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Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY190021A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 - Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today 01:11 program. We are so glad that you have 01:14 joined us. Why is that? Well, for one thing, you're 01:16 our friends and our family, and we just want to say 01:19 thank you for your support and prayers 01:21 for the ministry of 3ABN. It's making a difference 01:24 around the world, and that's an incredible thing 01:27 to think about-technology and how it spreads. A long 01:30 time ago, or over 30 years ago when God 01:33 gave Danny the impression to build a station that 01:36 would reach the world for Jesus Christ and 01:37 spread the gospel around the world, it is mainly by 01:39 satellite. Now, we have our cell phones, which- 01:42 good for me! I don't have my cell phone 01:43 with me today. It's supposed to be off 01:45 the set. Do you have yours? - Mine's here. - Good for you. 01:47 [laughter] Anyway, you can watch 3ABN on your cell phones. 01:50 It's 24 hours a day over the radio, over the internet... 01:54 It's really incredible. Even while we sleep 01:55 at night, the gospel is being spread around 01:59 the world, so we want to again just say thank 02:01 you for that, and thank you for being our family, 02:02 too. Because without you, 3ABN wouldn't 02:05 be here. And of course, we're always, always 02:07 so thankful for you. Today, we're talking 02:08 about SALT. And to be honest with you, I like 02:13 SALT, as in SALT from the shaker. - He does. - I- 02:16 you know, people say, "in moderation," right? 02:19 So, you're supposed to have it in moderation. 02:20 I do like salt, but we're not talking 02:21 about salt... - No. - ...that's going on 02:23 food. This is an incredible ministry, and we're excited, 02:26 'cause we have some long-time friends with 02:28 us, as well; plus, we've just met some new friends. 02:31 - Thank you for saying long-time friends. I 02:33 really- that really makes me feel young still, so you 02:36 did a very good job, sweetheart. - You know, 02:37 a lot of times, we tend to say "old friends," 02:39 and then what does that make us? I guess that 02:40 makes us old, too, so long-term sounds a 02:43 little better. - I love the Today program, 02:45 because we get to feature ministries. 02:46 We get to share with you at home what God 02:49 is doing in and around the world, and this 02:53 ministry is no exception. SALT, which stands for 02:56 Soul Winning and Leadership Training... - It's an acronym. 02:59 - And we - it's an acronym; that's right - and we want 03:01 to introduce them to you at this time. Right 03:04 on this side is Pastor Douglas Na'a, and 03:07 this is one of the long-term friends, we 03:09 could say. We went to school together 20 years 03:11 ago! - Yeah, I have a lot of fond memories. 03:13 - Yeah. You know, it's interesting, 'cause 03:15 just before we went on the program, we were 03:16 talking about how we were in the dorm together. - Yes! 03:19 - Whoever would've thought?...It's been 03:21 years ago now, right? We're not old! Okay, it 03:23 must've been a long time ago. - That's right. 03:25 - We were in the dorm together, and then here 03:27 we are, sitting on the set. It's incredible. - And you 03:30 are the director of SALT. - So, I direct the SALT 03:32 program - the Soul Winning and Leadership Training program 03:35 which runs from August to December on the campus 03:37 of Southern Adventist University. Wonderful 03:39 program; great partnership between It Is Written and 03:44 the School of Religion of Southern Adventist University. 03:46 So, it's my privilege to direct the program. 03:49 - Amen. - Glad you're here. 03:51 - Absolutely excited to have you here. 03:53 And sitting next to you is another long-term 03:55 friend and your wife, especially: this is Dr. 03:58 Alan Parker. You're a professor of religion 04:00 at Southern Adventist University, and it's a 04:02 joy to have you here. - Well, that's right- 04:04 I'm glad to be here; and my wife would 04:06 have loved to have been here. She knows both of you 04:09 for a while, now. [laughter] - That's good, too; I like 04:12 that! - And if you detect an accent on this side, that's 04:16 'cause we're mixing in New Zealand and South African. 04:19 So, that's part of what you get when you come 04:20 to Southern Adventist University; there's a lot 04:22 of different accents. You know, and some 04:24 people may remember you, also, 'cause you were in 04:26 charge of AFCOE, correct? Or at Amazing Facts. - So, 04:30 when I was at Amazing Facts, I was the director 04:32 of the College of Evangelism- the end of the evangelism 04:35 program in general-moved to Southern, and I had a 04:38 student who said, "Man, we'd love to do something 04:40 like that here," and that was the beginning 04:42 of doing the SALT program at Southern. - And how many 04:46 years ago was that? I know we're going to get 04:47 into this a little deeper; but how many years ago 04:49 was that? - 2011 was when we began. It was 04:52 just incredible, because John Bradshaw was actually 04:53 coming through. We just had a tornado, and that 04:56 tornado had come through, and John Bradshaw was 04:58 coming in to interview some people who had 05:00 survived the tornado. And he said, "Hey, 05:03 you want to stop by for breakfast?" And over 05:04 breakfast, we talked about SALT, and he said, "Why 05:07 don't we do a partnership?" And that's how it began. 05:09 - Oh, wow. - You know, it's really neat to see 05:11 what God does, you know? It was just over breakfast, 05:14 and then look where SALT is now. I know we're going 05:16 to get some more details, and it's really exciting 05:18 what God is doing. - It is! What year did you come to 05:19 Southern? - So, 2007. - 2007... And what classes 05:23 do you teach there? - So I teach Christian spirituality, 05:27 I will teach church ministry for theology students, I teach 05:30 life and teachings of Jesus, some evangelism classes... 05:34 So, it's just a variety. - Amen. - You're busy. 05:36 - It does keep me busy. - Absolutely. And I know 05:38 your wife, Nicole. If you watch 3ABN at all, 05:41 you might have seen her. She's on A Multitude of 05:43 Counselors and does an incredible job. She has 05:47 a heart for people and a heart for ministry, 05:49 and you have several kids at home, too. - Yes, four 05:52 kids. We just adopted a child from Ukraine; 05:56 he's 16, and then we have three biological 05:59 kids. - Amen. - So, it's very loud and very exciting 06:01 at home. [laughter] - And before we get to the rest 06:04 of our guests, Pastor Doug, tell us about your 06:07 wife and family, too; we missed that at the 06:09 beginning. - Yeah, so I'm married to my beautiful 06:11 wife, Meliana Na'a, and we'll be married 14 years 06:15 now. - Yay. - Congratulations. - Yeah. We married in Auckland, 06:18 New Zealand. And right after we got married, 06:21 then we came over to Andrews University into 06:25 the seminary. And ever since then, we pastored 06:28 in different conferences, and now got the call to... 06:32 - ...be the director... - ...be the director for the 06:34 SALT program. - Amen. And have you been there 06:36 since 2011 when they began, or no? When did 06:38 you start there? - No, it's been going on two 06:39 years now since I've been there. - Amen. Okay. And 06:43 then we have Jeremy Clark sitting next to Dr. Parker. 06:46 You graduated from SALT just recently! - Yeah, in 06:50 2018. What a blessed experience it was to be 06:55 able to attend. - Amen. - Well, we're excited to 06:57 get into your story and your experience at SALT. 07:01 So, tell us about your family, too, since we're 07:03 talking about families. So, you're married. 07:04 - I'm married - 22 years. - Congratulations! - I have 07:08 four. We've got a 7-year-old, a 14-year-old, a 19-year-old, 07:15 and a 22-year-old. So, across the gamut there. 07:19 - Yeah. [laughter] For sure. And what do you call home? 07:21 - Right now, we are living in a little town near Mountain 07:26 Grove, Missouri, and we are potentially moving 07:30 to Indianapolis. - Wow. That's neat. - We can't 07:34 wait to hear why God brought you to SALT 07:37 and what happened, your experiences there, and then 07:40 what God's doing in your life now. But before we 07:42 get to all of that, we have one more guest to 07:44 introduce. This is Elizabeth Rivas. - Yes! - And you 07:48 graduated from SALT just recently, as well? - Yes! 07:50 Same class as Jeremy, so 2018. I was so lucky 07:54 that God brought me around to the SALT program, 'cause 07:59 I was... No, there was no- I had no idea I was 08:02 going to do that, but He worked it out for 08:04 us, so... - Amen. And where is home for you? 08:06 - Chattanooga; in Chattanooga, Tennessee right now. - So, 08:09 you didn't have to go far to go to school? - Not too 08:10 far, no. [laughter] - That's nice. Not much 08:14 of a travel, for sure, to get to class and stuff. 08:16 That's great. Yeah, we're looking forward to getting 08:17 to the stories. There's a scripture that we wanted 08:19 that goes right along with... - Yes! Thank you. - I'm gonna 08:21 guess. Don't you- it probably has something 08:23 to do with salt. - It has something to do with salt. 08:25 We're going to look at Matthew chapter 5 verse 08:28 13 - part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. This is just 08:30 after all the Beatitudes. Then, He says, "You are 08:33 the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its 08:36 flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then 08:39 good for nothing but to be thrown out and 08:41 trampled underfoot by men." Why did you pick that scripture? 08:46 Of course, it says, "You are the salt of the earth," 08:48 but...any specific reason? - You know, one of the great 08:50 things about that scripture is it tells you what to do and 08:54 what not to do. So, it tells you that God has 08:57 to transform your life so that you can be salt. 08:59 But if you don't let that transformation take place, 09:02 you're going to be good for nothing, you know? 09:05 And I think so many of us have had an experience 09:07 with Jesus, but we've lost that. And when we 09:10 do evangelism and witnessing, that experience comes back. 09:13 That's how we get our seasoning back. So, we 09:15 don't want to be good for nothing; we want 09:17 to be good for something. - Amen. So, take us back 09:19 to the story behind the birth of SALT. I know 09:22 you said over breakfast, you were with Pastor 09:24 John Bradshaw, and it was kind of born from 09:26 that; but there must have been a reason or 09:28 a... Did you see a need for more soul-winning 09:31 evangelism, or...? What was the purpose? - Yes; 09:34 so as we were sitting down together, we sort 09:37 of shared a dream that anyone could do evangelism 09:40 training, and we said, "How could that happen?" 09:44 We looked at the beautiful campus of Southern, and we 09:47 said, "It'd be great if it could happen right 09:48 here. You've got a school of religion that's very 09:51 dedicated to the Bible, that's dedicated to the 09:53 mission of the Bible, and then you have this 09:56 evangelistic fervor and passion of It Is Written. 09:59 What would happen if we combined those two and 10:01 that you could get people from the ages of 17 to 10:04 77, coming together?" Get credits for it if they want 10:09 them, or just come and attend the program. There's nothing 10:13 like that out there, so we said, "If we could 10:14 create a program that would bring together the 10:17 deep theology with the evangelistic experience, 10:20 and then make it for everyone? Then, there'd 10:23 be no excuse for somebody not to get trained," and that 10:25 was our goal. - Mm, wow. So you said from 17 to 77. 10:30 [laughter] So in other words, that's basically 10:33 almost all ages then! 'Cause some people, 10:35 I think, you know, at home, they could be 10:37 tuning in right today and saying, "Oh, that's... I'm 10:40 way too old to be able to do that. That's all 10:43 for the young folk," but you're saying no. - No. 10:45 - Definitely not. We've actually had people take 10:48 the SALT program, for example, even last year, 10:51 we had, basically, a 50-year-old, we had 10:55 some in their 40s and their 30s...in the past 10:58 two years. And so we've had a diversity of ages. 11:02 I think the assumption is that because it's 11:04 on a college campus, it's only for students- 11:07 but far from it. We've had a diversity of ages 11:10 take the SALT program. That's the wonderful thing; 11:12 it's open for all ages. Everybody needs to be 11:14 a salt of the earth. - Yeah. Wow. Yeah, 11:17 I mean that's- I think to me, that's incredible, 11:19 because a lot of times, I think we can become 11:21 discouraged and think that, "Okay, this is it; 11:24 God can't use me anymore..." But there's always hope. 11:28 So then what happens? So you realize then that 11:29 there is a need, that there's nothing out there 11:32 like this, then we can do something about it... Then 11:34 what happens? - So he said, "Let's put It Is 11:37 Written support behind it." I was able to go back to 11:40 the university with that support, and they voted 11:44 it incredibly quickly. I mean, there is some 11:46 bureaucracy at universities. - Oh, yeah! - But that 11:50 bureaucracy went through very quickly; and by that 11:52 fall, we were offering our very first program. 11:55 I had a couple of prized students of mine who 11:59 were willing to help with the program at almost 12:01 no pay just because they believed in the vision. And 12:04 once we started the program, the word got 12:06 out, and every year we've had a great class. - Amen. 12:09 So what is different about SALT than some of the other 12:12 evangelistic training programs that are 12:14 around the world? I know you mentioned one already; 12:16 that's so you can get college credit, and it's 12:18 connected with the college campus. But what else would 12:20 be different? - I think one of the things that 12:22 separate SALT is this is the only four-month Bible 12:25 training program we have left, and also the fact that 12:27 it's connected to an institution. We get so 12:31 many calls from conferences, pastors, presidents, looking 12:36 for effective Bible workers, and so even 12:39 they know- they call the SALT program, looking for Bible 12:42 work. So, I think it's the only one left here 12:45 in the North American Division, I believe. - Wow. 12:48 - So, that's a wonderful uniqueness. - And with 12:50 that, something that makes the program unique is that 12:54 you get mentoring. So, every time you go into 12:56 the field, there's somebody to work with you. When you 12:59 give a Bible study, there's someone sitting in on that 13:01 Bible study. So, you're not out there alone. 13:04 There are some online options, which is good 13:07 if that's all you can do; but this gives you the 13:10 opportunity to have somebody actually walk alongside of you. 13:13 - Amen. What would you learn if you went to SALT? 13:15 What would you learn? - We learn a lot of things, 13:17 but basically, SALT program teaches you 13:21 to know your faith, share your faith, and 13:24 defend your faith. And when we talk about 13:26 defending, we're not talking about debating people into 13:27 the faith; we're talking about answering people's 13:30 objections in a Christlike and in a winsome way. 13:33 And not only that, but the wonderful thing about 13:36 the SALT program - it combines the theoretical 13:39 and the practical. So, it's not just the- when 13:42 we talk about knowing your faith, we're not 13:43 talking about intellectual knowledge; we're talking 13:45 about experiential knowledge. And so, when the students 13:49 come and take the SALT program, they actually get 13:51 to experience Adventism. It's one thing knowing 13:54 about the three angels' messages-but have you 13:56 experienced the three angel's messages? - Wow. 13:58 - That's deep. - And so, we really want the students 14:01 to experience, and I think that's what we 14:04 need today: we need an experiential knowledge 14:06 of Jesus, not just the theoretical knowledge. 14:08 - I agree. - And so, that's one of the things that's 14:10 highly emphasized in this whole program. 14:13 I think one of the strongpoints of this whole program on top 14:17 of discipleship, the mentorship, is the fact 14:19 that it's taught by proven soul winners. You've got 14:26 John Bradshaw, you've got Eric Flickinger, you've 14:28 got? you've got the It Is Written evangelists 14:31 come in and teach the SALT program. So, it has that 14:34 elemental credibility, that these are people 14:36 who know what they're talking about. They know 14:39 soul winning like the back of their hand, and 14:41 combined with the teachers at the Southern Adventist 14:44 University - School of Religion! They're not only 14:46 academic, but they, too, have proven themselves 14:48 to be effective soul winners! And so, when 14:51 you have students come to the SALT program, you know 14:53 you're being taught by the best. - Amen. - You 14:56 know you've been taught by those who have actually 14:58 proven themselves. So, the elemental credibility's 15:02 right there. These are credible teachers that 15:04 teach in the SALT program. - So then do the students 15:06 have the opportunity of going out and conducting 15:08 Bible studies in their area? - Absolutely. 15:10 - Absolutely. In fact, a great experience took 15:14 place. I remember having students go out, and they 15:17 would- some of them say, "Hey, can you come with 15:19 me?" - Sure, a little nervous about this, 15:20 like, "Oh, I don't know." - Yeah! "What do I do?" 15:22 So one student, he says, "Look. This lady, she loves 15:26 me visiting with her, but I don't know how 15:28 spiritually interested she is." And so I said, 15:31 "Alright. Let me go along." And so he starts the Bible 15:34 study, doing a great job, and then she stops him 15:37 and says, "You know, I just don't want to be 15:40 going to church and doing some of those things." 15:42 - Okay. [laughter] - And so, he was like, deer in 15:45 the headlights; but I'm there so I just felt impressed to say, 15:49 "Well, can you tell me why?" And she says, "Because 15:51 I feel that they reject me, I don't have the 15:53 nice clothes, they look at me and I just feel the 15:57 judgmentalism." And so I said, "Well, how long 15:59 has it been since you've been in church?" And it 16:02 was like over a decade. - Mm, wow. A long time. 16:04 - And so, I was then inspired to ask her 16:07 another question. I said, "Do you feel God looks at 16:09 you the same way?" And some tears just filled her 16:13 eyes, and she said... - Great question. - "Yeah. 16:15 That's exactly how I feel." So I turned back to the 16:17 student and I say, "You know, we just learnt about 16:20 the gospel the other day in class. Would you like to 16:22 share that?" So now, they're learning something 16:24 in the classroom, but they're learning to do 16:26 it in the field. So he stumbles his way through 16:29 the gospel presentation, getting more confidence 16:31 as he goes along, and then at the end, he says, 16:34 "Would it be your desire to accept Jesus Christ?" 16:38 And she says, "Yes, I would like to do that." 16:41 And she's... Tears are coming down her face, 16:43 the student is shocked because he's never seen 16:45 this before, and we're able to have a prayer 16:48 there. And it didn't end right there, because that 16:51 Sabbath, she came to church for the first time-she was 16:54 willing to take the risk- because that wasn't really 16:56 about church. It was about God. - Right. 16:59 - And then, we had meetings at the end of that month. 17:02 By the end of those meetings, she was sealing her decision 17:06 for Jesus through baptism. So, that's why we do 17:09 something like SALT. - See, this is what's really powerful 17:11 to me is that this is real-life experience. 17:14 These are not students to students in the classroom, 17:16 doing a mock Bible study; I mean, these are real 17:19 souls that are out there. They're seeing a real 17:22 conversion like you're just sharing-I mean, 17:24 that's powerful-taking place. And to me, that's 17:28 where it can get a little addictive, in a good sense 17:30 of the word, right? [Yep.] - That's why we call it the 17:32 evangelism bug. We try to infect them with it. 17:34 - Amen! And then you have it the rest of your life. 17:36 [laughter] That's great. So, I know there's different 17:38 platforms. Tell us and unpack that for us. 17:41 - Correct. So, the SALT has three separate 17:44 platforms. The first platform is what we 17:47 want everybody to experience. It gives you the full, complete 17:51 experience; and that is our 16-week fall 17:53 program from August to December. We encourage 17:56 people to take that program. - Is that 17:58 where they actually come, then? On campus? - They 18:00 come on campus. - They stay... Would it be in the 18:01 dorms, or do they have to find housing? - There 18:03 are options available, right? - Okay. - So, younger students 18:07 tend to go in the dorms, and older students will 18:10 find housing in the community. - Okay. 18:12 Good. So that's the first platform. - That's the 18:14 first platform, man. That gives you the full, complete 18:15 experience. We realize not everybody can take 16 18:19 weeks off from their work; and we have our 18:22 second platform, and that's our one-week 18:24 summer SALT program. Sometimes- that's usually 18:27 on the campus of Southern Adventist University, but 18:29 this is where local churches get to partner with the SALT 18:33 program, where they invite the SALT program to do their 18:35 church and we do a one-week training in their church, or a 18:39 long weekend training in their church that prepares 18:41 them for an upcoming evangelistic meeting. 18:43 - You go to the churches. - So, if they cannot make it 18:44 to the SALT program, SALT program can make it 18:47 to them. - I love it. - That's how it works. 18:51 A lot of churches are in need of training, in need 18:53 of revival, in need of equipping and preparing 18:56 people to know their faith, share their faith, 18:57 and defend their faith. Then, we also have our 19:00 third platform, and that is our SALT 365. That gives... 19:06 365 just simply means it's available 365 days out of 19:10 the year, and these are resources that's available 19:13 for anybody any way, any age, no matter 19:16 where you are in this world. You can 19:17 actually take some of those resources and 19:20 train your local church with the resources that 19:23 are available. - And it's online? - And it's online. 19:25 - How much does it cost? - It's free of charge. That's 19:27 the wonderful thing about SALT 365. And so we have 19:30 those three platforms that's available for 19:32 anybody to take. - Amen! Isn't that exciting? 'Cause 19:35 God wants all of us to be involved in evangelism, 19:39 you know? The Great Commission, Matthew 19:41 28... He says, "Go ye and make disciples, and 19:44 preach the gospel to the world." So, what an 19:46 incredible ministry, training soul winners 19:50 to spread the gospel to the world. So, if you want 19:54 to get involved, if you're, say, sitting at home right 19:57 now and you're saying, "I want to come to SALT 19:59 and I want to be equipped and trained," or, "I think 20:01 SALT should come to my church and train my church," 20:05 or you want any of those resources-you all have a 20:07 website. What's that website? - Our website 20:09 is simple-it's SALT.training. You don't have to put "www" 20:13 in the front, you don't have to put a ".com," 20:14 ".org," or ".net"; it's just SALT.training, 20:17 as it is. Come onto our website, and you will 20:21 see the three platforms there. We have a 16-week 20:24 program, a one-week summer SALT program, and also our 20:28 SALT 365. You can just click on which one you 20:31 prefer to take. - And what if someone wants 20:32 to call instead of visit the website? - They can 20:35 call us; they can call directly. SALT office: 20:40 That's our number, and that'll come directly to 20:43 either myself or my outreach coordinator. - Amen! Wonderful. 20:46 Well, I know we want to hear from Jeremy and 20:49 Elizabeth, and we want to get some of your story. 20:50 So, Elizabeth! Maybe we should do ladies first. 20:52 Let's hear why did you come to SALT in the first 20:56 place? Tell us why, how you found out about it, 20:59 and why you wanted to go. - Well, I lived in the area 21:02 in Chattanooga, and my dad is actually an employee 21:05 at Southern, so I heard about this program while 21:07 I was still in high school. I was interested in it, 21:11 but I wasn't sure that I wanted to commit a full 21:14 semester of college. So I kind of put it out 21:18 of my mind for a while. It's kind of a long story, 21:22 but God kind of brought it back to me several times, 21:25 and I finally made the commitment to, "Okay, 21:27 God, I'm going to take this." And what drew 21:30 me to the program in and of itself most was 21:33 the fact that they were going to enable me to be 21:37 able to share what I believed, what I had 21:38 grown up knowing, but didn't know quite how to 21:41 share it. I had seen a lot around me: people 21:46 that call themselves Christians, but they 21:48 weren't really active. I wasn't either, and I 21:52 wanted an avenue that I could become more active. 21:55 So, that's what drew me to it. - Amen...amen. 21:59 - So, describe, then, your experience then 22:00 going then and taking this. You did the 16 22:03 weeks then-is that right?- in the fall. - Yes, I did the 22:04 16-week program. - Were you scared? I mean, did 22:07 you like knocking on doors or talking to 22:08 people or having Bible studies? Did that even 22:09 make you a little bit nervous? - That's... 22:11 Yeah! A little; we could say that. That's not my 22:14 natural comfort zone to be out there and 22:17 talking to strangers, but I did feel supported. 22:22 We went out in pairs, and my partner was 22:26 almost like a grandmother to me. I was so blessed to 22:29 have her. She was very bold in her faith, and she 22:33 was very zealous for the work. And so, that kind 22:38 of gave me courage to, you know, be able to 22:40 speak to people, as well. And when we went knocking 22:44 on doors, it was a hard process, but it was very, 22:47 very much worth it. It grew me so much. I 22:51 didn't think I could do it, but we had so much support 22:53 from mentors and from the staff. It was a really good 22:57 experience, for sure. - So when you go knocking 22:59 on doors, someone at home might say, "Well, 23:01 what does that mean? What are you saying to 23:02 them when you knock on someone's door? What 23:04 happens? - Right. - So what are you doing when 23:06 you go down the street and you knock on someone's 23:07 door? - So, we go and we approach the house, 23:10 and we try to look around- maybe see what kind of 23:14 people live in it. So like, young people or, 23:17 you know, what could we say that would appeal 23:21 to them about the Bible, right? And so, we go up 23:23 to them and we offer health services through 23:27 our church or community, as well. And then we ask 23:30 if they're interested in learning about the 23:32 Bible at all. And so, if they are, then we'll 23:36 sign them up to come back and visit them 23:38 some more-we try to make connections, 23:40 establish a relationship with them-and we come 23:43 back with our mentor, as well, and we sit down 23:47 and we have a Bible study on Daniel 2 or 23:50 whatever the topic might be. It's just a really good 23:54 experience to see the people understanding 23:57 concepts about the Bible, so it's great. - How do you 24:00 think the experience changed you?-in your 24:02 own walk with God, in your own journey-how 24:06 do you think it grew you or it changed you? - It 24:09 definitely made me more confident in what God can 24:12 do through me. I was not comfortable with giving a 24:17 Bible study. That's not something that I thought 24:20 I could do, but they really showed us the 24:24 steps to doing it, what things to look for, and 24:27 how to really make it personable. So, one 24:32 time, I went to one of the doors, and I thought 24:34 it was going to be just like all the others. They're 24:36 really...you know- sometimes they're nice, 24:38 but they're not really interested, and I just 24:41 left them with the Bible study. I was, you know- 24:43 maybe they'll read it on their own. But we 24:45 kept coming back, 'cause she was like, "Yeah, please 24:47 bring more of them." It was a young lady, 24:49 and she kept studying more. And finally, one of the times, 24:55 she's like, "Yeah, can you please sit down and explain 24:57 this to me?" So we were finally able to sit down 25:00 with this lady, and I was like, "Wow, this is 25:02 actually going somewhere." And we even got down to 25:05 the topic about the Sabbath and she was like, "Wow, so 25:08 it's really- the Sabbath is about relationships! 25:10 It's not just the law." - That's good. - Praise the 25:13 Lord. - We were able to communicate that with her, 25:15 and she was like, "Yes! I really want to follow 25:17 this; I really want to get to know God more," 25:19 and she committed to start keeping the Sabbath every 25:22 week. And that, for me, was amazing, 'cause I'd 25:26 never done anything like that before, and it's really 25:29 encouraging going forward now, as well. - Amen. - That's 25:32 a powerful experience: someone to ask- 'cause 25:35 I mean, her face just radiates, so I'm thinking, 25:39 yeah, that she's caught the evangelism bug. [laughter] 25:43 - She's infected. - So you would recommend SALT to 25:49 someone else? - I would! I would. I have recommended 25:52 it to several of my friends I think. One of my friends 25:55 are coming from California, potentially, next semester 25:57 to take it, so I definitely recommend it 100%, for 26:00 sure. - And what are you going to do, moving forward? 26:02 Are you wanting to do Bible work, or are you 26:04 wanting to u- how are you going to use this, 26:06 what you've learned, going forward? - Right. 26:08 Well, long-term, I'm just happy that I have 26:11 tools in my pocket as I'm potentially going to 26:14 be in the medical field; I'll have tools to speak 26:16 to people. But more immediately, I am- 26:19 if God continues to lead that way-I'll be going to 26:22 South America next year and just spending some 26:26 time down there doing some Bible work, as well. 26:28 - Amen. - You know, this is powerful. Before we 26:29 get to Jeremy-'cause you just touched on something 26:31 that I think is really powerful, and that is 26:33 you're thinking of going into the medical field. 26:35 So, SALT is not just for someone that's really 26:37 going to do Bible work for the rest of their 26:39 life and that is their occupation, if we want 26:41 to say; you're saying this is powerful tools 26:43 in your pocket, so to speak. - For sure; yes. 26:45 - Just unpackage that just a little bit about 26:47 what you mean by that, 'cause there's a lot of 26:49 people-young people, especially-that may be 26:50 saying, "Ah, that's not the profession or work 26:53 I want to do, so I'm not going to go to 26:55 SALT." But SALT's actually for people that are planning 26:57 just taking, what, a semester out? Get 26:59 some great too-. - Yeah... yeah. And that's another 27:03 thing that I'm really so thankful that I 27:05 could receive college credit for, so I wasn't 27:07 necessarily taking time off of school. You know, 27:11 I was filling up my religion requirements, 27:13 my elective requirements, and at the same time, I 27:17 was being able to have this time to learn about 27:19 how to share my faith within my major-within 27:22 what I was already wanting to do, so it's a great match. 27:26 It's not a waste of time at all. - Amen. - I like how 27:30 you set that up. Go ahead, Dr. Parker. - Yeah. It's 27:32 something that we might call evangeliving rather 27:35 than evangelism, because it's something that you do 27:38 as part of your profession, no matter what you do. 27:41 - Wow. - That's powerful. - That's good. I like that. 27:44 - Let's go to Jeremy and hear your story. 27:46 Now, you- you're married, you got four kids... This is 27:49 a different story than someone who's just in 27:50 college, so tell us what led you-what drew you 27:54 to SALT? - Well, we had already been doing some 27:58 evangelism in our local church, and it just- 28:02 it wasn't as successful as we would've hoped it 28:05 would be, and so we were at an Iowa camp meeting, 28:09 and Pastor Na'a came and he was the guest 28:11 speaker. He was having some classes on evangelism, so my 28:14 wife and I attended. While we were going 28:18 through the classes, Pastor Na'a said something that 28:22 resonated with us. He said, "In warfare, the 28:26 battle is always won on the ground." And so, 28:29 my wife and I kind of looked at each other, 28:31 and we were talking without talking, and we knew that we 28:35 had been going about evangelism the wrong 28:37 way. - Wow. - So, the Lord just put a conviction on my 28:40 heart to go and to learn how to do this. So a long 28:45 story short, God just made the way possible. 28:48 We were able to leave everything behind. My 28:52 wife held the fort for me, and we went down 28:54 to SALT and really learned a lot more than we realized 28:59 we were signing up for in the beginning. - And 29:02 what would that be? You said you learned a lot more- 29:04 - Well, so, I went for evangelism. That's 29:05 why I went. Knocking on doors was the last 29:09 thing that I was thinking of. [laughter] I really 29:14 didn't realize at that moment that it was 29:16 going to be such an intensive part of the 29:18 curriculum. You meet a lot of folks, and you 29:24 get over that nervousness of, "I can't do this." You can! 29:28 It's so easy; SALT makes it easy. They train you how 29:31 to do this, and so you're able to go out and make 29:34 relationships with folks. You know, I had a situation 29:37 where we met a young lady who accepted us 29:43 into her home, but she was battling with drugs. 29:46 She had lost her children, and she was losing the fight. 29:52 So, she was desperately searching for the Lord, 29:57 but she didn't know how to reach Him. So she 30:00 invited us into her home, and we were able to meet 30:02 with her. And after several lessons of 30:05 sitting down together, there was this moment 30:08 where just the look in her eyes changed, and 30:12 she realized..."Jesus loves me." - Yeah. 30:16 - "As far as I've fallen and I've lost everything, 30:20 and..." And she was just able to realize that even 30:24 in that state, God loved her. I was hooked. That 30:27 was it, and so I realized right then and there that 30:32 the Lord was kind of calling me more to just evangelism 30:37 itself, not that there's anything wrong with it. 30:39 You gotta have a harvest event, but there's so much 30:43 that goes into that that we don't see. - Can I 30:46 stop you for one second? You said, "I was hooked." 30:48 Was that the first time you had ever experienced 30:51 the Holy Spirit working on someone else's heart 30:54 like that? - Yes-the first time I had seen it 30:56 in anyone's life outside of my family's. You know, 30:59 my family and I, we have plenty of testimonies to 31:02 share on how God has delivered us-transformed 31:05 us-but that was the first time I had ever seen the 31:08 Holy Spirit at work through me to touch someone else. 31:13 - What did that feel like? - It's... Words can't explain. 31:21 - Yeah, I think that's powerful, and you realize 31:23 that God can use us as weak human beings to 31:26 touch someone's life. And the thing is, it's 31:29 not just temporal; we're talking eternity here. 31:31 I mean, that's... Yeah. That's powerful. So, I 31:35 can see your face, too- yours also radiates... 31:37 Yeah, emotion is deep there. That...yeah. 31:42 - It's an emotional experience! - Yeah. 31:44 - But you would recommend SALT to someone else? - Well, 31:46 it's funny you say that. I'm actually sending my 31:48 daughter next semester. [laughter] - I think that 31:51 hits close to home! - So, yeah; I would 31:54 recommend it to anyone. And we witness so many 31:57 young men and women, just living the experience 32:03 and realizing why they believe the way they 32:08 believe and being able to put their fingerprint 32:11 on that. There was a lot of testimonies just 32:14 in the classroom, which was wonderful to be a 32:17 part of. - 'Cause that encourages everybody 32:19 when things are being shared within the classroom, too! 32:21 - Oh, yeah. It definitely inspires people. - Yeah. 32:24 - So what are you doing in moving forward now? 32:26 - Well, we went home. SALT teaches you how 32:30 to kind of bring evangelism to the church, and it gives 32:36 you the tools to do that. So, we went home and 32:38 presented to the church our plan for evangelism. 32:40 It Is Written- one of the great things about the 32:43 partnership is they offer something called a Mega 32:45 Mailer. And so, our church piggybacked with It Is 32:50 Written and partnered with them, and we sent 32:52 a Mega Mailer. Now, we live in a very small community, 32:55 so it was roughly 1,800 mailers went out, and 32:58 we had 19 folks. - Oh. That's a huge percentage. 33:01 - ...that they would like us to come and give them 33:04 Bible studies. And so, my church is doing that 33:07 right now. And in the process of that, we 33:10 actually got a call from the Indianapolis Conference. It 33:15 Is Written is doing a 2020 campaign there, 33:17 and we have an opportunity to come up there and do Bible 33:20 work. - Amen! - The Lord has just continued to bless 33:23 us. - Amen... - It's encouraging, isn't it? 33:26 - Yes. - I mean, you think about this: over breakfast 33:29 a number of years ago, the idea of SALT started to formulate. 33:33 - And all the people's lives who are being changed as a result! 33:36 - What does that do to you?- I mean, to hear these testimonies. 33:38 - It makes me emotional, too, because I think it's 33:42 one thing to catch fish... It's another thing to have 33:44 a school to train fishermen. And so, to see each one of 33:48 their lives as they unfold... I mean, I don't know what 33:51 eternity's going to be like, but this is amazing. - Amen. 33:54 - Well, we have some more guests we want 33:56 to bring on right now. We're going to trade out 33:58 Jeremy and Elizabeth during the song, but 34:02 right now we're going to go to a song. This is a 34:04 perfect song to go with what we're talking about- 34:07 "I Will Serve Thee." This is by our good 34:10 friends, Reggie and Ladye Love Smith. 34:27 I will serve Thee because I love Thee 34:39 You have given life to me 34:50 I was nothing before you found me 35:02 You have given life to me 35:14 Heartaches broken pieces 35:25 Ruined lives are why 35:30 You died on Calvary 35:38 Your touch is what I longed for 35:49 You have given life to me 36:01 I will serve Thee because I love Thee 36:13 You have given life to me 36:26 I was nothing before you found me 36:38 You have given life to me 36:54 Heartaches broken pieces 37:06 Ruined lives are why 37:11 You died on Calvary 37:19 Your touch was what I longed for 37:31 You have given life to me 37:44 You have given life 37:55 To me 38:18 - Wow, amen. Thank you, Reggie and Ladye Love. 38:20 That is a powerful song- "I Will Serve Thee." How 38:23 fitting, just as you mentioned before we went to the song. 38:25 God wants all of us to be vessels that He can use. 38:28 And no matter what place you are in life, however old 38:32 or however young you are, wherever you live in this 38:35 world, we can all spread God's gospel around the 38:38 world. Well, you mentioned we're switching out with 38:41 some of our guests that we have here; but in case 38:42 you're just joining us, we're talking about SALT- 38:44 and that's not salt you put on your food, but 38:47 it's about SALT... I'll let you explain what 38:49 it is, but we have Pastor Na'a with us. 38:51 You're the director of SALT. - Yes. - And then 38:54 we have Dr. Parker. You're professor at 38:56 Southern Adventist University of Religion; you're professor 38:59 there. So tell us, again, what SALT is in case 39:01 someone is just joining us-what SALT stands 39:03 for. - SALT stands for Soul Winning and Leadership 39:06 Training. It is the It Is Written school of 39:09 evangelism in partnership with the school of religion 39:12 of Southern Adventist University. It's a wonderful 39:15 program that prepares people, teaches and 39:18 equips people to be effective soul winners. 39:20 Not only that, but it teaches people to know 39:22 their faith, experience it, share it, live it, 39:25 and defend their faith. - Amen. - Very practical, 39:29 isn't it? - Yes. - It is. So you take what 39:32 you learn in the classroom and you go and you put it 39:34 into practice in the field with real people. - That's 39:37 incredible. We want to put up your contact 39:40 information. We've been talking about this wonderful 39:42 soul-winning evangelism training center-as you 39:46 said, evangeliving- which is powerful, 39:50 because God calls us to a lifestyle of evangelism. 39:53 So if you want to contact SALT, what's your website 39:56 again? - Our website is simple; it's just soul.training. You 40:00 don't have to put a ".com" or ".org" at the end of it, 40:02 or "www"; it's just simple. So, it's just salt.training, 40:06 and that'll take you to the website. And there, 40:09 you will have all of the information you need to 40:11 take the SALT program, partner with the SALT 40:14 program, and also be equipped by the SALT 40:16 program. - Amen. - And the phone number. - The 40:18 phone number is (423) 236-2036, 40:22 and that'll come directly to our SALT office. - Let's 40:25 repeat that number one more time. - (423) 236-2036. 40:30 - Wonderful; okay. Well, we switched out some- 40:33 we did some musical chairs here during the song, so 40:36 instead of Elizabeth and Jeremy, we have two 40:38 new guests who are going to tell us about their experience 40:41 in the SALT program. We have Leah Crosby. 40:45 And Leah, we're so glad to have you here. - Thank 40:48 you! I'm glad to be here. - And sitting next to you 40:51 is Milika. - Hi. - Milika... Saafi? - Yes. - And we're 40:56 so glad to have you here, as well, Milika. - Thank you 40:58 for having me here. - And so, let's hear a little bit 41:01 about both of your stories. We'll start with you, Leah. 41:04 Tell us what led you and what drew you to the SALT 41:06 program-and how long ago did you go? - So, I 41:09 went through the SALT program in 2013. I had 41:13 been doing Bible work over the- not Bible 41:15 work- canvassing over the summer! And we would 41:22 offer for those who we would sell books to 41:26 sign up for Bible studies. And I thought, "Well, 41:29 wouldn't it be neat if I could go back and 41:30 actually give Bible studies to some of these types of 41:32 people?" I had heard about SALT, I think, it 41:36 was through the website or something, 'cause it 41:39 had just started a couple years prior. And then, in 41:44 my devotions, I was reading about how students should 41:47 learn more about the Bible. And I was like, 41:50 "Where could I go to learn about the Bible, 41:52 like, as your textbook?" And my mom was like, 41:55 "What about SALT?" So I applied, I think, just 41:59 a month or so before it started. - Mm, wow. And 42:03 then they accepted you, and then you attended. 42:04 So you took the 16-week program that we were 42:06 talking about; is that right? - Correct. - Wonderful. 42:08 - And what was the program like for you? What was your 42:10 experience? - For me, what I really liked about 42:14 it... I had been raised a Seventh-day Adventist 42:17 Christian, but sometimes I feel like it's almost 42:20 assumed that you know things...but you may not 42:24 REALLY know them. And so, I felt like I really 42:27 knew why I was an Adventist, why I was 42:30 a Christian, and it wasn't just, "Okay, 42:34 this is what we believe"; it was more of a connection 42:39 of the gospel and the truth. It wasn't just 42:43 theology; it was alive. I even considered getting 42:47 rebaptized because it really just touched me 42:49 in a way that those doctrines hadn't touched 42:52 me in the past. - Amen. So not only learning 42:55 what we believe as Seventh-day Adventist 42:56 Christians and learning the Sabbath, as we would 42:58 say, and the state of the dead, and the soon 43:00 return of Jesus...you learned about Jesus, as 43:03 well, and the combination of Jesus with the doctrine. 43:07 - Mhm. - So then, you went out in the field. 43:12 So, you did some canvassing during the summer, so that's 43:15 knocking on doors. Did you kind of get over 43:16 that fear of going and doing Bible studies now 43:19 as you're into the curriculum? - Yeah, 43:22 that wasn't a fear for me. - Good for you! - I learned 43:25 to work with other people when I found out who my 43:28 outreach partner was. I was like, "Will that 43:30 work!?" So, I learned more how to work with other 43:32 people. That was, probably, the biggest practical side 43:37 of things. - Oh, that's good! - So then now, 43:39 what are you doing now? 'Cause you've taken this, 43:40 you said this has been a few years ago, and so 43:43 did you continue on, or what is your career? 43:45 What are you doing? - So, yeah. SALT just totally 43:48 turned my life around. I wasn't sure exactly 43:53 what direction I was going. I had been doing 43:55 elementary ed; and then after going through the 43:59 SALT program, I just fell in love with teaching other 44:02 people the Bible and about Jesus. And towards the end 44:06 of the program, they had someone there 44:08 recruiting to work as a Bible worker during the 44:11 next summer. So I interviewed and I 44:16 got the job just immediately, and I felt so shocked and 44:21 honored that God would choose me. It's just been 44:24 one thing after the other; I never went very long 44:28 without an opportunity. So, that was just my 44:31 biggest takeaway that God can actually use me- 44:34 that He has a plan for my life! Like I may have 44:36 had it all planned out, like, "This is the way 44:38 I'm going," but God's plans are always better. 44:42 - Amen. That's powerful. So you've been doing 44:44 Bible work in different areas since then. - Correct. 44:47 - Amen! That's exciting. Well, let's hear a little 44:49 bit of Malika and your story. - Well, how I came 44:54 to SALT: Pastor Douglas Na'a came to one of our 44:58 camps-our church camps- and when I looked at it, 45:03 I was like, "Oh, okay, this seems good," but 45:05 even before Doug came, even before Pastor Na'a 45:10 came, I was kind of giving out literature, but I wasn't 45:15 able to approach people. So, I was actually just 45:17 putting it on their cars. So... - So in other 45:21 words, you didn't really want to talk to someone 45:22 and hand them the pieces, just like, "Oh, there's 45:24 nobody there, so let me just put it there." 45:26 - Yeah. - Okay. So this is like a little Bible study 45:29 card or something, or a piece of literature? - It 45:31 was like GLOW tracts. - GLOW tract! Okay. 45:34 - So, I was too scared to give it to them. But 45:38 when Doug came, he put up a booth at our church 45:41 camp. And when I looked at what they offered, 45:45 I was like, "Hm, this is pretty interesting." So 45:48 I signed up, thinking that they'll probably just send 45:50 me newsletters and just updates on the SALT 45:53 program. So, the next week, Doug called and 45:58 he asked whether I was interested in joining the 46:03 SALT program, and I said, "Yeah, but maybe next 46:06 year, not this fall," which was last year. 46:09 But after the phone call, it didn't settle well with 46:13 me; so I had to pray about it, and I was 46:16 strongly impressed to attend SALT last year. 46:23 - Wow. - So, they brought me to SALT, so I packed 46:26 my bags from California and drove all the way to 46:28 Tennessee. - Wow, drove all the way...yeah. - That's 46:31 a little drive! [laughter] ...All the way across the 46:34 country. - So what did it do for you? How did it 46:38 change your life? - Well, now, I'm able to share 46:41 my faith with others, and not just giving 46:45 GLOW tracts, putting GLOW tracts on their 46:47 cars; I'm able to share with others, like pass 46:51 GLOW tracts out with others. I'm more confident 46:54 now to share my faith- to tell others what Jesus 46:58 has done for me, so... And I'm able to use the 47:02 tools that were taught in SALT, and I'm able to 47:10 apply those tools to what I'm doing now. 47:13 - Wow. - So tell me, you were afraid to 47:16 talk to someone; you'd just leave a GLOW tract 47:17 on someone's hood of their car. So what was your first 47:21 experience like? The first time you knocked on a 47:24 door. Do you remember that-what that's like? 47:26 - Okay, it's funny you tell me that. The first 47:29 time I knocked on someone's door... Well, actually, our 47:34 first class, we approached- me and my canvassing partner 47:38 (who was Destiny)-we approached the store, 47:40 and she told me, "Look up; look up!" So I looked 47:44 up, and there was a nest of wasps. - Oh, dear. - But 47:49 I was impressed to just knock on their door. We 47:52 weren't going to leave that house. So, I knocked 47:55 on the door, and straight away, one of the wasps 47:57 came and stung me on my lip. - On your lip?! 48:01 - That was your first experience. - That was 48:03 my first experience that I'll never forget. And so, 48:07 what was funny...we decided to continue. 48:12 And what's funny about it is, every time I'd stay 48:17 quiet, it was sore-like, it was throbbing. But 48:23 every time we'd go door to door, it just- it was 48:28 just soothing though it was sore when I was quiet. 48:34 But every time I tell people, "Hey, you know, 48:37 you want Bible study?", it was just soothing, so... 48:41 - God performed a miracle and took the pain while 48:44 you were at the door talking with people. - Yes. 48:47 - That's amazing. - I find it interesting, actually, 48:49 that the wasp stung you on your lip. It could've 48:51 been your arm or anything else, but that's what we 48:53 use-our mouth-to talk. - To share Jesus. - That's 48:56 Satan trying to- but you said, "No, Satan! 48:58 Yes, I'm going forward anyway!" [laughter] 49:02 - Wow. So what are you doing now, then, with 49:04 the training that you received in your work 49:06 or what you're doing now currently? - Yep. So right 49:08 now, I'm doing Bible work in Page, Arizona, 49:12 ministering to the Navajos. - Wow. - Amen. - Fantastic. 49:19 You know, I think what's really incredible is that 49:20 you get people from many different...where they're 49:23 at in their life. Like you mentioned, from 17 to 49:26 77? I know you just used that as an interesting 49:28 age range there... But still, it's neat to see 49:31 what God is doing, and He can use anybody, 49:33 no matter what we're doing, so long as we're 49:35 a willing vessel to be used of God. - Amen. 49:38 Amen. - Does... Oh, go ahead. - You don't always 49:40 see the results of it right away, either. I 49:43 just think back to an experience where a 49:46 SALT student- two SALT students went up, knocked 49:49 on a door, and the lady invited them in and said, 49:52 "I just want to know something. Are you 49:54 Seventh-day Adventists?" And they were like, "What 49:57 do we say here, because if they're prejudiced or 49:59 not...?" So finally, they kind of meekly 50:01 nod. "Well, we are Seventh-day Adventist 50:03 Christians." And she said, "Well, good, 'cause I 50:05 wouldn't study the Bible with anyone else." Two 50:08 years beforehand, SALT students had studied 50:11 the Bible with her, lost contact... She had moved 50:15 away; no one knew where she was. And now, they 50:18 knocked on her door again, and she invited them in 50:20 and she got so excited, started studying the Bible 50:23 with him, her neighbor started studying the 50:26 Bible... Again, we had meetings, and both of 50:28 them were baptized at the end of the meetings... 50:30 ...two years after the initial contact. - Yeah. 50:32 - So at the end of the 16 weeks, is there always 50:35 an evangelistic series like you're mentioning? 50:37 - Yes. - There is! Okay, and it's being... I mean, 50:40 who are the evangelists? Are they some of the 50:41 students, or one of the professors? - Typically, 50:44 it'll be like Pastor Na'a will preach, or we'll 50:47 bring in an evangelist. Students will get involved 50:50 in presenting other things, but the meetings will be 50:53 held by professional evangelists. - Okay. 50:55 And then the follow-up, is that done by some of 50:56 the SALT students? - The wonderful thing is that 50:58 part of the SALT program is partnering with a local 51:02 church, so that the students get to see the whole experience- 51:06 the whole process of evangelism. So like right 51:09 now, we are gearing up our next church for our 51:11 upcoming evangelistic meetings this November. 51:14 And so, part of the training-or that church-is transitioning 51:18 contacts over to the local members. So, there's a 51:22 sense of ownership by the local church members 51:25 off this program. And so once the SALT program 51:28 leaves, it transitions out to the next church. 51:31 The local members are actually following up 51:34 with many of these wonderful people that have just been 51:37 baptized. - Amen! We want to put up the 51:39 contact information one more time before we go 51:42 to the news break here, and then we'll come back 51:44 for some closing thoughts. It's been an exciting program. 51:46 - It has. - It inspires me to want to get 51:50 involved in evangelism! If you want to contact 51:53 the SALT ministry, just go to their website: 51:57 That's all you need to put in. Type in: 52:01 And you'll see the three-pronged approach 52:03 or the three platforms that they have that you 52:06 can attend; the four-month evangelism training... 52:09 You can invite the SALT brethren to your church, 52:13 and they can teach you how to do evangelism 52:16 in your local area! Or, you can just look at 52:18 SALT 365 and you can see resources and learn 52:22 how to do evangelism at home and abroad, so we're 52:25 going to go to a news break- we'll be right back. |
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