Sam Ocampo. He really has a connection 29:34 to that piano. And as I segued into that 29:36 particular song, the tribute that the Lord 29:39 has made in our lives has enabled each of 29:43 you to participate in, now, your contributions 29:46 to those who come to the Black Hills Health 29:48 and Education Center. If you glance at all, 29:51 you might notice that there are some different 29:52 people that are here, and I'd like to introduce 29:54 them at this time. By the way, Sylvia is the 29:58 president of the Black Hills Health and Education 30:00 Center. Good to have you back on the second 30:02 half of the program. - Thank you. - But 30:04 the lady to your right, I'll allow you to introduce 30:06 yourself. Tell us who you are, where you're 30:07 from, and, in a nutshell, what you do right now. 30:09 - Okay. I am Janice Grote, and I live in Missouri, 30:13 but I've had the opportunity and privilege to come and 30:17 work as a nurse several times up at the Black Hills. 30:20 I feel blessed and privileged each time 30:23 I come, so I hope to come up there and work 30:26 for several months in a row, now, instead of 30:29 one-month segments. - She will be. - Okay. 30:31 The weather and the beautiful atmosphere 30:33 and setting is getting to you; it's kind of 30:35 drawing you. - It really does, yes, and the people 30:38 and the guests- watching them make their improvements, 30:40 it's wonderful. - And your name? - Jan. Jan 30:44 Grote. - Janice Grote. Good to have you here. 30:46 - Thank you. - And I may comment about the 30:48 young lady sitting next to you, but I'll allow you 30:51 to introduce yourself and tell us what capacity 30:52 you are at the Black Hills Health and Education 30:55 Center. - Okay. I'm Kezzia, and I live in 30:59 South Dakota. I actually work in the kitchen. I 31:03 pretty much am running it at this point. - Wow. 31:06 - So, all the cooking and everything involved. 31:09 - And I heard that as quickly as you summarized 31:13 that, there's a whole lot more involved. We're 31:15 going to get that out of you in just a moment, 31:17 because I've been to Black Hills before, and 31:19 I know that one of the staples of that health 31:21 and education center is food. It's not just 31:25 salads-and Sylvia reminded me. - No. 31:28 [laughter] - It's not just salads. It's a 31:30 beautiful culinary- we're going to find 31:32 out what you do to make the guests keep wanting 31:34 to come back. To my far right is Barbara Savage. 31:39 I was trying to fix it up and make it French 31:41 like, "Suh-VAUJ," but it's 'savage.' Good to 31:43 have you here, Barbara. - Thank you; good to be 31:44 here. - And tell us your capacity at Black 31:46 Hills. - I do the massage and hydrotherapy for the 31:49 women, and wherever else I need to fill in. - Okay! 31:55 Wonderful, wonderful. I'm glad to have you all 31:58 in the second half of the program. Black Hills 32:00 is really gaining ascendency? in the minds of those who 32:04 attend there, because we have a number of 32:05 educational and health centers around the 32:07 nation...but there's something about Black 32:10 Hills, not leaving the others out, because 32:11 each one has his own staple and its own 32:13 specialty. But somehow, people like the mountains, 32:16 they like the clean air, they like the history, 32:19 they like the valley... And what do you think 32:22 about all those aesthetics that surrounds you? Just 32:25 a gorgeous garden out there. - Well, nature 32:28 is God's second book, and we are a ministry. 32:31 We're a self-supporting ministry, and the people 32:33 who work here, I consider them missionaries-our 32:37 missionary pay. But we're there because 32:40 we have a burden for people and we want 32:43 them to live a full, rich life here in this 32:46 life; but more importantly, we want them to have 32:48 eternal life where they're going to pick 32:50 from the tree, and it's going to be very plant- 32:52 based there! So, having the beautiful natural 32:57 surroundings just helps us. We have people who 33:00 may not walk closely with the Lord and may 33:02 have never walked with the Lord; it helps us. 33:05 The Spirit is there and the Holy Spirit helps us 33:08 with this beautiful natural surrounding 33:10 to separate them from the world and to make 33:13 them reduce their stress and think on the spiritual 33:16 things. And that's just, I think, a very, very 33:18 important aspect of our program is its natural 33:22 beauty and where it is. We have, as Dr. Kelly 33:24 was saying, we have all the evidence-based 33:26 scientific stuff. Kezzia and her menus are 33:30 fantastic; but being in these natural, beautiful 33:33 surroundings where you can get out and walk... 33:35 - That's right. - ...I think really contributes 33:38 to the ministry of the program. - Just being 33:40 there for one day, my stress went from like, 33:42 here to like...just sloped down, because 33:44 I woke up in the morning to the sound of nothing... 33:46 and that's important. Not the sound of a car 33:48 door slamming, not the sound of neighbors 33:50 walking above our heads, but it's just to the sound 33:53 of nothing-or maybe the trees rustling or a bird 33:56 in the distance, chirping... It's just so beautiful, 33:59 the way that God intended it to be. - And then we do 34:02 have our spiritual- we do not have anyone here 34:04 right now representing our biblical response 34:06 therapy, but we have morning devotions that- 34:10 morning stretches and morning devotions with 34:12 the guests, and we have spiritual and mental coaches 34:17 that help them go through, and for those who are open 34:20 to learn biblical applications of how to 34:23 reduce your stress and various things. And if 34:25 they have problems, something going on in 34:27 their life, there are people that they can 34:28 talk to. For those who don't come in and don't 34:31 want to be as spiritually inclined, it is optional 34:33 for them that most people, guests, will listen in and 34:38 they still benefit from these concepts that 34:41 come from the Bible. Even if they aren't 34:43 yet ready to embrace the Bible, they still 34:45 benefit from the concepts. So, that is a very important 34:48 element of our program, and, again, I'm sorry that 34:50 none of our spiritual and mental coaches 34:52 were able to be here today to talk about this. 34:54 But that's how we start the day-that prayer is 34:59 a very important aspect if we pray with the guests 35:02 and we don't push anything on them, but 35:04 we certainly let them know that we're trying 35:06 to demonstrate not only a good lifestyle 35:08 for them, but we want to demonstrate God's 35:10 love through everything that we do. - Right. 35:12 Social, mental, spiritual, and physical, all the 35:14 aspects of life that balance us out-which 35:17 is really interesting to me, because as 35:18 I ask the RN and the nurse here, Janice Grote- 35:21 because when people come to the program... 35:23 Let's talk about- so, I'm coming in for the 35:25 first time. What actually happens in preparation 35:27 for me to become a participant in the 35:29 program? What actually- what kind of protocol 35:31 does a person go through when they just say, "Okay, 35:33 I'm here; I want to enter the program"? What do 35:36 you actually do? - Well, they come in kind of 35:40 scared and not sure what we're going do to them. 35:42 They get scared about what they're going to 35:44 be fed, and they're relieved real quickly 35:47 that first morning. But then, as the nurse, we 35:50 make sure that they know not to eat anything 35:52 during the night and that they will have a 35:54 blood draw, a pre-blood draw, before the program 35:58 the first morning. Then, at the end of the program, 36:02 the post-draw, they will get to see these wonderful 36:05 results, and that's a very exciting time for 36:08 the guest and for me to watch them, Ryan, 36:13 so animated and so motivated. He was 36:16 ideal to see his CRP go from 14 to 4. 36:22 - What's a CRP, particularly? - It's the C-reactive protein, 36:25 and that has to do with the inflammation in your 36:29 body. So, anything over a three is too high. So, 36:33 his going from a 14 to a 4 was so exciting for 36:39 him. - And that's Ryan Day, one of our guys 36:41 here. - Yes, exactly. - Singer in Israel and 36:43 preacher. - Oh, he was such a great guest. We 36:46 enjoyed him so much. Like I said, he was so 36:48 animated, and every meal got a picture. 36:54 He'd be talking about, "Now, that's my favorite," 36:57 and then the next day, THAT might be his favorite. 36:59 So, he was so much fun. So, yeah. And his cholesterol, 37:04 also, went from... It was a really good drop, 37:08 as well, so he was very happy about that. I was 37:10 the first one to get to see his weight. We 37:14 weighed him, and then him coming back and 37:16 getting that second weight, he was hoping 37:19 that he would maybe lose 10 pounds, and was so 37:23 thrilled when he'd lost 21 pounds... 21.4. And 37:28 you know, losing 9 inches from the 37:32 measurements. - So the program is very effective! 37:36 But you assess a person when they go in to kind 37:38 of see, "Well, you're at the starting line here. 37:40 Now, we're going to gage you as you, 37:42 so to speak, run around this track, a rehabilitation 37:44 and change and reform in a lot of areas of your 37:48 life. - Exactly. - Wow. - And at first, you know, 37:52 maybe the exercise was a little difficult and he 37:55 was getting kind of sore. The second day, both our 37:58 guests said-or maybe it was the third day- 38:00 "You know, I've been doing really well," and 38:02 they were really wanting to, again, do the whole 38:04 program. But then, it's like, they both came 38:07 down and said, "You know, I feel like I got 38:09 ran over by a truck. Now, I'm not so good 38:11 this morning." But you know, that's what happens 38:15 with our bodies when you start making those changes; 38:17 then, our bodies react and they start detoxing 38:21 and such, and it's not a real good feeling. But 38:25 they came out of that shortly and we're back 38:27 on going forward, and quickly... - That's right; 38:32 they're back on the track of life. - Exactly. 38:34 - Since you talked about Ryan, I want to show 38:36 some more pictures here, because it's a very interesting- 38:38 apart of the program here- we saw some of the first 38:40 half of the program. I want to talk about 38:42 some of these, and maybe you can walk 38:44 us through... Any one of you could comment 38:45 on the pictures that we're going to see 38:46 right now, because this right here... Look 38:49 at that setting. I think that speaks for itself. 38:53 That's what you see on a daily basis. - That's 38:55 where you go walking. Dan would lead the 38:57 walks after lunch. - Okay. And that's what time 39:02 of year? - Spring... - It's like, June. - Summer? 39:05 Spring, summer. Wow. I mean, skies- all 39:07 these pictures- now, that's some canyon 39:09 wall? - Yeah, that's Battle Creek running 39:10 there, and that's- heading back with the canyon gets 39:13 more narrow. - Okay. - Behind the center. 39:15 - And that's...you can't tell about Inspiration Point. 39:18 - Okay. Like I said, Ryan was very motivated; 39:23 but, you know, it was cold when he was there 39:25 in the wintertime. We'd been walking most every 39:31 day. And sometimes, that wind is really 39:33 crazy out there and such, but I said, "You 39:36 know, maybe today is the day. Maybe you 39:38 should do Red Canyon Road." Well, Red Canyon Road 39:42 is a very sharp, steep hill, and it's a good 39:47 quarter of a mile. So, yep-today was the 39:51 day. And so, we had to make a few stops, but 39:57 he made it all the way up to a stop sign, which 40:00 was...by the time we got back home-back 40:02 to the lodge, I should say-it was a mile and 40:05 a half. He was so excited that he had been able to 40:11 do that, knowing a week ago, he couldn't have 40:14 done that. And then, the next week, a day 40:17 before he left, he wanted to go up Red Canyon Road 40:21 again. So, we went all the way to the stop 40:24 sign and back-and I think that was two 40:26 miles-but he wanted, really, to be the one 40:30 guest who'd walked the most of any guest that'd 40:33 ever been there. So, the next day, they were 40:38 leaving, so it's like, "The next time I come, 40:41 I'll do that." But I didn't tell about 40:43 Inspiration Point; we haven't shown that 40:44 though, so I just... - Yeah. Let's just 40:46 go back to that picture, the down-looking picture 40:48 from the mountaintop of the center. That one, 40:50 that right there. - Yeah. And then, another day, 40:51 "Okay, Ryan, maybe today, you should go 40:54 up Inspiration Point." So, again, he walked 41:00 to the top, and there's a high five. Maybe 41:03 they'll show that later, where he and the BRT 41:05 counselor were giving a high five after he'd 41:09 made it to the top of Inspiration Point. It's not 41:15 just smooth walking up to the top... - No, I can 41:17 see, because the altitude does really... It takes 41:20 a sharp... - Yeah, there's a lot of rocks and such, so 41:24 it was an undertaking... but I was so proud of him. 41:27 He was so much fun to have as a guest. - And 41:30 you know, part of that, Janice, that made the 41:33 difference is not only the medical side, but 41:36 Kezzia was making sure he had the fuel. - Oh, 41:39 absolutely. She's a favorite there-let 41:42 me tell you. - She's quite quiet, but we're 41:45 going to get some- tell us, Kezzia, give us a 41:47 peak into the mind of a culinary artist at 41:51 Black Hills Health and Education Center. - Well... 41:55 [laughter] I guess when I start my days 42:01 in the kitchen or when I'm planning a menu, 42:03 I want to be sure to give the food to the 42:08 guest that will the most quickly and 42:13 effective results they want. So, I start there, 42:18 and I look for plant foods, for whole foods, 42:22 for as much nutrition as I can possibly fit 42:26 into the meals. And then from there, I take 42:28 it and put it into different dishes and 42:32 try to make it look nice. - Okay. - Not 42:35 just salads, but all sorts of different 42:38 things. And even the salads we do have, not 42:40 just your regular lettuce and salads with dressing, 42:44 but a variety. - Okay. So there's not only 42:47 just the nutritional food, but also, there's 42:49 some artistry to it, too. It doesn't just 42:51 taste good; it also looks good. - Yes. - Wow. - Every 42:55 meal is beautiful. - That's right. - It's 42:57 picture-perfect. - That gives a different bend 43:00 to that song. "Every meal is beautiful..." 43:03 [laughter] "...in its own way." But you're 43:05 the quiet storm in the kitchen! Because you 43:08 don't strike me as that person that's going to 43:10 be shouting, "Dinner's ready!" - No! I actually 43:13 don't. People come at mealtimes, and I have 43:16 the food ready to go. - Okay. - But sometimes, 43:19 they do come and stand in the hallway and talk, 43:20 and then I have to go chorale them. But mostly, 43:24 I don't have to do that. - Because they're ready. 43:27 - They're ready to eat. - They go for one meal- 43:29 and then let me just ask this question. One of the 43:31 practices at Black Hills is you try to 43:33 prevent them or try to encourage them not to 43:36 eat between meals, 'cause there's a science 43:39 to that. I should have asked Dr. Kelly. Tell 43:41 us about that. -? 43:43 Dr. Kelly would've been a good person to ask. 43:46 Basically, it is a way for your body to reset 43:49 between meals and to help your system handle 43:54 your day, your food, better and to enable 43:59 you to find more satisfaction in the food that you do eat 44:04 so that you're not as tempted to eat between 44:06 meals. - That's good. So, you get the nutrition 44:09 you need. And think of it this way. You know, 44:11 between filling up your vehicle- you fill it up 44:14 and you park it. You don't just keep filling 44:17 it up. You wait till that fuel burns off, 44:20 then you put the fuel back in; and the body 44:22 is similar, is the same way, and some of us 44:24 live, like one person once said they eat 44:25 one meal a day, all day. That's not what is a 44:29 healthy practice. Well, for some people, that 44:32 may be-I'll talk about this at a different time- 44:35 if you're trying to gain weight, there's a healthy 44:37 way of doing that. But when you don't eat 44:40 between meals, you look forward to the 44:42 next one, which I learned when I went to Black Hills. 44:44 So, I was in that kitchen for breakfast, for lunch, 44:48 and I surely didn't miss dinner, because after 44:50 dinner was the next meal that is...breakfast. 44:52 Wow. - Can I just say... - Sure. - All that fiber- 44:56 I mean, these are high-fiber meals, and 44:59 that helps to hold the food so it's not emptying 45:01 out in a hurry and then you're starving. - That's 45:04 right. - One of our guests said the whole 45:06 time she was there, she was never hungry. 45:09 Well, she went from eating three meals a 45:11 day like most people do, and yeah. So, she 45:16 was so happy about that; but I hope we 45:18 get a picture of a plate or several plates of the 45:21 food, because they're going to be amazed at 45:25 how much they get to intake. - Oh, I remember 45:27 that. I don't want to miss Barbara, because 45:30 Barbara's very much a part of it, not only- 45:32 tell us- remind us of your capacity at Black 45:35 Hills. - I do the massage and hydrotherapy for the 45:38 guests-women guests. - Now, hydrotherapy... 45:41 Talk about that, because Al Trace talked about 45:43 some of the massage- hydrotherapy. Somebody 45:45 might think, "A hydro water..." Tell us about 45:48 that. Kind of open up that and explain that 45:50 to us. - We have several ways of giving it. There's 45:53 Russian steam bath and contrast showers and 45:57 contrast foot baths and hot-and-cold 46:00 fomentations and infrared sauna... Ryan especially 46:05 liked the infrared sauna. - Now, the contrast showers... 46:09 Somebody once talked about a funny event 46:12 at Black Hills. We had a guy that was living 46:14 here. He had a contrast shower. Would contrast 46:17 be hot and cold? - Mhm. - Which one do you start 46:20 with? - Hot. [laughter] - I cannot... It's in my 46:24 mind still. He said he was in this contrast 46:26 shower, and they didn't inform him when they 46:28 were going to go completely cold, and they heard this 46:31 blood-curdling scream and they realized it was 46:34 him. But the contrast... Tell us, what does that 46:36 do? What does that do for you? - Well, it's 46:38 very stimulating. It'll stimulate your immune 46:40 system, it's good for people that have 46:42 depression... It perks them up, gets a lot of 46:46 the endorphins going, and it's good for people 46:52 that are trying to quit smoking. There are eight 46:56 showerheads in the contrast shower, so they're getting 46:59 it from all directions. The temperature controls 47:01 are on the outside, and we usually warn them 47:04 ahead of time. [laughter] And it's going to be 3 47:07 minutes of hot, and then 10 seconds of cold, 3 47:11 more minutes of hot, 15 seconds of cold, 3 47:15 more minutes of hot, and then it could be 47:16 20 seconds, but it could be longer. I just tell 47:20 them, "Just tell me when you've had enough." 47:21 There were people that were competing at one 47:24 point. Some were going 2 and a half minutes in 47:26 the cold, and it gets cold, like...down to like, 47:31 58 degrees it can get to if you run it long enough. 47:36 - But that's good, though! So, the benefit to the 47:39 body is stimulation, sending the blood to 47:42 and from to the different organs, because when you 47:45 said-how many shower heads? Eight shower 47:47 heads? - Mhm. - So, you're not- you can't 47:49 run from one shower head, because it's 47:51 getting it all over the place. Is it a circular 47:53 shower, or is it...? - No, it's just a square 47:56 shower, but they're on three sides; the shower 47:58 heads are on three sides. - Okay. So, you 48:00 do have one way to escape if you want to 48:02 run out. - Yeah, you can crash out the door 48:04 if you want to. [laughter] - But I don't think that 48:07 people have gone there for that. I mean, it could 48:08 be hilarious, 'cause this guy, when he was 48:10 telling me the story, he said, "I don't remember 48:12 if they told me they were going to shift 48:15 or not; but when it hit me," he said he 48:17 screamed. But he came back very, very healthy! 48:20 That's the one thing that was nice about it. 48:22 He came back with a different lifestyle. He 48:26 learned health, and he surely did get an 48:28 education...and anything else that you participate 48:31 in there when you're there. Don't you also- 48:33 what about the exercise center? Are you...? 48:36 - Well, I'm not a fitness trainer, but 48:38 we have a very good fitness center. That's 48:43 one of the outstanding things about it, and 48:45 people get personal fitness training. We 48:47 have very nice Nautilus equipment. - I remember 48:51 that! - Mhm, as well as free weights and 48:54 everything, so it's a real nice fitness center. 48:57 So, it's really quite the package. You get 48:59 the personal fitness training, and Kezzia 49:02 didn't mention her vegetarian cooking 49:04 classes, and the doctors' lectures and even tours 49:08 on the weekends of the beautiful Black Hills. - Wow. 49:13 And going on group walking. Do you- did 49:17 I just hear you say you teach them some of the 49:20 cooking? - Yes. We had about five cooking classes 49:23 during the 3-week time. - Wow. - And the guests 49:27 come in the kitchen with me, and we go over the 49:29 recipes that we use. And if they don't know 49:33 how to cook, I show them how to cook from 49:35 knowing how to chop vegetables to the 49:38 people that know more cooking to more advanced 49:42 things. It's really fun having them, and they 49:44 really enjoy it. - Wow. - And then we also talk 49:48 about things they can do when they go home. 49:50 - Okay. That's good. So, what they get 49:52 used to... - Right. - ...they are trained 49:54 on how they can continue this at home. That's very 49:56 interesting, because a lot of times, we go 49:58 home and we think, "Oh, they gave me 50:01 good food, but what do I do next?" - Right. 50:03 - Sylvia, I want to come back to you, 50:05 because I think there's another picture that we 50:08 didn't see yet. Wasn't there a bell? 50:10 - Oh-there are two pictures, yes. - Yeah, 50:12 I want to see that. - It's Kezzia' s kitchen. 50:14 - Okay. - The main lodge. So, that's her 50:18 kitchen. That's the conference room in 50:20 the front...and then the bell. And everyone- 50:22 the bell's out in the front yard. So, this 50:24 is the last picture we have. The dining room 50:26 has windows on three sides. This is one of 50:28 the views out of the dining room that she would be 50:30 looking out that way. We always take group 50:32 photos, and so this is where people often 50:34 congregate, and they will-around the bell- 50:36 we will take a group photo. - You also 50:38 mentioned that you have- you're working 50:40 on making the program... Because it's a self-supporting, 50:43 you want to try to make the program accessible 50:45 to people that are denominational workers 50:46 that could have access to that kind of program. 50:49 Talk about that. - What we're 50:50 really excited about this is that... So, we are 50:52 self-supporting and we understand the 50:54 challenges that there are in working for a 50:56 self-supporting, for working for the church 50:58 or working for a self- supporting support ministry 51:00 of the Adventist church. So, we guess we're talking 51:04 about Ryan Day of 3ABN being there as a guest, 51:07 but we want to make it available to denominational 51:09 employees and employees of church-supporting 51:12 institutions such as 3ABN. - Wonderful. 51:15 - So, I am working- several ideas, we've 51:19 got, but one of them is I'm working on some 51:20 donors who would underride a program for a month so 51:23 that we can invite all these people who will 51:26 be able to come in and it will not be an economic 51:28 hardship for them to do so. We also, sometimes, 51:31 have- we have scholarship funds, and so individuals 51:34 also want to come. Sometimes, we can get 51:37 individual sponsoring or use our scholarship fund. 51:39 So, one of our missions... I've not been president 51:43 for that long, but one of our goals and missions is 51:46 that we so believe in our ministry and what we do 51:48 that we want to open that up to other people 51:50 within the church as their ministry, and to 51:53 others, we want to be able to minister to 51:54 them to help them in their ministry. - Wow. 51:56 - So, be looking for great things coming. 51:58 We're pulling this all together to be able 52:00 to have special rates and even special programs 52:03 for denominational and other church-affiliated... 52:07 - Well, I appreciate that, because my wife 52:09 and I are thinking about taking advantage of that. 52:11 And I know if you're watching or listening 52:12 to the program, you want to find out how to get in touch 52:14 with Black Hills Health and Education Center. 52:16 Here is the information that you need. 52:21 - If you're interested in improving your 52:23 lifestyle and want to learn more about this 52:25 self-supporting ministry of Black Hills Health and 52:27 Education Center, you can contact them at: |
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