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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:12 My name is John Lomacang, 01:13 thank you for taking the time to tune in today. 01:15 If you are new to our network, 01:16 remember this channel we believe is God ordained 01:19 to keep people ready or help others to get ready 01:21 for the coming of the Lord. 01:23 And we surely do appreciate your prayers 01:24 and your financial support. 01:27 Today we have a very exciting and informative program. 01:30 I would refer to it as the book that has never been sealed, 01:33 the Book of Revelation. 01:35 And we have two guests today 01:36 that are going to I believe, 01:38 be used of the Lord to highlight 01:40 and focus on how important this book 01:43 and the Bible is for those 01:46 who are looking forward to the coming of the Lord, 01:48 and wanna live lives in harmony with His will. 01:51 And so I'm gonna just go ahead 01:53 and directly dive 01:54 into introducing our guest today. 01:56 To my immediate right is Dr. Ranko Stefanovic, 01:58 I'm gonna reach out and shake your hand. 02:00 Good to see you, got my good friend. 02:02 John, it's a great pleasure to be here. 02:05 Yes, we're good friends. 02:06 You say don't continue 02:07 or refer to you as Dr. Stefanovic, but Ranko. 02:10 We're all brothers and sisters. 02:11 Exactly. 02:12 Praise the Lord and to the far right Ronald Knott, 02:14 the Director of Andrews University Press. 02:17 Good to have you here today. Thank you very much. 02:18 It's a great pleasure to be here. 02:20 Yes, and we sure appreciate all the work 02:22 that Andrews continues to do 02:25 to get good solid material 02:28 not only for the layman, 02:29 but also for the pastors 02:31 because that's a university 02:33 that's continually molding minds 02:34 on a daily basis 02:36 to be teachers in so many different areas, 02:38 and theology definitely is one I appreciate. 02:41 Thank you so much for being here. 02:42 Thank you very much. 02:43 Well, just once again, 02:45 for those who are watching and listening to the program, 02:47 they may have never met you. 02:49 And so, Dr. Stefanovic, just go ahead and start. 02:51 I want you to give us an understanding 02:53 what you do, and just give us an overview of who you are? 02:58 I'm Professor of the New Testament 03:01 at the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary, 03:04 Andrews University. 03:06 That's actually 03:07 my full time call. 03:09 In addition, 03:11 I travel a lot. 03:15 I made the presentation on all continents, 03:19 in more than 35 countries. 03:22 And that's actually my primary job 03:25 that I'm doing at Andrews University. 03:27 Okay, and good to have you here. 03:30 And I'll share some more things that you've done more recently. 03:32 It's a pleasure to be with you here. 03:34 Yes. 03:36 And, Ronald Knott, 03:37 I just introduce you 03:38 as Director of Andrews University Press, 03:40 but just broaden that for me? 03:42 Yes, I have the privilege of being responsible 03:45 for the university's academic publishing authority, 03:50 academic publishing house. 03:52 Andrews University Press 03:53 is the primary academic publishing house 03:57 to serve the Seventh-day Adventist Church worldwide. 04:00 Several other Adventist colleges and universities 04:02 around the world 04:03 have small academic publishing operations, 04:06 but Andrews University Press 04:08 has been in that business for nearly 50 years. 04:11 And our responsibility is to publish 04:14 the best in scholarship, 04:17 both for the professional education 04:19 of our ministry, 04:20 and specifically also to help 04:22 bring that scholarship very directly 04:25 to the rest of us. 04:27 And so we have the privilege of doing that. 04:30 And for those of you watching the program, 04:31 you might see in front of me a retinue of books, 04:34 a sampler 04:36 of what's been produced 04:37 at the Andrews University's Press. 04:40 One you have the Andrews Study Bible, 04:42 but there's another one that's gonna be coming out. 04:44 Yes, actually, 04:46 the Andrews Study Bible was originally released in 2010 04:50 in the New King James Version, 04:52 and soon it will be appearing 04:55 in the New International Version as well, 04:58 the two different and most popular 05:01 English translations of the Bible, 05:03 but with the benefit of all of the scholarly input 05:07 as separated study notes at the bottom of the page 05:11 clearly distinguished from the Bible text 05:12 that help us understand what that text is about. 05:16 And so we're very pleased 05:18 that we will have it out 05:19 in those two English translations. 05:21 And to the immediate right of that book 05:23 are two Revelation of Jesus Christ 05:25 and Plain Revelation. 05:27 Ranko, I like to have you speak to that. 05:29 What's the difference between these two, 05:31 the Revelation of Jesus Christ and then Plain Revelation? 05:35 Revelation of Jesus Christ 05:37 actually was originally published 05:39 in 2002. 05:42 And it was written that way to be verse by verse 05:46 commentary on the whole Book of Revelation. 05:50 And the purpose is 05:52 if the person studies the Book of Revelation 05:56 and comes to some difficult text, 05:58 so can go straight. 05:59 For instance, 06:01 Revelation 16:10, 06:02 the person goes to the commentary, 06:04 go finds Revelation 16:10, 06:08 and can get the exegetical analysis 06:11 of that passage to understand. 06:14 But the commentary 06:17 was well accepted by Seventh-day Adventists, 06:19 and also by other Christians of different denominations. 06:26 But we had so many requests 06:29 for a book 06:31 that was not the commentary, 06:35 that would cover the whole Book of Revelation, 06:37 but not necessarily verse by verse, 06:40 but chapter by chapter 06:41 to explain all those different symbols 06:45 and provide the insight 06:48 into the text of the Book of Revelation. 06:51 So that finally the text becomes clear to us. 06:55 And I'm so glad that we were able 06:57 to actually realize the dream 07:00 and this book Plain Revelation 07:02 I believe, Brother Knott, can tell us more. 07:05 It's older, well accepted by many, many people 07:08 and help many people 07:09 in understanding of the text of the Book of Revelation. 07:12 I am so glad I got my copy, 07:14 I got a Kindle. 07:16 You could also download this on Kindle. 07:17 It's not only available in hardback, 07:19 but also Kindle download, 07:21 which, depending on where you're watching 07:23 the program from, 07:24 you can get one right away 07:25 if you may be in a different country, 07:27 where you might say, 07:28 "Well, how long would it take to get there?" 07:30 Just go to Kindle and download a copy. 07:32 Before you sent me this version, 07:35 I was reading it on Kindle 07:36 and I was so excited along 07:38 with the Sabbath School Panel. 07:39 I'll talk about that in a moment. 07:40 When we did this study on Revelation, 07:42 and what an exciting study it is 07:44 Plain Revelation, 07:46 and also the Revelation of Jesus Christ. 07:48 Both books are very, very similar, 07:50 almost identical, 07:51 but one is more of a verse by verse 07:54 study of the Book of Revelation, 07:56 something that a pastor would really appreciate. 07:58 I like the word you used exegetical. 08:00 It expounds on what the scripture says 08:02 and helps the study of the symbols come out. 08:05 I would just add a few things about that book. 08:08 The book is intended 08:11 to be a good tool 08:12 for personal study of the Book the Revelation. 08:14 So for instance, 08:16 a person would like to go in systematic way 08:19 to study the Book of Revelation. 08:21 So the book I believe, it's a great tool, 08:23 chapter by chapter study of the Book of Revelation. 08:25 Also, the book is intended to be a good tool 08:28 for group studies. 08:30 Wonderful. 08:31 When I travel, I encourage people 08:33 that organized group 08:34 in five, six, seven people together. 08:38 And they go... 08:40 Before they meet together, 08:41 they go and study one chapter of the Book of Revelation. 08:45 The book can help them to understand some difficult, 08:49 you know, 08:50 symbols or words of the Book of Revelation. 08:52 So they meet together, 08:54 then they can share their insights. 08:56 But also as you mentioned, 08:57 the book is also intended to be good tool 09:00 to pastors who would like to have 09:03 a series of presentations on the Book of Revelation. 09:06 By the way, 09:07 that book follows 09:09 what we did here at 3ABN, 09:11 where we taped 26 09:13 one hour programs on the Book of Revelation. 09:15 So the book follows a similar pattern 09:19 so that pastors really can have a good series, 09:22 26 presentations of the Book of Revelation, 09:25 and everything is already there. 09:26 Of course, everybody has to do homework by himself. 09:29 Well, let's try. 09:30 Reading, I mean, reading is one thing, 09:32 but making a solid foundation, 09:34 one of the most important things. 09:37 But let me throw this question to you 09:38 because there's so many understandings 09:40 of the Book of Revelation. 09:41 How can we prevent 09:43 veering off course to private interpretation? 09:48 I would like to say something 09:50 that will come as a surprise to many. 09:53 When we started the Book of Revelation, 09:55 we have the best commentary 09:58 that we can rely on that commentary, 10:01 that commentary is infallible. 10:05 And if we follow that commentary, 10:07 we cannot be far away 10:09 from the meaning of the text. 10:11 And I know not what the viewers think 10:13 that I'm talking about, 10:14 actually, this is that commentary 10:16 that I would like 10:17 to introduce to the viewers. 10:19 That's right. 10:20 This is the commentary that God gave to us. 10:22 If we follow that commentary, 10:26 we cannot be far away from the meaning of the text. 10:29 As one spiritual author said 10:32 in the Book of Revelation, 10:34 all the books of the Bible meet. 10:38 So we had the Bible begins with the Book of Genesis, 10:41 and the book of Revelation actually concludes the Bible. 10:45 Everything what God intended, 10:47 what God planned that is described 10:49 in the Book of Genesis 10:51 that was lost with the entrance of sin. 10:54 Actually, the Book of Revelation 10:55 is telling us that 10:57 because of what Jesus did on the cross of Calvary 11:00 will be once again regained 11:01 when God creates a new heaven 11:03 and the new earth. 11:05 This is actually 11:06 what the Book of Revelation is all about. 11:08 So when we're talking about the Book of Revelation, 11:11 we have to understand something 11:13 that is obvious 11:14 to any new reader of this book. 11:16 Book of Revelation is written in the symbolic language. 11:18 That's right. 11:20 And this is what creates the difficulty. 11:23 In addition to that, 11:24 from our point of time in which we live, 11:27 the many things in the Book of Revelation 11:29 that we call the prophecies 11:31 that are yet to be fulfilled in the future. 11:33 Right. 11:35 And that's what we are struggling. 11:38 When you're dealing with the symbols, 11:39 you know, the difficulty is how to understand 11:42 that symbol is, 11:44 and we're trying our best to understand it. 11:47 In addition, 11:48 how those prophecies 11:50 that were written in the symbolic language 11:52 will finally be realized? 11:54 We are struggling 11:56 and sometimes when we are coming 11:57 to some texts of the Book of Revelation, 12:00 there're difficulties. 12:01 We are struggling, 12:03 people are doing their best 12:04 to understand the meaning of that text. 12:07 And sometimes people disagree. 12:09 And that's why we have to respect each other. 12:13 The main problem is sometimes people 12:15 go to newspapers 12:16 and sometimes contemporary events, 12:18 somehow they appear 12:21 as they are there in the text 12:23 and tomorrow those events are over, 12:25 another events come, people go, 12:28 you know, again in depth sensationalist approach, 12:32 become excited about what is going on 12:34 in the world, etcetera. 12:35 But we really have to look into the text, 12:38 and try to find out 12:40 about what God's intention 12:42 was when He gave those visions to John the Revelator 12:46 when he was on the Patmos, 12:47 and then John recorded in this book 12:50 that we call the Revelation of Jesus Christ. 12:52 Right. 12:54 So what you're saying is the Bible interprets 12:55 Revelation, not events. 12:57 This is an infallible formula. 12:59 All other books is our best efforts 13:02 as human beings. 13:03 We believe in the guidance of the Holy Spirit 13:06 that God is helping us. 13:07 We are doing our best to understand that text 13:10 and I really believe 13:12 that today we have fantastic understanding 13:16 of the Book of Revelation. 13:17 But there are some things in the Book of Revelation, 13:20 we are struggling 13:21 and probably we'll be struggling 13:23 until the time of that fulfillment, 13:25 and maybe even until the very, very time 13:28 of the second coming of Christ. 13:30 And that's why we need each other. 13:31 We need to study together. 13:33 We have to listen to each other. 13:36 But above all, 13:37 every study of the Book of Revelation, 13:39 we must begin 13:41 with a prayer asking God for the guidance 13:43 because I believe the same God 13:45 who inspired John the Revelator 13:46 and gave him those visions 13:48 can also help us in order to get 13:50 that deep insight 13:52 into the meaning of the text 13:53 of the Book of Revelation. 13:54 And so when Mr. Knott or Ronald, 13:59 I'll call you Ronald, 14:00 whenever you receive a book 14:02 and you know it's gone through these channels 14:04 in the annals 14:06 of the ecclesiastical crunch of Andrews, 14:11 the minds that have sat down, 14:13 the reason I'm approaching this... 14:14 The reason I asked that question 14:16 is because sometimes peoples 14:17 often take an oversimplified attitude 14:21 about a book that's been written, 14:22 they say, "Well, I don't really believe that 14:23 it came from Andrews University." 14:25 And, you know, these are just men. 14:27 But what I wanna emphasize 14:28 is when a book finally makes it to press, 14:32 like Plain Revelation, 14:35 the Revelation of Jesus Christ, 14:37 and the other books that you have listed here, 14:38 which we'll highlight in just a moment. 14:40 Quite a bit of preparation have gone into that, 14:42 quite a bit of preparation, 14:44 it's not just the opinions of a single individual. 14:46 Absolutely. But just tell us about that. 14:48 How does that all come together? 14:50 As with any publishing house, 14:51 in particularly with an academic publishing house, 14:53 there is, of course, a peer review process, 14:56 in which when a manuscript is proposed 14:59 and he's went through this as well, 15:01 rigorously, it is shared 15:03 with many faithful Bible scholars, and pastors, 15:06 and teachers who give their input. 15:08 And the consensus 15:10 of what this manuscript 15:13 in this case his commentary 15:15 or his Plain Revelation book will contribute to the church, 15:18 how it will be helpful, how it is faithful. 15:21 And all of that advises 15:23 the Andrews University Press Board, 15:26 which is chaired 15:27 by the president of Andrews University. 15:29 And they consider those peer reviews 15:32 and make a decision and then they direct the staff, 15:35 myself and my colleagues to see that it gets done, 15:37 And then there's a lot more work to do, 15:39 where we work with the author 15:40 in preparing it 15:42 and it's a tremendous engagement 15:46 with what we want to be as true 15:49 as we possibly know 15:50 how under the blessing of the Holy Spirit 15:52 to produce for the benefit of the world church. 15:55 I would like to add here. 15:57 So many times people are confused, 15:59 there is a book, 16:01 and there is the person 16:02 that is the name of the person who wrote book. 16:04 And the people say, 16:06 this is just an opinion of one person, 16:08 of course, it's the result of our human, 16:11 you know, best effort to understand the text, 16:14 there is a lot involved there. 16:16 But when the manuscript is submitted, 16:19 then it is given to a certain number of individuals 16:23 who also invested a lot of time 16:25 inside of the biblical text. 16:27 For instance, in this case, the Book of Revelation, 16:29 they read carefully and after that, 16:32 they sent their reactions, their comments 16:35 which is sent back to the author. 16:40 And I understand 16:41 when my comment on the Revelation, 16:43 when I received it, 16:45 it took me about seven, eight months, 16:47 through all those comments. 16:48 So once the book is published, 16:51 it's not just a view of a particular individual, 16:55 in this case, the author who wrote the book, 16:57 it's somehow a result of consensus 17:00 that is reached that this is really 17:03 what the interpretation 17:05 of the Book of Revelation is all about. 17:07 Yeah, I'm gonna give 17:08 an oversimplified reinterpretation 17:09 of what you said or interpretation of that. 17:11 It's like the pilot in an airplane. 17:13 He may be in the pilot seat, 17:15 but there's a navigator, 17:17 there's the GPS, there's the instruments, 17:19 there's the control tower, 17:21 and all the people 17:22 that it took to prepare that plane 17:24 before he can even get off the ground, 17:25 he has to get ground clearance, fuel, all the input, 17:29 and we give the pilot all the praise 17:31 but without the crew, 17:32 without all the continuous, 17:35 from tower to tower, 17:37 shifting from state to state, 17:38 when they leave Colorado, 17:40 they go to the next state 17:41 and then that control tower, the next state, 17:42 and then approach, and takeoff, and landing, 17:45 it's so much but the pilot gets all the praise. 17:47 There's much more involved. 17:48 But the pilot gets the praise where he gets the blame. 17:50 Well, I must say I have never heard 17:52 that analogy applied to publishing 17:54 and particularly academic publishing, but I love it. 17:57 It's a great analysis. Quite a bit involved. 18:00 I would like to say something, 18:02 and usually we don't talk about that. 18:04 I would tell the viewers 18:06 to be very careful of self-published books. 18:10 Today, everybody can take $500 18:14 and go and publish 18:15 one, two, three, four hundred books and distribute. 18:21 Nobody ever had opportunity to read that manuscript, 18:24 to give the insights. 18:26 Of course, we're not saying don't read those books. 18:30 There are many good things 18:31 that individuals can express 18:33 but when we are talking really about, 18:36 about the meaning that we want to understand, 18:38 it's very important that we go and consult the books 18:42 that went through the peer review process, 18:45 that somehow a kind of consensus 18:48 was reached about what is put there 18:51 or what is found in the book. 18:52 And what's so important about that 18:54 is we're warned about this phrase new light. 18:57 So I've been a pastor 18:59 and going on 32 years 19:00 and that phrase new light has been a blessing 19:03 and a curse at the very same time, 19:05 depending on whose interpretation 19:07 is behind that phrase new light. 19:09 And even Ellen White encourages us anytime 19:12 that anybody claims to have new light 19:15 submitted to the brothers, 19:16 and the Bible says, 19:18 "There's safety in a multitude of counselors." 19:22 And I think that's what you're saying here 19:23 because, you know, anybody could write a book 19:25 and put it out. 19:26 And I've done so, I did a little small pamphlet, 19:29 you know, just a 45 page booklet 19:30 on the three angels' messages. 19:32 But before that went out, I put it through the, 19:34 you know, is this correct? 19:36 No, do the change 19:37 so that we can do two things. 19:39 One, we don't want to damage the credibility of the Bible. 19:44 Sure. 19:45 Secondly, we wanna represent Jesus Christ. 19:47 And I don't think that any author, 19:49 I would say this, 19:50 I don't believe that many people 19:51 approach their writing with that attitude in mind. 19:54 But when there is no accountability, 19:56 and that's what I hear you're saying. 19:57 And we believe 19:59 that God really spoke 20:00 through more than one person, 20:02 more people are involved. 20:04 And I remember so many times 20:07 when, you know, some issues came. 20:10 And I said, 20:11 I invested so much time in that, 20:14 but now those three four individuals disagree with me. 20:16 But if three four other people disagree or say, 20:20 "Hey, be careful with regard to that, 20:22 we should take it seriously." 20:24 And I say, 20:26 "I have to involve more time, 20:28 I have really to see what is in the text. 20:32 So it's very, very important to keep that in mind. 20:35 And sometimes this is the main issue 20:37 with regard to the controversies 20:39 that we have regarding the Book of Revelation. 20:41 That's right, 'cause not everybody agrees 20:42 on everything, that's the key. 20:44 We have to give room for understanding, 20:46 and room for growth, and then there's some people 20:47 that may say, "I never considered that." 20:51 So look into it. 20:52 And before you reject something, 20:54 study it and let the Bible 20:56 be the comparative guide. 20:58 But I wanna just say, 20:59 "I appreciate so much, 21:00 putting the Sabbath School lesson together, 21:04 talk about that process 21:06 because that study that we did the, 21:08 one of the quarters we had on the Book of Revelation, 21:11 I know that you did your best 21:13 and we conversed 21:14 to put it in such a small lesson. 21:17 It's like, what do I leave out, what do I put in, 21:19 talk about that? 21:20 Yeah. 21:22 One of the challenge just that we had, 21:24 when I was asked to write the Sabbath School Quarterly 21:27 was to put the whole book 21:29 into one quarter, three months. 21:33 I didn't understand 21:34 how many difficulties I would have. 21:36 And we noticed 21:37 the last Sabbath School lesson four chapters 21:42 we had to put in one week. 21:45 It was very, very challenging 21:46 but the processes is, 21:48 you are asked to write Sabbath School quarterly, 21:50 you write, then you sent 21:52 to the Sabbath School Department there, 21:54 and it goes to the committee. 21:57 The people there, they carefully read 22:00 the whole manuscript everything was submitted, 22:03 they give their suggestions, etcetera. 22:05 And once when it is done, 22:08 then the manuscript is given to the editor, 22:10 especially for us. 22:13 English is not my primary language, etcetera. 22:15 So there are many things to edit, editors, 22:18 they know how to put it in smooth way, 22:21 Once it is done, 22:22 then it goes to another committee, 22:25 and I was told that that committee consists 22:28 of 250 members. 22:30 Wow! 22:32 Everybody reads carefully. 22:35 And once the consensus is done, 22:39 there is the final editing. 22:41 And then it is sent to the field, 22:44 okay, to the translators to prepare the manuscript 22:47 in different languages. 22:49 And to me, the process is probably 22:51 about four or five years. 22:52 I submitted my Sabbath School lesson, 22:54 I think, in 2014, 22:57 it was a long ago. 22:58 So when Sabbath School Quarterly came, 22:59 it was not simply the opinion of Stefanovic, 23:04 it's a consensus reach 23:07 of the worldwide church 23:08 that is actually put there 23:10 in the Sabbath School Quarterly. 23:11 And I would like to add something, 23:14 there is an attitude among the Christians 23:16 when we read something and disagrees 23:19 with what I have believed for many, many years 23:23 that I believe two extreme attitudes 23:26 that are equally dangerous. 23:27 One is, "Oh boy, 23:29 everything what is written, 23:30 I'd embrace it." 23:32 And there is a tendency when another view comes, 23:34 I will embrace it again. 23:35 But 23:38 another extreme is, "Everything what I read, 23:43 I want to show how much I disagree." 23:45 Right. 23:47 What is the right attitude? 23:48 When we read something, 23:50 and even disagrees what I had believed 23:52 for many years is, "Okay, 23:55 well, I never thought about that." 23:57 Now there is a call for prayer, 23:59 Lord, now help me 24:00 and now I had to invest time to study for myself, 24:04 which is actually the principle established 24:05 in the Bible. 24:07 When we get to some new light, 24:09 we really have with God's help, 24:11 asking the Holy Spirit will come, to go, 24:14 and to invest my personal time, 24:17 to have my personal involvement in study of these texts, 24:22 and then really have my own approach 24:25 toward the understanding of these texts. 24:27 But then you have those two extreme approaches, 24:29 I believe, equally, equally wrong. 24:32 That's right. 24:33 I believe everything or I criticize everything. 24:36 And that has been part of the Achilles' heel 24:39 in a church where there's so much knowledge. 24:40 I know you've seen... 24:42 How many books has Andrews University Press 24:44 put out in the past years? 24:47 In the past year, we do about five or six books a year 24:50 in general because academic publishing 24:52 is very intense, 24:54 and it also operates with a small staff 25:00 and so we do five to six books a year, 25:03 most of these came out within one year's time 25:05 except for his commentary in the study Bible. 25:08 So that's about what we do in a year. 25:10 And the reason I asked that question, 25:12 there's a difference between Academic Press 25:14 and just the press in general 25:16 because let's just use Pacific Press as an example, 25:19 many general life stories, many situational stories, 25:24 stories that are written about a person's autobiography, 25:27 or, you know, the last storm that happened, 25:30 what do you do after the storm? 25:32 Those are books that are just continually coming on 25:34 and they're just fine off the shelf just like that. 25:36 And those are good materials, but those are situational, 25:39 they change. 25:40 But one of the reasons with Academic Press 25:42 and I wanna highlight this again. 25:44 When you put these books out like the Plain Revelation 25:46 when this book comes out, 25:48 it has a longevity to it. 25:50 It has to have the forward looking reality that, 25:54 "Okay, this book, 25:56 most likely will survive me 25:58 and in 30 years from now if the world is still here, 26:01 what will people be considering 26:03 about the content of this book?" 26:05 When you write, 26:07 how does that approach 26:08 affect the way you approach your study? 26:12 Actually, that book was written 26:15 not to be scholarly. 26:17 Right. 26:18 You know sometimes 26:20 scholarship is perceived going above the heads of the people 26:24 you know, it's technical language, 26:25 we try not to use technical language. 26:27 Right, not for this one. 26:29 Not for this one. Not this one. 26:30 Even this one. 26:32 What I'm glad about this commentary, 26:35 scholars that they read it, 26:38 that commentary is found in major libraries, 26:40 United States and Europe, 26:43 but still ordinary people read it, 26:45 and they see the depth 26:47 they are so much enriched by starting with. 26:49 Well, and part of that, Ranko, 26:50 because you had a brilliant idea, 26:53 my perspective of how to organize it 26:56 because you have very detailed exposition 27:00 in a sec after looking at a passage of scripture, 27:03 you have very detailed exposition 27:05 which can be called... 27:06 In small font. In small fonts, yeah. 27:07 Smaller font which could be considered 27:09 the scholars' notes, 27:10 and then you have more general exposition 27:12 for the rest of us. 27:14 So in one volume, you have both aspects 27:17 that make it very useful both ways. 27:18 And so that's why it can be a bridge. 27:20 Well, that's in the Revelation of Jesus. 27:22 And I'm so glad that actually, 27:24 that commentary has reached a record. 27:27 In this, this whole country, 27:29 almost there is no church that I ever traveled 27:31 that people do not come 27:33 with copies of the commentaries, 27:34 it's well accepted. 27:36 But there was a need for a book, 27:39 you know, this commentary is very hard 27:41 to translate in different languages, 27:43 especially in certain languages, 27:46 there is no readership, you know, 27:48 great number of people who buy the commentary. 27:51 So there was a need for a book, 27:55 smaller one, less pages, 27:57 there could be even though less technical than this one, 28:00 which will appeal to the people 28:03 who do not have theological education, 28:06 but they are informed people, 28:07 they study the Bible 28:09 and that commentary was written actually, 28:12 to provide help to the people in better understanding 28:16 of the Book of Revelation, 28:17 without subtly 28:19 to be involved in biblical languages 28:21 or technical languages etcetera. 28:24 And I believe we succeeded enough 28:25 with regard to that. 28:26 Praise the Lord. 28:28 And I'd like to encourage the viewers, 28:29 Sabbath School Quarterly, you know, 28:32 we started, but now, 28:35 we want to continue to study 28:36 and I believe that this book 28:38 can be a great tool in helping us. 28:40 Keep in mind, this is the commentary. 28:42 Right. 28:43 This is indispensable, okay. 28:45 But these can be an additional tool 28:47 that can help us, 28:48 you know, to better to understand 28:49 the text of Revelation. 28:51 Plain Revelation, you've got it, 28:52 as I mentioned before, 28:54 I have a Kindle copy, and I have a hard copy. 28:56 This is great for highlighting, 28:58 I could highlight my Kindle, too, 28:59 when I travel, I'll take my Kindle version with me, 29:01 but if I'm on the road, 29:03 going to talk about anything in Revelation, 29:04 I have this copy also with me. 29:06 And it's a wonderful book, 29:07 I've looked through it 29:08 and the way it's organized as I... 29:10 Ronald, you talked about this, the way it's organized, 29:12 it has a flow to it. 29:15 I've looked at books written in the past on Revelation, 29:17 some of them have a flow to it, 29:19 but you get stuck 29:20 because there's so many side notes to it, 29:21 whereas Plain Revelation 29:23 makes it a book that you can read 29:25 from one event to the other, 29:28 like main title, 29:30 who are the 144,000, 29:31 the seven trumpets part one, part two, 29:33 and it breaks down. 29:35 And what I like also about it is there is a respect 29:41 that's in each of the topics 29:43 you approach, a lot of time... 29:44 Or disagreement. 29:46 A lot of times people could say, 29:49 "So and so said, 29:50 but here's what I think." 29:51 And you don't have that attitude when you write. 29:53 You write in the sense of, 29:55 "Here's what the Bible says, 29:56 let us look at what the text says." 30:01 And actually, maybe this is the time 30:02 that we just make one statement. 30:04 One of the criticism that I have received, 30:08 and believe me today, Sabbath School Quarterly. 30:11 Every day, I don't know how many emails I received. 30:13 And I apologize to everyone 30:15 that I was not able to respond to the email 30:17 so many it was humanly speaking, 30:20 impossible to respond to all emails. 30:22 But so many people say, 30:23 "Why are you not much more dogmatic 30:27 making statement, this is a truth." 30:29 The problem is, as we stated just a few moments ago, 30:33 there are some difficult things in the Book of Revelation. 30:35 And there is disagreement, 30:37 there're two or three different opinions. 30:39 So the book try to show respect also 30:42 for other views that are there. 30:45 It's telling us that there is a need 30:48 for much deeper study, 30:49 more work should be done 30:51 in understanding of some biblical text. 30:53 And that's actually the purpose of the book is not to reject, 30:56 you know, other views is telling us 30:58 this is what we understand today 31:01 that is the meaning of the text. 31:04 And this is interpretation that is supported 31:07 by the contextual evidences of the book. 31:10 At the same time, we don't despise, 31:12 we don't reject, you know, 31:15 those views that really disagree what was presented. 31:19 I liked earlier what you said about the Bible, 31:24 is the commentary on Revelation. 31:25 So, if I'm understanding correctly, 31:27 when you say that 31:28 or when you're preparing to write a commentary 31:30 on Revelation, 31:32 you are not writing a commentary on Revelation 31:34 so much as you are explaining 31:36 what the Bible's commentary is on the Book of Revelation. 31:40 And that's a beautiful point. 31:42 You know, not everybody has a time 31:44 to spend hours and hours 31:46 trying to understand about biblical text, 31:48 but God has put some people for instance, like myself, 31:52 gave us an opportunity to spend hours 31:55 and hours every day studying this book, 31:58 trying to bring to light. 32:00 For instance, the Old Testament references 32:03 that help us understand particular texts. 32:05 So we who are busy, 32:07 you know, in our everyday' s life, 32:10 but we somehow have some tools, some help, 32:13 you know, in our better understanding of this book, 32:15 as we are studying the Book of Revelation. 32:17 Revelation, 32:19 if you were to summarize the book in a short statement, 32:21 what is Revelation all about? 32:24 Just briefly state it? Yes. 32:27 If I'm here, and I want to find out, 32:29 for instance, just using some solution, 32:32 the history of 3ABN. 32:33 If such book exists, I don't know exists. 32:36 And I go to the bookstore, 32:37 what is the title that I'm looking 32:39 in order to find about the history of 3ABN. 32:42 The title should be like that, history of 3ABN Broadcasting. 32:48 Okay, the title always tell us 32:51 what we're supposed to find in the book. 32:53 What is the title of the last book of the Bible, 32:56 it says, the Revelation of Jesus Christ. 32:59 The title is telling us 33:00 what we are supposed to find in the book. 33:04 This book, 33:05 the primary focus of this book is on Jesus Christ. 33:09 Yes. 33:10 Revelation 1 is telling us 33:12 that the purpose of the book is to tell us 33:14 what will happen in the future. 33:17 But not simply to satisfy our curiosity about the future, 33:21 but to tell us when that future takes place, 33:24 we can always count on the promise of Jesus, 33:27 what He said, what He promised, 33:29 that He will be with His people, 33:32 always, until the time of the end. 33:34 And I believe, John, 33:35 we're living at the time of the end. 33:37 The promise of Jesus is still valid for all of us today. 33:40 So what would the danger be Revelation without Jesus? 33:43 Let's talk about that. Very good question. 33:46 We're not studying the Book of Revelation, 33:48 we are studying what we want to find 33:51 in the Book of Revelation. 33:53 By the way, 33:54 any topic on the Book of Revelation 33:57 that we try to understand, and we read, and we explore, 34:00 if this is not focused on Christ, 34:03 we are starting our ideas about the Book of 34:07 Revelation which is completely in opposition 34:09 to the intent of the book. 34:10 Keep in mind, the title is telling us 34:12 what we are supposed to find in the book. 34:14 And, Ronald, on that very note, 34:18 Plain Revelation, 34:19 when you open the Book of Revelation, 34:22 as you pointed, so that comparison was amazing. 34:26 It should tell you in the very beginning, 34:28 what to expect, 34:29 you know, if I walk into the terminal of an airport, 34:32 I don't just pick a plane and get on it, 34:34 I first look for my airline, I then check my flight number, 34:39 I then check my destination, 34:41 only then are the specifics important. 34:44 But I have to start with that generalization. 34:46 First of all, I'm going to an airport, why? 34:48 Not to play basketball. 34:49 I'm going to an airport to get to another destination. 34:52 In the Book of Revelation, 34:53 when you begin with the focus on Christ, 34:56 and you keep the focus on Christ, 34:58 then the picture comes together. 34:59 You may have heard the story, and you may have used it 35:01 before about the father 35:02 whose son kept interrupting him 35:05 while he was trying to study in his office. 35:06 And he said, "How could I keep him busy? 35:08 So he tore up a piece of paper, and says, 35:09 "Go put this back together." 35:11 And the son came back in two minutes. 35:14 He said, "How did you do that so quickly?" 35:17 He said, "On the other side of it was a picture of Jesus, 35:20 when I put his face together, it was easy." 35:23 And when we put the picture of Jesus, 35:25 square and center in our study of Revelation, 35:28 then the book starts to reveal who Christ is. 35:31 So all the beasts, 35:32 all the kingdoms rising and falling, 35:34 are all of systematic unfolding of the person of Christ 35:38 throughout human history. 35:40 And they are all in the book. 35:41 We have to understand that the Book of Revelation 35:45 is one of the books of the Bible. 35:47 And the whole Bible is not written simply to inform us 35:50 about the future will bring. 35:51 Right. 35:52 There are many people 35:54 who may be today can understand a little bit 35:57 about the future will bring, 35:58 but they will be lost completely. 36:00 The purpose of the book is that understanding of the future 36:03 will bring can make us today to be better Christians, 36:06 to make me to be better husband, 36:08 to be better father, to be better neighbor, 36:12 to be whatever, to be better Christians, 36:16 that really I can represent Jesus Christ and His life. 36:19 I didn't understand the Sabbath School Quarterly, 36:21 how one sentence will provoke discussion, 36:23 positive discussions among people, 36:25 and I said that the purpose of the Book of Revelation 36:28 is to provide us with the strength for today, 36:32 and to provide us with the hope for the future. 36:35 Sometimes, you know, we Christians, 36:36 we just look into the future, 36:37 but we don't know how to live today. 36:39 And that's what the purpose of the Book of Revelation is, 36:42 is to make the balance between what today we are, 36:47 what we can have today, 36:49 and also to provide us with that hope 36:51 that this life is not all, 36:53 that we have the future 36:54 that actually God holds in His hands. 36:57 So it's not... 36:58 The Bible doesn't say called His name Immanuel, 37:00 God will be with us, God with us. 37:03 That's right, that present. 37:05 And so it's not just about information, 37:06 but it's about transformation. 37:08 Okay, I like that. I appreciate that. 37:10 Not an original statement by any means. 37:13 But there are some comments here. 37:16 And as you pointed out, the emails 37:17 that you had to respond to, I could only imagine. 37:20 It was. And I'm so glad. 37:23 Actually, do you know my devotional that I had, 37:26 I will take the Bible and to study 37:28 and simply open my computer, 37:30 and read the comments that people made. 37:31 When I have a person said, 37:34 I could study the Book of Revelation for 70 years. 37:37 And finally, I made the message that touches my life. 37:42 I'm falling in love with Jesus Christ. 37:44 I said, "Lord, yes." 37:46 Because everything what we are doing, 37:48 it's not simply to sit 37:49 and to have an academic exercise into something. 37:52 We want to see each other in God's kingdom. 37:55 I believe every page that we are at, 37:57 even this program that we are doing 37:58 is hoping that it will impact, 38:02 that it will make an impact on somebody. 38:04 So that one day when we find ourselves in God's kingdom, 38:07 we can look at each other and say, 38:09 "Thank you, thank you." 38:10 Maybe even that short statement that you made, 38:13 impact my life and because of that 38:14 I'm today in God's kingdom. 38:16 We're fellow citizens in a common journey. 38:18 Exactly. 38:19 There is one of those comments, it says, 38:20 "Dear Professor Stefanovic, I am a former seminary student, 38:23 I finished in 2008. 38:25 I just wanted to say I am so Grateful 38:29 that God used you 38:30 to write the Sabbath School Quarterly and Revelation. 38:32 I'm learning so much 38:34 and understanding the Book of Revelation with a clarity 38:36 I've never had even after taking the class 38:39 while at the seminary. 38:41 You have made it so easy to understand, 38:44 and I get underline bold, italics, 38:46 excited every time I study the daily lesson. 38:49 May the Lord bless you richly, 38:51 for your diligent work in writing this quarterly, 38:53 stay faithful until He comes. 38:55 And that's from a chaplain that was at Andrews University 38:58 that graduated in theology. 39:00 And that's just one of the many comments. 39:02 Another one short and to the point. 39:04 "Thank you for authoring the lesson on Revelation. 39:07 We need these truths presently." 39:09 You know, one of the things I've done, 39:11 Ronald and Ranko, is 39:14 I've had this practice of keeping 39:16 Sabbath School lessons, 39:18 the earliest one I have is 1976, 39:21 which was a study on end time events, 1976. 39:27 Now, to be candid, I haven't kept them all. 39:30 But I've chosen through the years, 39:31 these lessons that I just, 39:33 I could never dispense of this one, 39:35 and this is one of those. 39:36 Praise God. 39:38 When was the last time that the Sabbath School Quarterly 39:42 dealt with the Book of Revelation 39:44 as the Book of Revelation, Ranko? 39:46 Maybe your question only has much broad meaning 39:51 than just what the question implied. 39:54 Last time we studied Sabbath School Quarter 39:57 on the Book of Revelation, 29 years ago, 40:02 in 1989. 40:05 And maybe this created problem, 40:06 I simply I'm talking now to the viewers 40:10 because the church never publicly provided a series 40:14 on the Book of Revelation, so that we understand 40:17 what Seventh-day Adventists really have to say 40:21 about the Book of Revelation. 40:23 So many people in different parts of the world, 40:26 they're left on their own, 40:27 they don't have all the information of the book. 40:29 So when finally, after 29 years, 40:32 we got Sabbath School Quarterly in our hands, 40:35 sometimes we are surprised, 40:36 and that's good that we are surprised. 40:38 You know, that's good, 40:39 but give us now more opportunity, 40:41 more opportunity for a deeper study. 40:44 And actually what I understand, 40:46 we will not have next 25 years 40:48 again to start the Book of Revelation to understand, 40:51 we will have a much, much sooner. 40:53 It really provoked so much desire 40:57 in the hearts of the people for this book. 41:00 You know, one of my favorite approaches 41:01 and I want to just give you an opportunity 41:03 to just to touch on one of the... 41:05 Go to Revelation Chapter 12 and this is Revelation 12. 41:08 And by the way, I am just not, 41:11 I would defer immediately to Ranko, Dr. Stefanovic here. 41:15 Revelation 12 is such a rich, rich, rich book. 41:21 If you were to break it down into... 41:23 I know the woman, the war in heaven, 41:25 the war on earth. 41:26 But Revelation 12:10, 41:30 is an amazing transitional verse in Revelation. 41:35 Hit on that for a moment because it leads into, 41:37 it goes from the war in heaven. 41:40 And I heard a presentation you did at Sligo, 41:43 that sermon I was just, 41:45 I was sitting, I got a copy of it, 41:47 and I played it in my car, 41:48 I looked at it again on the internet. 41:51 And you ask the question, 41:53 when did the devil know he had such a short time? 41:58 It was after the cross. It was after the cross. 42:03 Up to the cross, 42:05 Satan claimed to be the ruler over the planet earth. 42:08 Actually Jesus called him three times. 42:13 Prince of this word. 42:14 The Greek word literal translated 42:16 is the ruler of this world. 42:17 We know when God created Adam, 42:20 Adam was supposed to be the prince, 42:21 God gave him the dominion. 42:23 But Satan after his fall in heaven, 42:26 after he was cast out from heaven, 42:28 actually, he was looking for the dwelling place. 42:31 In meantime, God created this planet, 42:33 He came, He deceived Adam and Eve. 42:36 And it is from Adam, 42:38 He actually took that that rulership. 42:41 And during the Old Testament time, 42:43 that's actually what He was doing. 42:45 He still had access to heaven 42:48 because he was the ruler. 42:49 The Book of Job clearly is telling us about that. 42:51 Where did you come from? That's right. 42:52 And unfortunately, the heavenly beings there, 42:56 they were completely confused, 42:58 hey, Satan had spent with them good part of eternity, 43:02 so they were completely confused. 43:04 But it is on the cross, 43:05 that the true nature of Satan's character was revealed. 43:10 And according to the New Testament, 43:12 after Jesus ascended there to the heavenly places, 43:15 there was an event. 43:16 I'd like to urge the viewers 43:19 to go to the Book of the Desire of Ages, 43:23 and to read the last five pages of that book. 43:26 Nobody made better commentary on Revelation 12 43:31 than those last five pages of the Book of Desire of Ages. 43:35 I read that literally, I read at least 50 times. 43:39 Every time when I want to have good worship? 43:42 how to be encouraged, 43:43 I read the last five pages of the Book of Desire of Ages. 43:48 We see what took place there in heaven, 43:50 there was an event, 43:52 according to the Book of Revelation is explained 43:54 as the enthronement of Christ. 43:55 Why? 43:57 Because Jesus on the cross, 43:59 He redeemed everything what could be lost with Adam. 44:02 But they're in the heavenly places. 44:04 Jesus was installed on the heavenly throne 44:07 at the right hand of the Father. 44:10 The Book of Acts Chapter 2, 44:11 the day of Pentecost, 44:13 this is what, this is all about this. 44:15 At that moment, 44:16 Satan was completely banned from the heavenly places. 44:21 According to the New Testament, 44:23 these earth has become his prison place. 44:28 He's still doing his activities. 44:29 Right. 44:31 According to the Book of Revelation, 44:32 he's enraged, he's full of anger, 44:35 he knows that he has only one chance left. 44:37 That chance is called the Battle of Armageddon. 44:40 But actually the message of the Book of Revelation is, 44:43 that's my favorite type. 44:44 Every discussion, the final events, 44:46 I begin with Chapter 12. 44:48 The title of my chapter 12 is Satan is a defeated enemy. 44:51 Amen. Amen. 44:53 He's waiting his end, and Jesus is in control. 44:56 He defeated Satan at His birth. 44:58 First five verses, 45:00 He defeated Satan at the cross and after the cross. 45:04 He defeated Satan in the history 45:06 of the Christian church. 45:07 Satan knows that he has only one chance left. 45:09 And that chance is called the Battle of Armageddon. 45:12 But the message of Chapter 12 is, 45:14 don't be afraid of that enraged enemy, 45:17 he is just a defeated enemy. 45:19 I am the victor, 45:20 I will be with you always and your only hope 45:23 is that I am with you. 45:25 That's right. I mean... 45:26 If I want to summarize, 45:27 that's really what the book is about. 45:29 I mean, when Revelation 12:10 goes and says, 45:32 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven." 45:35 Not just a voice, this was a proclamation. 45:39 This was an announcement, an anthem. 45:42 And it takes me to, so when it says, 45:44 "Now salvation, and strength, 45:47 and the kingdom of our God, 45:49 and the power of His Christ have come, 45:50 for the accuser of our brethren, 45:53 who accused them before our God 45:54 day and night has been cast down." 45:57 And the casting out and the casting down, 45:59 two separate events. 46:01 But the casting down was... 46:03 And they overcame him, this secure statement. 46:06 And then he has from that point, 46:08 he knows he has a short time. 46:11 That's why when I was listening, 46:13 we've spoken on the phone a number of times. 46:16 And the other part of Revelation 46:18 that so excites me 46:20 is when Revelation 5:5, 46:23 where the elders says to John, "Do not weep." 46:26 I mean that just... 46:29 That's emotional to me. 46:30 John tears expressed the tears of the whole fallen humanity, 46:35 who are hopeless and helpless. 46:37 They don't know what the future will bring. 46:39 What do we do? But the message is, don't weep. 46:42 Actually, John, can I just? Sure, yes. 46:45 I want to use about 30 seconds. 46:46 I want you to get, take as much as you want. 46:48 I want to really commend 3ABN for the panel discussions 46:55 that you did, for those 13 weeks, 46:58 on Sabbath School Quarterly on the Book of Revelation. 47:01 I watch it regularly. 47:02 Usually I don't watch, I don't have time for that. 47:04 But Friday evening, my wife and myself, we watch it. 47:07 You did, all of you, five of you 47:11 actually seven of you, but always five participated. 47:14 You did a fantastic job. 47:15 And I'd like to encourage the viewers in addition 47:18 to my book etcetera, 47:19 that they go back to your archives, 47:22 pick up those programs, 47:23 those panel discussion on the Book of Revelation, 47:25 and look at again, you did a fantastic job. 47:27 Praise God. 47:29 I was so happy really to listen to you. 47:31 And my wife, no, she looked at me, 47:33 she said, "Why are you so excited? 47:35 You wrote the Sabbath School Quarterly. 47:36 But I said they made it so alive. 47:38 They made it so practical. 47:40 They made so applicable to the Christian life. 47:42 So I'd like to encourage viewers 47:44 to go back to lesson number one, 47:46 number two, number three, all to the lesson 13, 47:48 and to watch it again. 47:50 You did a fantastic job, each one of you. 47:52 To God be the glory. 47:53 I mean, we've had some conversation on the phone, 47:55 we just rejoice together and we praise God together. 47:58 And the pictures, I just gave you two snippets, 48:00 Revelation 12 48:02 and Revelation 4 and 5 that and the enthronement of Christ. 48:05 What do we do? And where is He? 48:07 He's not in the earth, 48:09 He's not under the earth, He's not in heaven. 48:11 Where is He? He is on His way. 48:13 And that picture of Psalm Chapter 24, 48:16 lift up your head O ye gates. 48:18 I tell you I... 48:20 You did that fantastic, 48:21 you made that point so great in the panel discussion. 48:24 Easily 20 years ago, 48:25 that the Lord revealed that to me in my studies, 48:27 well, He's not on the earth, 48:29 He's not under the earth, He's not in heaven. 48:30 Where is He? He's on His way. 48:33 And I tell you, I want another hour here. 48:36 Although I can't get it right now, 48:38 we just have a little bit more than three minutes. 48:40 But Dr. Stefanovic and Ronald, give us, 48:43 there're more books here 48:45 than just the two on Revelation. 48:46 I wanna highlight some of those because what I want to do is 48:49 allow our viewers and listeners to know that 48:51 if you're looking for some quality material to study, 48:55 Andrews University Press has a lot to offer. 48:58 Well, thank you very much. 48:59 Obviously, we have been talking 49:01 about Dr. Stefanovic's commentary, 49:03 his full commentary on the Book of Revelation, 49:05 verse by verse approach for both the scholar 49:07 and the lay reader at the same time 49:09 is simpler volume on Plain Revelation. 49:13 I mentioned earlier the Andrews Study Bible 49:15 and we're pleased as I mentioned, 49:16 again, to be preparing that to be 49:19 out in the other most popular English translation 49:23 in the near future. 49:24 And then... 49:26 Contours of Adventist... 49:28 The book entitled simply Salvation: 49:30 Contours of Adventist Soteriology. 49:34 Soteriology is the high octane word 49:40 that simply means the doctrine of salvation, 49:43 the study of salvation. 49:44 That's in my library. Well, good. 49:46 And, Ron, I would really like to encourage viewers. 49:50 If they have any questions about the issue of salvation 49:53 in the Bible, 49:55 that's the best book and I can say 49:56 because I did not write anything in that book. 49:59 So that is not something that I'm advertising myself. 50:02 That book is a fantastic, 50:04 it's a must tool in the library of many Christians 50:08 who want to understand better the issue of salvation 50:10 in the Bible. 50:11 And it was produced by Ranko's colleagues 50:13 at the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary. 50:16 Another book recently Protest & Progress, 50:19 Black Seventh-day Adventist Leadership 50:21 And The push For Parity by Dr. Calvin Rock, 50:24 longtime vice-president of the General Conference, 50:27 and administrator 50:29 with a tremendous pastoral heart, 50:31 who is able to touch on some delicate issues 50:34 on both the high points 50:35 and sometimes the disappointments 50:37 of race relations in a faith community. 50:40 And he does it with power, and conviction, 50:44 and grace, and pastoral heart. 50:47 Textbook intended for students on Jesus of Nazareth 50:52 written by William Johnson, 50:54 former editor of the Adventist Review. 50:56 And then down there at the end, 50:58 we have the Inspirational Classics, 51:03 annotated edition of Ellen White's famous classic, 51:07 Steps to Christ. 51:08 And it's been prepared in a kind of a deluxe edition 51:11 that is intended for people to share. 51:14 It's in a format 51:16 that anyone could be proud 51:17 to present that to anyone else 51:19 we have a similar edition with her book 51:22 on the Parables of Christ, Christ Object Lessons. 51:23 Wow. 51:25 You know, 51:26 and I want to just also give you some information 51:28 so that you can get in touch with Ronald Knott 51:31 or Dr. Ranko Stefanovic. 51:33 And here is the information that you need. 51:35 Right after this, 51:36 we're gonna a take a short break 51:37 and we'll be back for a few closing thoughts. 51:42 Andrews University Press 51:44 has the goal of publishing literature 51:46 that will help students 51:47 and members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 51:49 in their walk with Jesus Christ. 51:51 If you would like to find out more about their publications, 51:54 visit their website, UniversityPress.Andrews.edu. 51:59 That's UniversityPress.Andrews.edu. 52:04 You may also call them at area code (269) 471-6915. 52:10 If you prefer, you may also write to them 52:12 at Andrews University Press, 8360, 52:16 West Campus Drive, Berrien Springs, 52:18 Michigan 49104 |
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