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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:10 Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today Program. 01:13 I'm Jason Bradley 01:15 and today we are going to talk about Lineage Journey. 01:19 What is lineage journey? 01:20 Well, stay tuned, you're gonna find out. 01:22 My guests today are... 01:24 We have Adam Ramdin, 01:25 he's with the North England Conference 01:27 and he's the Youth Director. 01:29 And then we have Clive Coutet, 01:31 who is the Media Director of Weimar Institute. 01:35 It's a pleasure to have you guys here. 01:36 Good to be here. Good, good. 01:38 I've seen Lineage Journey and the quality is so amazing. 01:45 I want to find out a little bit about your backgrounds 01:49 and, you know, what it took to get this project 01:54 to come together, 01:55 how long it took, 01:57 we're going to get into all that. 01:58 But before we jump in to the meat of the interview, 02:01 I want to go to a song by Matt Throgmorton 02:05 entitled "Consider the Lilies." 02:32 Consider the lilies 02:36 They don't toil nor spin 02:41 But there's not a king 02:44 With more splendor than them 02:50 Consider the sparrows 02:54 They don't plant nor sow 02:58 But they're fed by the master 03:03 Who watches them grow 03:10 We have a Heavenly Father 03:17 Above 03:19 With eyes full of mercy 03:24 And a heart full of love 03:29 He really cares 03:33 When your head is bowed low 03:38 Consider the lilies 03:42 And then you will know 03:54 May I introduce you to this friend of mine 04:02 Who hangs out the stars, 04:07 tells the sun when to shine 04:12 And kisses the flowers 04:17 each morning with dew 04:21 But He's not too busy 04:26 to care about you 04:33 We have a Heavenly Father 04:40 Above 04:42 With eyes full of mercy 04:47 And a heart full of love 04:52 He really cares 04:56 When your head is bowed low 05:01 Consider the lilies 05:05 And then you will know 05:19 Oh, yes, He cares 05:23 I know He cares 05:29 His heart is touched 05:33 with my grief 05:38 When the days are weary 05:44 The long nights dreary 05:51 Consider the lilies 05:56 and then you will know 06:05 He cares 06:17 Wow, what a beautiful song. 06:19 "Consider the Lilies." 06:21 Adam, I want to find out 06:23 a little bit about your background. 06:24 Were you raised Adventist? 06:27 So you were raised Adventist? 06:29 I was raised Adventist, 06:30 both my parents, brother and sister, 06:32 neither of them came from Adventist home. 06:33 So, I was born and raised in England, 06:35 grew up over there. 06:37 So raised in the church, 06:38 wasn't baptized till I was 19 though, 06:40 and then I went to do some studies 06:42 and got into ministry in my 20s. 06:45 Okay, and what about you, Clive? 06:48 Pretty similar experience with my parents anyway. 06:50 My mom wasn't raised Adventist, my dad was 06:54 and then I was raised Adventist, 06:55 but kind of as a young person growing up in church, 06:58 you kind of get lost 07:00 and kind of left it mentally anyway. 07:03 And it was really through some life changing experiences 07:05 in my late teens and early 20s 07:08 that really changed my life around 07:10 and I found Christ again. 07:12 Amen. 07:13 Adam, you're no stranger to 3ABN. 07:16 I've been here a couple of times, yeah. 07:17 Yeah. 07:19 What growth have you seen since you've been here? 07:23 Growth with the...? 07:25 With Lineage. Okay. 07:26 Yeah, we came about year and a half ago, 07:28 we were filming, 07:30 we were releasing what we call Season One. 07:32 And we're filming 07:33 in the process of filming Season Two. 07:35 So since then we've obviously finished Season One, 07:39 we took a six month break, 07:40 and then we started releasing Season Two. 07:41 We're actually almost completed releasing season two so, 07:44 in that time, since we last came, 07:46 it's grown a lot in terms of the countries 07:47 that it's been viewed in, 07:49 and obviously the number of people 07:51 who have been watching it and where it's been watched. 07:52 So it's been quite remarkable to see that growth. 07:55 It was never something we knew would, 07:57 or expect it will happen, 07:58 or thought would happen, we just thought, 08:00 "Yeah, few people here and there might watch it." 08:02 If you had to throw out a number 08:03 how many people would you say have been reached? 08:08 Just shy of 3 million. 08:10 Wow! 08:11 Well, that's taking into account Facebook views, 08:15 YouTube views, Video views, and the website and so on. 08:19 But the real number we don't really know. 08:20 Obviously, we don't know, I mean, 08:22 that's the digital number you get. 08:23 But a lot of the testimonies we get back in 08:26 is that people who are watching it 08:27 are watching it in schools, like classrooms, 08:30 or they're watching in Sabbath schools, 08:31 or they're watching it, a lot of churches show 08:33 at the end of Sabbath school or divine service. 08:36 So, you know, it may be one view, 08:38 but 200 people watch it, 08:40 so we don't really know exactly. 08:41 Nice. 08:43 So, you said, churches are showing it 08:44 in Sabbath schools 08:45 and all other southern schools are showing it. 08:47 What kind of... 08:48 How do they use that like, is it, 08:51 can they do seminars with it, I mean, how's that work? 08:55 Well, I know for example, my home church, 08:58 they kind of do it as a youth program 09:00 and they have the youth watch the episode 09:02 and then they have a discussion about it. 09:04 Where on other churches who kind of use it and play it 09:06 in between Sabbath school and divine service, 09:08 it's like a filler, 09:09 and especially the 500 year anniversary 09:12 of the Reformation in 2017, you know, 09:14 all the churches were talking about Reformation 09:16 and what was happening in the Reformation. 09:18 So it was really good for especially church members 09:21 to kind of learn history, learn the background 09:23 of, you know, the origins of roots of Protestantism. 09:27 So, yeah, it's being used in multiple ways, 09:32 whether young, old, 09:34 everyone's kind of taking the information 09:37 and learning just tons of information. 09:40 Praise the Lord. 09:41 Now, how did you come up with the name? 09:43 Good question. 09:45 So the idea was Clive's idea... Okay. 09:47 He originally approached me 09:48 on the steps of the British Museum and said, 09:50 "Hey, do you want to film some videos 09:52 on Reformation history here in England, 09:55 we've got the British Museum, 09:56 we've got John Wesley's home and so on." 09:58 And then we thought, 09:59 well, let's go to Oxford, and Cambridge, 10:00 and Lutterworth where John Wycliffe was from 10:02 and then we thought Scotland. 10:04 So we kind of built this idea, but we were still... 10:07 And then the idea was to have a series that would go weekly. 10:11 So one episode a week throughout the year. 10:13 So that was the idea, weekly episodes. 10:16 And then thinking of a name, we brainstormed a lot of ideas. 10:20 And it was actually... 10:23 So we're thinking of all these ideas, 10:24 and some of them now I look back, 10:25 I'm so glad we didn't pick them. 10:27 Lineage, it's kind of has a ring to it. 10:29 It's just one word and whatnot. 10:31 But the idea kind of behind the name 10:32 was that the episodes were chronological. 10:36 So we started with Constantine. 10:37 Then we went all the way up to say, the end of the 1700s. 10:40 And each episode was chronological. 10:42 So the idea behind lineage was we're tracing the story 10:47 of our heritage, of our history through time. 10:51 So then, lineage journey, 10:52 you know, the journey of our lineage 10:54 and how we can trace that through time. 10:57 Nice. 10:58 So, have you always been into history? 11:02 Personally, I have, yeah. 11:03 Yeah. What about you, Clive? 11:05 I wouldn't say I was, 11:06 especially in school, I definitely wasn't. 11:08 But as I became an Adventist 11:09 and really found the Lord again, 11:10 especially after reading the Great Controversy, 11:13 that's when my mind really just got unlocked. 11:15 And when I started to visualize, I'm a creative. 11:18 So I started to visualize a lot of the stuff, 11:20 you know, went on to YouTube, 11:21 try to find, you know, good representations, 11:23 good videos, I just couldn't find that stuff. 11:27 So I guess, to answer your question, 11:29 no, I haven't always been in history, 11:31 but as an Adventist, yes, I have been into history. 11:33 And why do you guys think it's so important 11:35 to be aware of your history? 11:39 I think, for me, 11:41 history and identity are so tied together. 11:43 And you know, a lot of people 11:44 they wanted to know where they come from, 11:46 as you know, ethnicity or they want to know 11:48 about family heritage is or, you know, 11:49 let me trace my family tree and all that kind of stuff. 11:51 So we have an interest on a personal level, 11:53 but I think spiritually, increasingly 11:55 as Christians or as Adventists. 11:58 The younger generation is not always aware like, 12:00 what happened 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 12:02 but it's interesting to know those, 12:04 I believe those stories 12:05 'cause it plays a part in shaping who we are today. 12:07 And so knowing your past helps you to understand 12:10 why you're here in the present, really. 12:12 And also helps you to understand the future. 12:14 Yes, yes. 12:16 'Cause they say history has a tendency 12:18 or a way of repeating itself... 12:19 Yeah, it does unfortunately, 12:20 and try and learn the lessons from the past and yeah... 12:23 Absolutely. Now, how many... 12:25 I know you said that you want to show 12:27 like an episode a week. 12:29 So how many episodes are in a season? 12:32 Initially, Season One was gonna be, you know, 12:35 the full 52 weeks but it didn't quite work out. 12:38 So it was only 48. 12:40 Okay, okay. 12:41 But 48 is enough. 12:43 This guy will tell you it was a lot. 12:45 Yeah, it was a lot of work. 12:46 But then Season Two, 12:48 we kind of made up for that and we did 52 12:51 so in total for season one and two, 12:52 we have 100 episodes. 12:54 Plus loads of, you know, behind the scenes videos. 12:57 We also have Season One, 13:01 a lot of the videos have 360 video as well. 13:04 So young people can kind of explore the locations 13:07 to where these things took place in 360 degree video. 13:10 And, so yeah, 13:12 we have quite a lot of episodes. 13:13 And I would say 13:14 there's probably about 60, 360 videos, 13:18 and maybe about 10 behind the scenes videos. 13:20 So we're looking at about 170, something like that. 13:22 Yeah. Wow. 13:24 And what's your creative process? 13:25 When you're thinking about, 13:26 you know, creating these episodes, 13:29 what's your process? 13:31 What are you thinking about while you're developing this? 13:34 I mean, for me, 13:35 I'm really thinking about how is this history, 13:38 which often enough 13:39 to the average person may be boring? 13:41 How can we make that boring history 13:43 relevant to someone in their life, you know, 13:46 but then also the message has to be relevant, 13:48 which is why there's an evangelistic appeal 13:50 at the end of every single episode, 13:52 but also visually how is it gonna be appealing. 13:54 You know, often enough stuff can be very low quality 13:57 or, you know, it may not be to a very high standard 14:00 but, you know, 14:01 young people want to see good quality stuff. 14:04 And, you know, 14:05 one of the things that we were thinking about 14:06 is on social media for example, on YouTube or an Instagram, 14:10 you have probably up to three seconds 14:12 to reach someone before they just scroll past. 14:14 Yes. 14:15 So that's why, you know, at the beginning 14:17 of every single Lineage episode, 14:18 there's really fast paced imagery 14:22 within the first three seconds 14:23 it's this, you know, really fast paced clips 14:25 to kind of grab someone's attention 14:27 so that it will draw them into want to watch the rest 14:29 of the three to five minute video. 14:31 Um, so yeah, really important 14:33 in terms of the creative processes 14:35 is the message obviously, also, how is that gonna, 14:37 how is that message going to be portrayed visually. 14:42 So there's a science behind it? Yes, definitely. 14:44 We've also tried to make 14:45 as much of the filming on location. 14:49 So rather than, you know, 14:51 a green screen or something and there's no problem, 14:53 you know, some people have to use it, 14:54 but we've tried as much as possible that way. 14:56 If I'm talking about John Wycliffe, 14:58 I'm standing by his church or we're talking 15:00 and I think that gives it an added, I don't know, 15:03 realness or what it would be like, 15:05 we're talking about Jan Hus. 15:07 I'm standing where he died, 15:08 or we're talking about William Miller, 15:10 and we're in his house. 15:11 So it gives that connection. 15:13 It's not just... 15:14 So it shows that, you know, we went to the places 15:17 and the filming was on location. 15:20 I think with like 15:21 this millennial generation that we have, 15:24 it's not enough just to read it in books. 15:26 Sometimes, and some people don't even read books, 15:28 you know, but it's not enough. 15:29 People want to kind of see what you're talking about. 15:32 So that's why, you know, being on location helps people 15:35 to explore those places. 15:36 This is where, you know, Martin Luther stood up. 15:39 This is where, you know, John Wycliffe, you know, 15:43 what this process is, this is the physical location 15:45 where these things took place. 15:46 It really brings it to life. 15:48 Exactly. 15:49 So okay, so when you're recording these episodes, 15:52 and, you know, from start to finish, 15:54 give us an idea of, let's say your... 15:59 not the creative process, we talked about that. 16:02 But from start to finish, how long does it take? 16:05 To film or to edit it? 16:06 To film from start to finish, 16:08 filming, editing, planning, the whole nine. 16:13 I mean, the filming, 16:15 if all the filming stays in one area 16:17 where we can walk to all different, 16:18 we do all the different shots 16:20 roughly four, four hours roughly. 16:24 By that time you do the drone shots, 16:26 the B-roll, the dialogue and memorizing it and whatnot. 16:30 So probably about four hours. 16:32 Four hours of recording, really? 16:33 Maybe three, maybe three. 16:35 It also depends on, you know, a lot of the time, 16:38 the physical locations are in different places. 16:41 So sometimes we have to travel in between that. 16:43 But if we were to just do it from start to finish, 16:45 probably filming wise, four hours, 16:47 typically, in terms of trying to save money, 16:51 we've had to do things really quickly. 16:53 So we're kind of in and we're out 16:54 and on to the next location. 16:56 He's always like "Oh, I got 6% of battery life. 16:57 You got to get it right in one shot." 16:59 You gotta do in one take, you know. 17:02 Yeah, no pressure, no pressure. 17:05 But in terms of the editing process 17:08 Season One typically per episode 17:10 took two to three days. 17:12 Season Two has taken so about one to two days. 17:16 That's because, you know, we've been able 17:17 to refine the process and review. 17:19 After Season One I was able to review things 17:20 and see how was a better way of doing it, 17:23 you're able to cut down the time a little bit, 17:25 but it's still very time consuming. 17:27 So you're talking about, you know, 17:28 at least three or four days per episode 17:30 and that's not including the script writing 17:32 and the logistics and the planning 17:33 and all that kind of stuff. 17:34 Three to four days per episode. 17:36 Okay, so it's not two to three days 17:37 for all 50 something... 17:39 No, no, no. 17:41 Okay, I was about to say that is incredibly fast. 17:45 Now, if we knew all the work before we start the project 17:49 and some of it so like you film a lot on location, right. 17:54 So you have to climb mountains and stuff 17:56 where like to get some of these shots. 17:58 Yeah, I mean, 17:59 some of the first season was a lot in Europe. 18:00 So a lot of it was in the capitals, 18:02 the cathedrals and places like that. 18:05 And there were some places we climbed the mountain, 18:06 the Waldensian episode we climbed the mountain 18:09 to film at sunrise. 18:10 And so we had to leave at like, 4 o'clock in the morning 18:13 or 5 to climb up and we got there. 18:16 At least Clive got there on the sunrise, 18:18 I was a little bit behind him. 18:21 Season Two was Adventist history. 18:23 And that was a completely different... 18:26 For the most part completely different 18:27 because instead of going to like big austere cathedrals 18:30 and, you know, 18:32 seeing reformation statues and monuments, 18:34 we were traveling like New England and New York, 18:37 just tiny little farms and little villages. 18:40 And it was an interesting contrast 18:42 to see the contrast between say the Reformation origins 18:44 and then seeing the origins of Adventism, 18:47 which was very humble 18:48 and very, to the average view insignificant. 18:52 But yet to see 18:54 where our history has come from, 18:55 from really humble beginnings to where we are today 18:58 is pretty, pretty amazing. 19:00 And I think Season One was also challenging at times 19:03 because we were filming and editing at the same time, 19:06 you know, so, like Adam just mentioned 19:08 that one morning where we climbed up Monte Castello 19:11 so to go film an episode on the Waldensian Valley, 19:14 and the night before, 19:15 we had an episode coming out that very morning, 19:18 and I was editing until 3 am 19:20 to then wake up at 5 to climb a mountain, you know, 19:23 and but the process was... 19:26 Because we were very new to this, 19:27 it kind of grew organically and so fast, you know, 19:31 there wasn't much time to kind of refine things, 19:33 but we managed to do that for Season Two. 19:36 But I mean, even just making stuff 19:38 visually interesting for Season Two. 19:39 Season One like Adam said, 19:40 monuments and that kind of stuff 19:42 but we have an episode of Season One 19:44 on the potato patch preachers, 19:45 you know, how do you make 19:47 a potato farm field look interesting. 19:49 These are some of the challenges 19:50 that we had to get through and... 19:52 Man, how did you make? 19:53 How did you do that? 19:55 Watch the episode and you'll find out. 19:59 And we actually have some video that we are going to show. 20:04 And tell us a little bit about the first one 20:05 that we're going to take a look at. 20:07 Probably the easiest one to make visually interesting 20:08 was the one on Adventist education. 20:12 So we were talking about the history of Adventism, 20:14 but then key to Adventist, you know, our church, 20:17 the Adventist Church is focused on education. 20:20 So we did an episode 20:21 on how the Adventist education started, 20:24 where the vision came from, 20:25 the focus on education, a holistic education 20:27 that it wasn't just kind of academic achievement, 20:30 but it was the education of the whole person. 20:32 And it was mission minded, and it was Bible based, etc. 20:36 And when we released that episode 20:39 we actually put out on social media, 20:40 on Facebook and Instagram. 20:41 If you've got video clips of your Adventist schools, 20:43 please send them into us. 20:45 And we had an amazing support around the world 20:47 of people sending us clips from Korea 20:49 and different parts of Africa, South America, and Europe. 20:52 And so that episode, 20:53 we were able to get video clips kind of worldwide, 20:57 threw in worldwide Adventism education today 21:00 and people really connected with that 21:02 when they saw their school or their alma mater, you know, 21:04 on that and so that was a real blessing 21:07 that episode so... 21:09 Wow. 21:10 Well, we might as well show it right now. 21:11 Let's check out 21:13 the birth of Adventist education. 21:32 The Adventist Church was in its infancy 21:35 with a membership that was only in the tens of thousands 21:38 and yet it had already made ventures 21:41 into the publishing work and the health work. 21:44 Despite a small membership, it would soon move 21:47 into the educational field as well 21:49 with a vision far greater 21:52 than the reality of church life at the time. 21:55 A school had started in 1868 by Goodloe Harper Bell, 22:00 that was supported locally here in Battle Creek. 22:03 But in 1872, James and Ellen White 22:06 would call for the upgrading of this school 22:09 into an advanced educational institution 22:12 and also for the denomination to support the school. 22:22 As guidance for the school, 22:23 Ellen White wrote testimony for the church number 22, 22:27 where she developed the fundamental principle 22:30 of the correlation between the physical, mental, 22:33 moral and religious aspects of education. 22:36 The Bible was not to be just an elective option to study, 22:40 but was to be infused 22:41 throughout the whole curriculum, 22:43 eliminating the classics as the main thrust. 22:47 Initially the teachers and administrators 22:49 struggled to implement 22:51 what they probably didn't fully understand themselves. 22:54 As well as making the curriculum Bible based, 22:57 there was also the admonition 22:59 to include a manual labor program. 23:07 Education was to move away 23:10 from the Latin and Greek classics 23:12 and be holistic, 23:13 focusing on character development 23:15 and daily reminding the students 23:17 of their obligation to God, to live for Him 23:20 and be a missionary wherever they were. 23:23 The focus on manual labor and missionary work 23:26 is reflected in the early names of these schools. 23:30 The College of Medical Evangelist, 23:32 Emmanuel Missionary College, Southern Missionary College, 23:36 Australasian Missionary College and Oakwood Industrial School, 23:41 the purpose was the mission. 23:43 The name of the school 23:44 reflected the purpose of the church 23:47 to train missionaries at home and abroad. 23:55 The vision to start 23:56 a comprehensive educational system 23:59 would mushroom and grow. 24:01 Education is such a key evangelistic strategy. 24:04 The places today where the church is stronger, 24:07 have a strong Adventist educational system 24:10 that is valued and supported by the members. 24:14 Education that recognizes 24:15 it's not just for academic advancement, 24:19 but that is also evangelistic and redemptive, 24:22 echoing the words of Ellen White 24:24 that education and redemption are one. 24:31 The work of education now encompasses the globe 24:35 with the largest Protestant school system, 24:37 but our strength lies not in our size, 24:40 but in our faithfulness to the original purpose 24:43 of setting up the educational school system. 24:46 Practical education with a clear mission focus 24:50 was the primary motivating factor 24:52 rather than just academic excellence. 25:00 Many today do not have the opportunity 25:02 of an Adventist education. 25:04 If that is you, 25:06 then may you be a witness in your school or university, 25:09 like the Waldensians in years gone by. 25:11 Proverb says, 25:13 "Train up a child in the way he shall go. 25:15 And when he is old, he will not depart from it." 25:19 Whether it's at Sabbath school, home school, 25:22 or Adventist school, 25:23 we see that education is vitally important 25:26 in solidifying what we believe, 25:29 as well as giving us the skills that we need in life. 25:32 If you live near a school, then support it, 25:35 support the youth who are attending, 25:37 whether it's financially, through your prayers, 25:39 by volunteering, by working, 25:41 or in whatever way that you can. 26:03 Wow, that made history come alive. 26:06 What countries have you been to, to record? 26:09 About, I was counting, I think it's about 11, 12. 26:14 So, France, Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Germany, 26:20 Denmark, Sweden, England, Scotland, 26:25 Wales, then Australia, New Zealand, 26:29 the United States of America. 26:32 I think that's it. That's it. Yeah. 26:34 So far. 26:35 Wow. 26:36 So far. 26:38 I mean, that's quite a bit right there. 26:39 Has anything out of the ordinary 26:40 happened in any of these countries? 26:42 Ah... 26:44 I mean, we've had numerous testimonies 26:47 that have come through. 26:49 I say, one of the testimonies that we heard recently 26:53 is actually from what, from wherever from England 26:56 was a young guy who, 26:58 maybe he is about nine I think or ten, 27:00 and he was in school. 27:01 And he actually went to a Catholic school. 27:04 And he actually knew Adam 27:07 'cause Adam preaches a lot in England, 27:09 and his teacher's actually an atheist. 27:13 And they were doing some history lessons 27:15 on some of the work that took place in England. 27:18 And they ended up playing one of the Lineage episodes 27:20 in a Catholic school by an atheist teacher. 27:24 And he shared a little testimony, 27:26 he ended up telling his teacher that you know, he knew Adam, 27:28 and there was anything else? 27:30 The teacher was looking for... 27:32 Was online searching for videos that would illustrate his point 27:35 of noble characters from history. 27:37 And he bumped across a Lineage episode and showed in class 27:41 and you know the student there in England was, 27:43 you know, really excited to tell his teacher that hey, 27:45 you know, that's some. 27:47 Well, I know the person and but also, 27:48 that's something so that was interesting to see 27:50 that it's not just being used maybe within the circle 27:53 that we would assume but, 27:54 you know, in a public school as well. 27:57 So that was pretty... 27:59 But it sounds like experiences, 28:00 you know, we shot the episode in New Zealand last year. 28:04 And there's a guy 28:07 that's mentioned called Eric Hare. 28:09 And he's a prominent figure in the history 28:10 of what took place in New Zealand. 28:12 And we ended up driving to this town called Kaeo. 28:16 And in the town, there's like a little museum. 28:19 We went to the museum 28:20 and we were talking to this lady 28:22 and we're asking about the information about Eric Hare 28:25 if there was any pictures or anything like that, 28:26 and she was kind of intrigued like, 28:28 why are we interested in this person? 28:29 We come all the way from England. 28:31 This town is like, 28:32 it's smaller than Thompsonville. 28:34 Yeah. It's like... 28:35 It's really small. Tiny, tiny, tiny. 28:37 Yeah. 28:38 Probably like 200, 300 meters long, 28:40 just a few houses. 28:41 And yet it's interesting 'cause the Adventist Church 28:43 the Jehovah's Witness 28:45 and the Catholic Church in New Zealand 28:46 all started in this little town. 28:48 So they... 28:49 The locals kind of know their history, 28:51 they know their heritage that this is there. 28:52 So when we came up they're asking about 28:55 the Adventist history like Joseph Hare or Eric B. Hare. 28:59 Her ears perked up and... 29:00 And, you know, we discovered that 29:02 she was actually a descendant of him. 29:04 Really? 29:05 So she was a family, long relative, 29:08 I can't remember if it was great, great granddaughter, 29:10 or, you know, second cousin or something like that. 29:12 But she was a relative of this man. 29:15 So she was super intrigued about what we're doing. 29:17 She's very helpful. Very helpful. 29:19 Sent us all this information, went back to England. 29:22 And you know, she sent us more photos, 29:25 and every now and then I've emailed her saying, 29:27 you know, do you have this or do you have that 29:28 and she's taking pictures and photocopied 29:30 and she's not an Adventist herself. 29:32 You know, it was just a blessing to see 29:35 how we're on the other side of the world. 29:38 And we managed to meet a descendant of, 29:40 you know, Joseph Hare, 29:43 who was prominent in starting up the work 29:45 within New Zealand. 29:46 And she was just so helpful and really grateful 29:50 that we were doing a video on her family history really. 29:54 Joseph was the first Adventist in New Zealand. 29:55 Okay. 29:57 Then his son was Robert Hare who became a famous evangelist. 30:00 He studied at Pacific Union College, 30:02 went back there. 30:03 He had a son called Eric B. Hare, 30:06 who is famous in Adventism for being a story writer, 30:09 famous missionary, he was in Burma. 30:11 And so a lot of people know Eric B. Hare. 30:13 And then so when we... 30:15 I think this lady would probably be like 30:17 a second or third cousin down from him. 30:20 Her great grandfather, 30:22 who would have been Robert Hare's 30:23 brother ended up going back to the Methodist Church 30:26 and didn't stay an Adventist but, 30:28 but, uh, yeah, 30:29 it was very, very unique, and very interesting too. 30:32 Yeah, that sounds like... 30:34 To have a connection that far on the other side of the world 30:36 and have someone so helpful. 30:38 But even that, you know, we've had great experiences, 30:41 always people in different countries 30:42 have been really willing to help us and, 30:44 you know, we went to France and filmed some episodes there 30:47 and we had the youth director in France, 30:50 who was really interested in what we're doing 30:51 and helping us go places 30:53 and it's just been everywhere we've been, 30:55 doors have just opened and God has really let us. 30:57 Praise the Lord. 30:58 What about Muslim countries? 31:00 That's a good question. 31:03 Recently, we've been having a lot of views, 31:07 at least on Facebook, in Muslim countries. 31:10 So Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, 31:14 and just doesn't really come off the top of my head. 31:16 And so I don't know, I don't know how or why. 31:20 But there's something happening over there. 31:22 And so it's interesting to look at the views of, 31:25 you know, America, yeah, 31:26 Philippines, England, Australia, 31:28 but then to see these countries pop up as well. 31:30 It shows that there's a great hunger 31:32 in all parts of the world for... 31:34 And interestingly enough, there's has been a guy 31:36 who runs a ministry over in one of those countries, 31:38 I'm not sure where, but he takes Adventist content, 31:42 and he translates it, 31:43 and then he posts on his channel 31:45 in Arabic language 31:46 and he's been taking our videos and reposting them. 31:48 And so I'm guessing 31:50 that may have been one of the avenues in, 31:51 but it's just showing that, you know, these episodes 31:54 they're kind of being picked up by different races 31:59 different religions all around the world. 32:01 And they're kind of taking it and translating it 32:04 and getting it into places that we can't even imagine. 32:06 I've heard of these videos, 32:09 you know, YouTube is banned 32:11 in places like China, for example. 32:12 But I've heard of people who have downloaded them, 32:15 sent them on WhatsApp, or send them through mobile, 32:18 you know, mobile media platforms. 32:20 And, you know, sharing these and it's funny, 32:22 it's funny when someone sends me a video 32:25 of what I've done, 32:27 but they didn't know that I did it, you know. 32:29 It's funny how it just goes full circle, 32:31 but it shows that, 32:32 you know, the Lord is opening up opportunities 32:34 for digital media to get out into the masses. 32:37 Yeah, it's digital evangelism. 32:38 Exactly. Absolutely. 32:40 So what are some of the res... 32:41 But well, first, before we go into some of the responses, 32:44 how many translations are there? 32:47 Up to 18. 32:49 And that's subtitles. 32:51 Up to 18 and I say up to because not every language 32:53 has done every episode, but up to 18. 32:57 You can find some of it, 32:58 some of the episodes will be up to 18, 33:00 some of them would be less, depends. 33:01 We don't translate ourselves. 33:03 So we're kind of, I guess just a crowd source 33:06 where people submit their translations 33:08 and that's kind of how we go with it. 33:10 Now in terms of dubbing, up to... 33:13 Is it three or four? 33:14 Three, I think up to three. 33:15 Okay. 33:17 One language, Polish did the whole of Season One. 33:18 Fully dubbed in Polish, Italian most of it 33:20 and Slovenian are one of those languages as well. 33:24 And so there's quite a bit on that, 33:25 that takes a little bit more time and effort 33:26 for people to do 33:28 but there's a fair amount out there. 33:29 We have them all on our channel, 33:31 but they have them on their as well. 33:32 That's amazing. 33:33 And people are voluntarily doing this. 33:35 Yeah. 33:36 As far as there's people content, 33:38 "Hey, can we translate?" 33:39 Well, sure, you know, 33:40 just make sure you give it to us 33:42 after you're done, you know. 33:43 Yeah, now that's amazing. 33:44 What are some of the responses that you've received, 33:46 once people watch Lineage? 33:47 Um, one of the interesting ones we had was, like I said, 33:51 it's used in schools and some people use it, 33:52 there was a young school girl in Georgia, who... 33:57 We saw a little video on Facebook 33:58 and then we contacted her and she made a video 34:00 and kind of gave it to us after that, 34:02 but she used, she was... 34:06 I forget her age so it's around 10, 34:08 she's about 10. 34:09 I forget exactly how old she is. 34:12 Maybe a few years older, I'm not sure. 34:15 But she was doing a worship for our class 34:16 and she had to do a worship 34:18 and she was doing on Martin William Miller, 34:20 and then she has watched Lineage Journey at home 34:23 with her family, they watch it regularly. 34:25 And so she used the video 34:26 as part of her doing her worship 34:28 for the school. 34:29 So that was really encouraging to see 34:31 that someone of a young age was taking this resource, 34:34 was speaking publicly, was using it as part of her, 34:37 you know, her resources that she was using to share 34:39 and that was really interesting too, 34:41 and encouraging to see someone sharing. 34:43 Another story that just came to mind was, 34:46 last year I went camping. 34:47 I'm in Wales, and I met a guy and I'm speaking to him, 34:53 and he was asking me what I do 34:54 and I was explaining about Lineage, 34:55 he was like, "Oh, you know, I've watched Lineage, 34:57 I've watched it a few times." 34:59 And he went on to say that he's studying history, 35:02 I think it was religious history. 35:03 And he said, for his exam, 35:06 he would watch the Lineage episodes, 35:09 study the content out. 35:10 And when he actually took his exam he would get... 35:14 The question would be asked, 35:16 and that the episode would come to his memory 35:18 and the point of what Adam was saying 35:19 would come to his memory and he passed his test. 35:21 So he basically used it as a way to study for an exam. 35:24 Wow, I needed you guys when I was studying in school. 35:28 So we got to make sure it's historically accurate. 35:31 That's right. 35:33 You know, these are just some of the ways, 35:34 I mean, there's plenty more that we could come to 35:36 but I think we'd be here for a while. 35:38 We got a few teachers contact us and, 35:40 you know, just share how to use it. 35:41 We've had academy deans, another dean, 35:44 I believe Georgia-Cumberland Academy. 35:46 She's the dean of ladies. 35:47 She uses it in the dorm worship so... 35:50 Actually another one that just come to mind, 35:51 which should be really good to share is 35:53 there was a teacher who was teaching 35:55 at kindergarten I think it was 35:57 and they were watching some of these Lineage episodes. 36:00 And she sent us a video of her class, 36:03 who had taken the episode that we did on Jerome and Huss 36:07 and they watched the episode. 36:08 And then they actually recreated 36:11 the episode using Lego. 36:12 So they've done John Huss, 36:14 you know, burning at the stake and they've done him in prison. 36:17 And, you know, all of these different points 36:19 that were covered in the episode. 36:20 The kids have actually made these, 36:23 I guess monuments or structures using Lego. 36:25 She sent us a video of all of it 36:27 and it's pretty amazing to see 36:28 that young kids are taking this and being able to understand it 36:31 and then, you know, obviously, 36:32 create wonderful masterpieces out of Lego. 36:34 Yeah, that is amazing. 36:36 And I mean, they're really taking in the history because, 36:38 you know, at that young age, 36:39 like their minds are like sponges, 36:42 they're so impressionable, and they just absorb everything 36:44 that they're learning, so that's awesome. 36:46 We didn't create the videos per se for younger children. 36:48 That wasn't our target audience. 36:50 But as we travel around, 36:51 we find a lot of the younger kids 36:53 especially really, really connect and enjoy it. 36:57 I guess the short time is, you know, appeals as well. 37:00 It's not like, you know, 37:01 sit down and watch a 60 minute video 37:03 or 20, it's just shortened. 37:05 Yeah, yeah, I'd like to transition a little bit 37:08 into New Zealand. 37:09 Let's talk about New Zealand. 37:11 Oh, well, we kind of mentioned earlier 37:12 that they did filming the episode down there. 37:14 It's fascinating to see 37:16 how the church started in New Zealand. 37:18 And as I said, as we were filming down there, 37:20 we met a lady who was integral to the Adventist history there 37:24 and I think it's fascinating to see 37:26 how the church started, yeah. 37:28 We actually have a clip from that episode. 37:31 Let's take a look at that. 37:52 Funds had been raised by Sabbath School members 37:55 in California 37:56 to send the missionary team down to Australia. 37:58 The intention was to open the work in Australia, 38:01 but God had additional plans in store. 38:04 Headed by S.N. Haskell, 38:06 the team stopped here in New Zealand 38:09 for four to five days on route in 1885. 38:13 Impressed by the friendliness of the people 38:15 and noting the libraries in town, 38:18 Haskell commented 38:19 that the people must be interested in learning 38:22 and would therefore 38:23 make good prospects for learning Bible truths. 38:31 After settling in Melbourne, he decided to return to America 38:35 and stopped off in New Zealand on the way. 38:37 He had heard of a group of Sunday keeping Adventists 38:40 and found accommodation with Edward and Lizzie Hare. 38:44 They introduced him to others in the area, 38:46 and he held some meetings over the course of a few weeks, 38:50 breaking the evangelistic rule 38:52 he presented the Sabbath on the first night 38:54 and the second coming on the second night. 38:57 They were convinced and encouraged him 38:59 to visit the rest of the Hare family 39:01 who live north in Kaeo. 39:08 Deciding not to return to the US, 39:11 he stayed with the Hare family in Kaeo, 39:13 about 250 kilometers north of Auckland. 39:17 This area is rich in religious history, 39:20 with the Methodist, Anglican, 39:21 Catholic and Seventh-day Adventist churches 39:24 having roots in the area. 39:26 Here he met the patriarch of the family, Joseph Hare, 39:29 an Irish Orangemen who along with his family 39:33 lived in a house on the mound behind me. 39:35 He also met his son Robert, 39:37 and both of them were preachers. 39:39 Haskell was invited to speak 39:41 and spoke for three consecutive Sundays, 39:44 along with evening meetings and also holding Bible studies 39:48 during the day in the home. 39:54 The Hare family decided to keep the Sabbath, 39:57 and this campus behind me would end up being 39:59 one of the first church buildings 40:01 that they met in. 40:03 Robert the son had a difficult decision to make. 40:05 He was engaged to be married. 40:07 The house had been built, the furniture had been ordered, 40:10 but his bride to be objected to his new beliefs. 40:14 It was marriage or the Sabbath. 40:17 She wouldn't convert and he wouldn't compromise. 40:20 The marriage was off, and he left for America 40:23 to study for the ministry at Healdsburg College. 40:32 Haskell returned in 1886 40:35 and ran a two week evangelistic series, 40:37 and before he left, 40:38 he organized the Kaeo Seventh-day Adventist Church, 40:41 the first in New Zealand on the 23rd of March 1886. 40:47 Haskell sent a good report to the General Conference 40:50 and requested an evangelist to be sent. 40:53 The choice was 28 year old AG Daniels, 40:56 who would later go on 40:57 to be the longest serving General Conference President. 41:01 AG Daniels brought with him a 15 square meter marquis 41:05 that was pitched here in this park, 41:08 along with a pedal organ and together with his wife 41:11 lived in a tent on site. 41:21 AG Daniels would lead 41:22 the first evangelistic tent series 41:25 in Auckland and drew large crowds. 41:27 And at the end of 17 weeks of meetings, 41:30 a Sabbath School with 78 members was started. 41:34 Later on, a small wooden church was built on Mackelvie Street 41:38 with 67 charter members 41:40 and the first service took place 41:43 on the 15th of October 1887. 41:46 This was the first church built in the southern hemisphere, 41:50 and still stands today as part of the Ponsonby 41:53 Seventh-day Adventist Church. 42:01 Robert Hare would soon return from the USA 42:04 with his American bride, Henrietta Johnson 42:07 and thrust himself into the work here. 42:10 A few years later, a conference would be formed, 42:12 and the work would progress to the South Island 42:15 with S.N. Haskell, amongst others, 42:17 starting the church there as well. 42:20 A few years later, 42:21 the conference was split into two in 1915. 42:24 A college was also started at Long Burn 42:27 on the south part of the North Island. 42:30 When Ellen White was in the South Pacific, 42:32 she spent some time here helping to establish the church 42:36 and spoke at the first New Zealand camp meeting 42:39 and also began writing on the life of Christ 42:42 while she was down here. 42:50 And so the stop on the journey to Australia 42:53 turned into a lot more than just a few days' rest. 42:56 God had bigger plans than just rest and relaxation. 43:00 S.N. Haskell's return journey to America 43:03 never materialized then, 43:05 and instead the church was birthed here 43:07 in this beautiful country. 43:09 Sometimes we have big plans that we want God to accomplish. 43:12 And whilst that's good to have, we must always be open to God 43:16 turning things around and remember as Isaiah says 43:20 that "His ways are higher than our ways." 43:38 Tell you what, you guys have been teaching me 43:39 all kinds of new things today. 43:42 Now, as I look at that production, 43:44 and I'm looking at the quality of it, 43:47 it seems like we've got you two sitting here 43:50 but how many people are on your team 43:52 'cause it seems like 43:53 there would be a lot of people involved with this. 43:55 It's more than just us, Clive's the main camera guy, 43:57 but we also have another two 44:00 that would work with the cameras 44:02 and the filming. 44:03 We have a photographer, we have a... 44:06 Someone who writes all the content 44:08 for our website, and our blogs, and our articles. 44:10 And also does fact checking on the scripts 44:12 that are written. 44:13 We then have my wife, his wife, 44:16 they kind of assist in the producing. 44:18 For Season Two, my wife did the sound, 44:20 audio sound for that, 44:22 she kind of learned that and did that. 44:24 A website, someone who does the website, 44:26 so there's a team of around about 10 of us. 44:30 That if we're all there, that would be 10. 44:32 But, you know, sometime, it would just be me and him. 44:34 But ideally, there's like six or seven of us 44:36 were filming on location. 44:38 So it varies where we go, about 10. 44:40 So different people have different skills and talents. 44:42 Some of them are just for the visual, 44:43 and then others are for the back end 44:45 or for the, you know, supporting resources 44:48 that we make as well. 44:50 And what resources do you have? 44:52 At the minute we've got the website, 44:53 which is very involved, 44:55 there's a lot of articles there, 44:57 but we're in the process and almost ready to produce 44:59 a series of study guides 45:01 that will go alongside all of the episodes 45:03 of Season One and Season Two. 45:05 So the idea would be that someone could watch the video 45:08 and have a small group Bible study 45:09 or a Sabbath school class 45:11 or a youth group or something like that. 45:12 And then watch the video 45:13 and then you've got a study guide 45:15 to enable you to have discussion, 45:16 that's clearly taking you to a point. 45:18 So you're not just enabled you think, guys, 45:20 but these are different questions 45:21 we've put together, there's some Bible texts, 45:23 there's some biblical illustrations 45:24 that match with it we think, 45:26 and would help the Bible study, or the small group leader, 45:28 or the pastor, or the Sabbath school leader 45:30 to be able to have a constructive discussion. 45:33 That is nice. 45:35 So we're about to release that for Season One and Two. 45:38 Okay. 45:39 And you guys also have t-shirts and all that stuff too, right? 45:42 Yeah, 'cause the guy who's our photographer 45:45 works as an illustrator. 45:46 Works for Apple like he's an illustrator. 45:48 So he's got some really kind of unique designs for t-shirts, 45:51 Martin Lutheran and John Knox, 45:55 William Tyndale, and John Wesley. 45:57 We got t-shirts that people can buy if they want to, 45:59 you know, support Lineage or wear it that way. 46:03 Yeah. 46:04 So what can we expect in Season Two? 46:07 Well, Season Two is out, and that's Adventist history. 46:09 But the dream or the plan is to have Season Three. 46:12 And so really what we've covered so far, 46:14 you could summarize and say 46:16 it's a history of the book Great Controversy, 46:21 because we start with Constantine 46:22 and then we go all the way up through Adventist history. 46:25 So it's really covering the time period 46:27 that the book Great Controversy covers. 46:28 Our idea now was to go back in time, 46:31 and to go back to Genesis or Patriarchs and Prophets, 46:34 and have smaller series. 46:35 We're looking at maybe 10 to 15 episodes 46:37 on the book Patriarchs and Prophets. 46:39 So covering that time period, then Prophets and Kings, 46:43 then probably a few more episodes on, 46:46 on Desire of Ages just because we have more locations 46:48 that we could film it. 46:49 And then Acts of the Apostles is the journeys of Paul. 46:52 So the idea is to... 46:53 Season Three would probably be breaking down 46:55 into four segments. 46:57 And then together with what we've got, 46:58 it would provide people 47:00 with a big narrative of the Great Controversy theme 47:04 through scripture and through history. 47:06 So that's the plan to kind of go back 47:08 to complete the package. 47:10 So that's gonna involve filming in some new countries 47:14 that would be Israel and Jordan, 47:15 Egypt and some countries in the Middle East 47:18 and the Mediterranean area in order to complete that, 47:21 to make it. 47:23 And how long is each episode? 47:25 Episodes, we typically aim to hit about five minutes. 47:28 Oh, wow. 47:30 Five, like five minute episode, how long, I mean like, 47:34 so when you're airing them, 47:37 let's say you put them on YouTube. 47:39 Is it the same? 47:40 How, like how long? 47:41 Yeah, they're five minutes there, like for example, 47:43 on 3ABN we have them on there, 47:44 but we've put like five episodes together 47:47 to make it into a, you know, a half an hour production. 47:50 But each episode individually is about five minutes 47:52 or so long. 47:54 So it's bite size pieces, 47:56 bite size content, very digestible. 48:00 I guess the catchphrase will be a short and shareable. 48:02 Yes. Yes, for digital evangelism. 48:04 What are some of your needs? 48:07 Well, we're hoping, I mean, in order to film Season Three, 48:10 we have to, 48:12 I guess, raise the funds to film Season Three, 48:14 we, you know, it's a dream, it's a vision at the minute, 48:17 but we need to kind of raise the funds 48:18 to go and film that 48:20 and create these resources to be, 48:22 you know, be used by the people out there. 48:24 So we have to raise the logistical costs for that. 48:27 At the minute everyone on the team is voluntary. 48:29 And we both have other jobs. 48:30 So this is kind of something we're doing, 48:32 I guess, you say on the side 48:33 and all the other team members there, 48:34 they're volunteering their time, 48:36 they have full time jobs and they volunteer their time. 48:37 So at the minute is voluntary, 48:38 so we need to kind of raise the funds 48:40 to kind of just the logistical expenses 48:42 of filming 48:43 and getting around again and doing stuff and, yeah. 48:46 And so let's recap 48:49 what's all involved with the project. 48:52 So people, I mean, 48:53 you know, oftentimes you see a finished project 48:56 but you don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. 48:59 So let's go over that. 49:02 I mean, in terms of the videos, it's, 49:04 you know, the writing of the scripts, 49:06 it's researching the locations, 49:08 it's traveling to locations and filming, 49:10 and all of that that involves photography, 49:13 video, drones, etc. 49:14 And then it's on the back end 49:16 when Clive has to do the editing 49:18 and putting the post production together. 49:20 And it's the producing of the study guide 49:22 that goes along with it. 49:24 So it becomes quite a... 49:25 And there's dream to do a few other things as well, 49:27 like audio series, 49:29 longer documentaries on each reformer. 49:32 There's other things in the pipeline 49:33 that we're kind of thinking about, 49:35 but obviously all these things take resources. 49:37 And so we're kind of just dreaming. 49:40 But, you know, we dreamed for Season One, 49:41 and we dreamed for Season Two. 49:43 And we're at the stage two and a half years later now 49:44 we're dreaming about Season Three. 49:46 So, you know, we know God can provide for us. 49:49 Yeah. And He continues to do so. 49:51 Do you guys have any like movies in your future, 49:55 you thinking about? 49:56 We have one already on Martin Luther. 49:58 It was kind of done 50:00 that we released on the day of the reformation, 50:01 we partnered with an ARTV Adventist Review TV. 50:05 It's called 95. 50:06 And it's kind of just on Martin Luther. 50:10 So about 45-50 minutes long, just on Martin Luther. 50:13 So the aim really is to do like, longer stuff. 50:16 So like a whole one hour segment 50:20 on John Wycliffe or John Wesley, you know, 50:23 'cause we're kind of touching 50:24 the edges of all these reformers. 50:26 There's so much more information, 50:28 what were they like, 50:29 you know, did they have kids and how was it like, 50:31 standing up to the Catholic Church 50:32 as Martin Luther who had a family, 50:34 you know, those kind of things. 50:36 So we kind of want to delve a little bit deeper. 50:38 Nice, nice. 50:39 So kind of really exploring their background 50:42 and who they were as an individual, 50:44 in addition to what they contributed. 50:47 Nice. 50:49 So, all right, so we've got the movie thing, 50:52 we've got bite size content, 50:54 shareable content, study guides. 50:57 I think the study guides is an awesome idea. 50:59 Yeah, we're looking at releasing those 51:01 in hard copy, 51:02 but also because of the younger generation 51:03 that we're not solely appealing to, but obviously, 51:06 is our large audience. 51:08 We're also going to release those on Apple as iBooks. 51:10 Okay. 51:11 They're interactive, they have illustrations, 51:13 they have interactive maps and all that kind of stuff. 51:15 We already have a few prototypes 51:16 that we're kind of working on behind the scenes. 51:18 Nice, nice. 51:19 Well, I can't believe our time is almost up. 51:23 And we definitely want people to know 51:25 how they can contact you, 51:27 how they can support you, and all of those things. 51:29 So we're gonna go to an address role 51:32 and a news break and we'll be right back. 51:37 The Lineage Journey is designed 51:39 to help you understand your spiritual heritage 51:42 and explore the links between the past, 51:44 present and future. 51:46 Visit lineagejourney.com, where you'll find both, 51:49 Season One on the Reformation and Season Two. 51:52 The journey continues, 51:54 featuring the history and pioneers 51:56 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 51:58 Donate online at lineagejourney.com 52:02 or contact them by email at info@lineagejourney.com. 52:07 Check them out on social media 52:09 or subscribe to their Twitter feed 52:11 at lineage journey. |
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