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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello, and welcome to another 3ABN Today program. 01:13 I'm Jill Morikone and we are so glad 01:15 that you have taken time from your day 01:17 to join us here at 3ABN. 01:19 I love the Today program. 01:21 Because we get to feature ministries, 01:23 we get to feature people whose lives have been changed 01:26 by the Lord Jesus Christ. 01:28 And today is no exception. 01:30 Before I introduce our guest, who is no guest, 01:33 she is family, part of the 3ABN family 01:36 but before I introduce her, just want to thank you 01:39 at home for your love, and your prayers, 01:42 and financial support of the ministry of 3ABN 01:45 because of you, 01:47 we can do programs like we're going to do today, 01:49 which is really raising awareness about a topic 01:54 that sometimes is misunderstood, 01:57 even by Christians 01:58 or Seventh-day Adventists Christians 02:00 or people in any denomination. 02:02 So I am so excited about this topic, 02:05 and about the journey that we're going to hear today 02:08 from our special guest, who is none other than 02:11 Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton, my sis. 02:14 I'm so glad that you are here. 02:16 Oh, thank you, so good to be here. 02:18 And I know you're always here. 02:20 So it's a little strange for me 02:21 to be sitting here hosting, you sitting there. 02:23 I know. 02:24 I know we do programs together, 02:25 but you are the founder 02:27 and consultant for 3ABN Dare to Dream 02:29 and you did an incredible job 02:31 with and are doing an incredible job 02:33 with Dare to Dream. 02:34 Praise the Lord. 02:36 It's been my privilege to be a part of this ministry, 02:39 3 ABN Dare to Dream. 02:43 What an amazing way to have come here, 02:45 and what an amazing journey, 02:47 and what an amazing privilege to be working here 02:51 in the last days of earth's history, 02:54 getting the gospel out to the world 02:56 and bringing the truth to the world. 03:00 It's such, you know, 03:01 it's counteracting the counterfeit. 03:03 And that's what we're here to do. 03:04 Amen. 03:06 So today, we're going to get 03:07 just a little bit of Yvonne's journey 03:09 but not only that, 03:10 her journey specifically regarding 03:12 traditional Chinese medicine and the dangers of acupuncture. 03:16 So before we really jump in, I know we're going to go 03:18 to a song and all that. 03:20 But before we jump in, 03:21 why did you want to do this program? 03:23 What made you want to even address this topic? 03:26 You know, Jill, there are so many people, 03:28 I get calls all the time about, and emails about 03:32 "Should I go see an acupuncturist? 03:34 Or I've been seeing an acupuncturist, 03:36 is that wrong?" 03:38 And I feel like God allowed me to have the journey that I had, 03:42 so that I could explain why we should stay away 03:46 from acupuncture. 03:47 And that's what 03:49 we're going to be talking about. 03:50 It's my desire to really share 03:54 the dangers of acupuncture 03:57 and traditional Chinese medicine. 03:58 Without, you know, I have some wonderful friends 04:04 that I practiced with, and that were in school with me 04:10 and patients too. 04:11 And I feel like 04:13 I really have to get this word out to them, 04:16 as well as to people who would 04:18 go and see an acupuncturist, 04:20 that they're really experimenting 04:22 with something dangerous. 04:23 Absolutely. 04:25 And you can share where I could just say, 04:26 well, I read about it, and I heard it's dangerous, 04:29 but you share from personal experience, 04:30 and it makes a big difference. 04:32 Well, I'm excited to hear more of your journey, 04:34 because I've heard some of it 04:35 but I haven't even heard all of it, 04:37 so I'm excited to hear more 04:38 and to share that with you at home, 04:40 and the dangers as you said of acupuncture. 04:43 But before we do that, a friend of the ministry, 04:45 Kendol Bacchus, we met him a few years ago, 04:48 at least I did when we went to London, 04:50 and he's an incredible pianist. 04:52 And he will be ministering a song, 04:54 Divine Redeemer. 09:27 Amen. 09:29 Thank you so much, Kendol, we are so grateful 09:31 that the Lord is our Redeemer. 09:34 If you're just joining us, 09:35 our special guest and family member today 09:38 is Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton, my sister. 09:41 Yeah. 09:42 And we're going to talk today about your journey, 09:44 and then about the dangers of acupuncture 09:47 and traditional Chinese medicine. 09:49 So take us back. 09:50 Why were you first interested 09:52 in traditional Chinese medicine? 09:54 Wow, well, I'll take you back even further to... 10:00 Okay, so today, I'm going to be really transparent, 10:02 because I think that there are several people 10:06 who deal with the same issues, 10:08 and they can be helped by my testimony. 10:11 Absolutely. 10:12 So I'm going to take you back to my 20s and in my 20s... 10:17 Well, first of all, I've always been a student. 10:19 So, you know, like, I've always liked to 10:21 learn new things and all that. 10:23 And in my 20s, I was very much 10:24 into reading horoscopes and not thinking that 10:29 they would, I wasn't doing it for my future 10:33 so much as just saying 10:35 what's going to happen today or this month or whatever. 10:39 And so I began to read them and then to find out like, 10:45 what sign people were and then was 10:48 that sign compatible with my sign, 10:50 just things like that, that seem harmless. 10:54 But the whole thing about... 10:58 One thing about Satan is that 11:00 he won't bombard you with things all at once, 11:03 he'll just kind of gradually take you 11:07 into phase and then before you know it, 11:09 you're in, yeah, 11:11 or you've gone so far away from shore, 11:15 the safety and security of the Lord, 11:17 you just kind of drifted. 11:18 And so horoscopes were... 11:23 So it was like a curiosity. 11:25 It was a curiosity. 11:27 And, you know, curiosity killed the cat. 11:30 But, you know, you just kind of 11:32 seem interested in that and graphology, 11:34 handwriting analysis, I was interested in that. 11:39 And different things that just, 11:43 you know, just seemed like they were okay, 11:45 but they really weren't. 11:47 One of the things that happened to me, 11:48 when I was singing commercials as I was singing commercials 11:53 for a living, well, before I even started, 11:57 I remember my manager at the time, 11:59 I was in a group and we had a manager, 12:02 and he had a recording studio. 12:04 And one night, some people came to his recording studio, 12:08 and one of the guests was a Wiccan. 12:11 And I had never met anybody that was on the dark side 12:16 like that before. 12:17 And I was talking to him, and he was, you know, 12:19 very friendly and, you know, didn't seem like a weirdo. 12:23 Nothing seemed creepy? 12:24 No, no, which is interesting too. 12:27 But nothing seemed creepy. 12:28 And he said, "So what do you want?" 12:32 He said, "What do you want?" 12:35 And I said, "I want to be rich." 12:38 And he said, "I'll pray for that for you." 12:41 Oh, wow. 12:43 Now, if I had been in my right mind, 12:47 and it makes me just feel so sad 12:49 that I disappointed God like this. 12:51 But if I've been like, in a spiritual frame of mind, 12:55 I would have said, no, no, no, 12:57 I wouldn't have even had a conversation with him, 12:59 but because I was 13:01 in that place of slowly drifting, 13:05 I entertained that. 13:06 So I said, "Okay." 13:08 And I just let it go. 13:09 I didn't even think anything more about that. 13:12 But that was another experience with the dark side. 13:17 And then, there was another time 13:20 when once I had gotten into the music business, 13:22 I did make a lot of money, not because he prayed to Satan, 13:26 but I did. 13:27 But there was also a lot that went with that. 13:32 But I remember singing at a session. 13:37 And I got called to do this session for a psychic. 13:42 And the psychic would do readings for people. 13:46 But I knew there was no way I was going to do that. 13:50 Like palm readings. 13:52 Well, just, she could just look at you 13:54 and talk to you. 13:55 Oh, wow. 13:57 So at the end of the session, the producer, 14:00 who's a female friend of mine, she said, "Oh, 14:03 the psyche wants to say something to you." 14:05 Something, she wants to thank me for, 14:08 you know, singing on her session, everything. 14:10 What she said to me, 14:13 "I'm going to tell you something," 14:14 and she began to read me, 14:18 give me a reading while standing there. 14:20 And she would look to the side. 14:23 And she would say, okay, okay, okay, thank you. 14:25 And look back at me... Like she's talking to someone. 14:27 Like she's talking, 14:29 she was communicating with a demon, 14:33 or to her, a spirit guide. 14:36 And she's communicating, and then coming back to me 14:38 and telling me things and instead of me saying, 14:43 "Whoa, get away from me" 14:45 or instead of me removing myself, 14:48 I was so beguiled by it. 14:50 I was so, it was like Eve at the tree, 14:52 I guess, you know, standing there 14:55 and hearing things about myself that, 14:59 how could she have known, 15:01 or she didn't know, the demon knew. 15:03 So that was another, you know, 15:05 all of these are these little forays 15:09 into the dark side. 15:13 So I remember leaving that session 15:18 and getting into a cab and feeling so sad 15:23 knowing I'd let God down. 15:25 Because even though 15:26 I wasn't in the church at that point, 15:29 you know that there's certain lines 15:30 you just don't cross. 15:31 I just, I knew that there were certain lines 15:33 that I would never cross. 15:34 And I crossed that line that day to me 15:37 by allowing her to talk to me, 15:41 to have the spirit guide or demon tell me something. 15:45 Did you feel scared or just sad about it 15:48 like you would let God down? 15:50 Oh, sad. Yeah, no, not scared. 15:52 There wasn't any fear about that. 15:56 I was so hurt that I had hurt God. 16:00 And I knew that even though I was away from, 16:02 I always consider myself still, which is so delusional, 16:05 but I consider myself Adventist while I was out there singing 16:09 because that was, you know, even though 16:11 I wasn't really going to church, I still... 16:12 There's certain things I just did not do. 16:15 And so I still consider myself Adventist, 16:17 and the people in the music business 16:19 considered me to be very spiritual. 16:22 But people who were Adventist knew that I had, 16:24 you know, gone to the left, and I had people praying for me 16:27 and all that. 16:28 So then one other thing that happened 16:34 and there's a reason I'm doing this, 16:35 I'm kind of taking you through this to see 16:39 to show how Satan can just kind of pull you, 16:42 slowly but surely, into consenting to do things 16:46 that you would not have ordinarily consented to do. 16:48 That is true. 16:50 And so I remember I had a friend 16:53 who was an engineer and his mom was also a psychic. 16:56 And she did astral projection and pendulum divination. 17:02 So one time I said to him, 17:07 would you ask your mother, 17:09 you know, well, he volunteered at, my bad, 17:11 he volunteered. 17:12 And he said, my mom, because I was going through 17:16 something at the time. 17:17 And he said, "Well, my mom does pendulum reading, 17:19 I could ask her for you." 17:20 And I said, "Yeah, okay. Ask her." 17:24 And, you know, he told me, and he told me what she said. 17:27 So essentially, I had through him, 17:32 contacted someone, again, who was doing divination. 17:37 Satan has had the plan for me all along, 17:41 to move into divination. 17:45 And... 17:47 So fast forward to 1985, 17:52 when the Lord began to work on my heart, 17:57 and everybody, I've told this story before 18:01 about Pastor CA, and coming, going to church, 18:05 because my grandmother told me, 18:06 "You're going to have a new pastor," 18:08 and I went to the church. 18:10 And from then on, 18:12 I was going to church every Sabbath, 18:14 and studying the Bible and all that. 18:17 So that part of my life, 18:20 I thought was behind me and I was a new creature. 18:24 And it wasn't that I was seeking this regularly. 18:27 But just the fact that I did it at all, 18:30 to me is just, it just hurts my heart, 18:33 even now to talk about it. 18:35 So... You know what's beautiful. 18:36 I was just thinking about your stories 18:38 you were talking that you were raised to know Jesus. 18:41 Yes. You had a praying family? 18:42 Yes. 18:44 And that even though you were walking, 18:46 maybe not in all the paths that you had been taught 18:48 when you were a kid, that God had His hand over you. 18:52 And even if you walked into some of this divination, 18:55 or some of this, you know, having people do that, 18:57 but God's still had His hand and God brought you back. 19:00 What a merciful savior. 19:02 What an amazing God. 19:04 Amen, amen. 19:05 Because even when we, you know, I am grateful 19:10 for my praying family, and I am grateful 19:12 for the seed that was planted by me. 19:16 Because I knew there were times that I knew better, 19:20 and I knew, I know now that God 19:24 had His hand on me the whole time, 19:26 the whole time. 19:28 And I'm so grateful. 19:29 So yeah, thank you for that. 19:30 So it's just, it's so amazing how God, 19:34 He just, one of my friend, a pastor friend of mine said, 19:37 "God's like a giant fisherman. 19:39 He lets you kinda go out, 19:40 you know, but then He reels you back in." 19:42 And so I'm just so thankful that He reel back in. 19:44 Amen, amen. 19:46 So in '85, I came back to the Lord 19:51 and I was singing jingles at the time 19:55 and doing studio music and studio singing. 19:59 And a jingle singer's lifespan, career span is, 20:04 you know, not that wide, 20:05 because they start wanting new faces, 20:07 new sounds and all that. 20:09 So I as... 20:13 There were times when I wasn't really working. 20:15 And, but I had things on the air. 20:17 So I was still making money, but it's still, 20:19 you know, I was not working as much. 20:21 So I began to being the perennial student 20:24 that I am, 20:25 I began to investigate other things. 20:27 And I sang in a camp meeting once. 20:30 And this lady just walked up to me 20:32 and gave me a tape and a booklet. 20:35 And she said, 20:36 I just feel impressed to give you this. 20:38 So I said, "Thank you." 20:39 And, you know, how people give you stuff, 20:40 you know. 20:42 And so I said, "Thank you." 20:43 And I put it in a drawer, 20:45 and I didn't even look at it for months. 20:46 And then one day, 20:48 I took the tape out, and I popped it in. 20:51 And it was a tape about sugar, 20:53 and its harmful effects on the body. 20:55 And I was just like, it was like, 20:58 like I was so intrigued. 21:00 Like drawn in. 21:01 Drawn into it, 21:03 I was so intrigued by the information 21:05 that I began to study alternative medicine. 21:09 And I began to look at herbs and I had friends at church 21:14 that were really into that and they kind of took me 21:18 under their wings. 21:19 And then I began to get these different certifications. 21:22 And so I studied, iridology, I studied reflexology, 21:26 massage therapy, auricular therapy, 21:30 and then one day, and naturopathic medicine. 21:33 And then one day someone said, 21:37 "You should come to my school, 21:39 we're having an open house" 21:40 And it was at Dallas College of Oriental Medicine. 21:43 They said, "You should come to my school 21:44 and just check it out." 21:47 And I said, "Okay." 21:48 Was that traditional Chinese medicine? 21:49 It was traditional Chinese medicine, 21:51 it was the Dallas College of Oriental Medicine. 21:55 And I really wanted an academic experience, 21:58 instead of just taking a seminar here 22:00 and a seminar there 22:02 and getting a certification here 22:03 and a certification there. 22:04 I actually wanted to, 22:06 I would be able to become board certified 22:08 in this to support and get the degree. 22:11 So I figured, okay, 22:12 well let me go and see if it's okay, 22:14 because by now, I was back in the church, 22:17 I felt like I was walking with the Lord 22:19 even though in retrospect, some of the things 22:21 I was doing were considered new age. 22:23 I wasn't thinking that. 22:25 And so I went, and I remember 22:27 asking the facilitator for the open house, 22:31 I remember asking him, 22:34 "Is this connected to eastern religion in anyway, 22:38 is acupuncture connected to eastern religion?" 22:41 And he assured me that it wasn't really, 22:44 that there are aspects of Taoism involved, 22:48 but not really. 22:50 So I thought, okay, 22:52 so I started going to school there 22:56 and I started taking classes. 22:57 If we can back up just a moment, 22:59 what is traditional Chinese medicine? 23:00 Someone might be saying, what is that? 23:02 So what does that mean? 23:06 It is the whole medical model 23:09 that has emerged out of Daoism. 23:14 It is not just a standalone medical model, 23:19 it has its foundation 23:23 in eastern religion, 23:25 eastern philosophy. 23:27 And so it's not just a little bit here 23:31 and a little bit there. 23:32 No, it's really rooted in Taoism. 23:37 And so that's TCM traditional Chinese medicine. 23:40 So I'll be referring to TCM as we talk, so... 23:45 It's a holistic approach, you could say to medicine, 23:47 but it has its roots or its base in Taoism. 23:49 Correct. In the eastern religion. 23:52 In eastern religion and the primary modalities 23:55 in TCM are acupuncture, 23:58 herbs. 24:01 Moxibustion, which is a heat, the application of heat so... 24:06 Like hydrotherapy? Not hydrotherapy. 24:08 No, like you would put, the acupuncturist 24:11 would put the needle in 24:13 and have just a little heat cone on it 24:16 and light it. 24:17 And it honestly, it's very... 24:19 the smell is very, very potent. 24:21 It's like whoa, but it's warming 24:25 and the whole idea is to dispel cold. 24:30 So, yeah, so TCM, 24:32 the primary modalities are acupuncture, 24:35 herbs, moxibustion, cupping, 24:39 those are some of the things 24:41 that you do with TCM. 24:43 So, I went to the classes, 24:47 and I began at first 24:51 everything seemed okay, 24:53 it didn't seem like there was anything that was, 24:56 you know, questionable, really. 24:59 But then in one of my classes 25:01 and the theory of acupuncture class, 25:03 we learned about the five Shen, 25:06 and I'm going to talk about that in a minute. 25:08 But I want to go back to Yin and Yang, 25:11 because the foundation really, and I think we have a graphic 25:14 we can put up of the Yin and Yang symbol. 25:18 So when you look at this graphic, 25:20 you'll see that the black and white 25:22 are first of all in a circle. 25:24 And that circle indicates 25:27 the unity of the opposites. 25:30 They call it a harmony of opposites, 25:33 because the whole idea is to balance the opposites. 25:37 And these opposites you see black and white. 25:43 They're not static, they're dynamic. 25:45 So one is always changing into the other, 25:48 you'll see there that there's the black seed, 25:52 so to speak, in the white 25:53 and the white seed in the black. 25:55 That means that there is Yin in Yang, 25:58 and Yang in Yin. 26:00 The Yang is white. 26:02 And there's the black, so there's the Yin in the Yang 26:07 and the black with the white is the Yin with the Yang. 26:12 And each is transforming into the other 26:15 so day transforms into night, 26:19 it's not a static relationship, 26:22 it's actually an interdependent dynamic relationship. 26:26 So one of the things about... 26:28 And Yin and Yang, 26:30 that's one of the basic tenets of TCM, 26:34 of traditional Chinese medicine. 26:36 Everything, according to TCM, can be looked at 26:42 through the lens of Yin and Yang. 26:44 So Yin and Yang must always be in balance 26:48 to have health. 26:49 So they're kind of polar opposites, 26:51 but yet they balance each other somehow, 26:52 and they're part of an entire whole? 26:54 Correct. Okay. 26:55 That's exactly right. 26:57 They are opposites, just like day and night, 26:59 just like hot and cold. 27:01 But they are to balance each other out. 27:04 So when you have a preponderance of Yang, 27:07 Yang is hot, Yang is heat. 27:10 So you're going to have, 27:12 from a medical standpoint, too much heat. 27:15 Inflammation? 27:16 Inflammation and too much heat in the body. 27:18 So you have to bring up the Yin, 27:20 you have to balance that with cold. 27:22 If you have too much Yin, you're cold. 27:24 So you have to, that's why the moxibustion 27:27 is there to bring up the Yang, right. 27:30 So, it's all about balance. 27:33 But now let's look at that from a spiritual place. 27:36 Yes. 27:37 How do you balance good with evil? 27:39 You don't. You don't. 27:40 The Bible says, 27:42 "What fellowship has good with evil," right? 27:43 Absolutely. Absolutely. 27:45 And 1 John 1:5, let's look at that. 27:49 What does 1 John 1:5 say? 27:52 Would you read it for us? 27:53 1 John 1:5, "This is the message 27:55 which we have heard from Him 27:57 and declare to you that God is light, 28:00 and in Him is no darkness at all?" 28:03 That's right. Yeah. 28:04 God is light. Yes. 28:06 He is perfect, He is sinless, 28:08 there is no darkness in Him at all. 28:11 We're not supposed to balance good and evil. 28:16 We're supposed to eschew or avoid. 28:18 That's right. Flee. 28:19 Flee evil, right? 28:22 So this is why you first run into 28:26 a conflict 28:28 between what's taught in TCM 28:31 and what the foundation of TCM is, 28:34 and also in Christianity, good and evil. 28:39 So as I mentioned, Yin and Yang, 28:43 came from Taoism. 28:46 And Taoism, with Taoism, there's no supreme being, 28:50 there's no creator of the universe with Taoism, 28:55 that Dao is an impersonal force 28:59 that just is present in everything. 29:02 Oh, wow. 29:04 But not an intimate being, not a Creator God. 29:08 Now there are deities 29:10 that people worship Dao is worship, 29:13 but again, there is no creator, 29:17 the Dao is this force 29:19 that created according to Taoism. 29:22 So again, you know, we look at the difference here, 29:26 in the underpinning 29:29 of TCM versus Christianity. 29:33 And there is a total denial of the Creator God. 29:37 Wow. 29:38 So when you were going to school 29:40 in traditional Chinese medicine, 29:41 you're taking these classes. 29:43 Did you know that the underpinning was Taoism? 29:45 Did they teach that 29:46 or was it not even readily apparent? 29:49 For me, it wasn't readily apparent, 29:52 and they were not teaching that and I think, 29:54 because there were other Christians 29:56 in my school as well. 29:59 And even some of the professors 30:02 were Christian as well. 30:05 They were Asian Christians. 30:07 And, no, 30:10 they didn't but there were red flags 30:13 that I really should have picked up on that 30:18 I just kind of brushed aside. 30:21 Again, I guess, because probably 30:24 because I wanted to, you know, what I mean, you just like, 30:28 "Okay, well, this doesn't conform 30:30 to my worldview. 30:31 I'm a Christian. 30:32 So I don't really don't need that to do this." 30:35 So that's kind of where I went with it. 30:39 Like, there was this class that I took called Jin Shen. 30:42 And with Jin Shen, 30:44 you just kind of put your hands 30:48 under the patient, and you just kind of sit there. 30:53 And the patient gets some kind of release. 30:57 There's no acupuncture in this part, 30:59 this is just a modality. 31:02 So I was reading the intro to the book 31:05 to the manual for the class, the textbook. 31:09 And I saw that the person who wrote the book 31:14 was influenced by a spirit guide. 31:17 Oh, wow. 31:18 And so I, was like what? Yeah. 31:21 You know what I mean, I was just horrified. 31:23 So I went to the president of the school, 31:27 and I said, 31:30 "This is written by a spirit guide?" 31:34 And he said, "Let me look into that," 31:37 because one of the professors there had written the textbook, 31:40 so he said, "No, no, 31:42 that's not really, really true." 31:45 And instead of me really getting into it more, 31:48 again, brush, okay, brushed under the rug. 31:52 Yeah. 31:54 And so that was a red flag. 31:57 And the other red flag 32:01 was when I was learning about the five Shen. 32:06 Okay. 32:07 Yeah, you referenced that before. 32:09 Yes, the five Shen. And the five Shen are... 32:13 Okay, let me back up for a second. 32:14 So, with TCM again, they didn't tell us 32:20 that numerology played a big role 32:23 in traditional Chinese medicine. 32:26 The number five particularly has mystic value. 32:30 So there's five, there are the five Shen, 32:34 and the five elements, and the five Yin organs 32:37 and so five is an important number 32:40 in mysticism, 32:42 in traditional Chinese medicine. 32:44 Well, I was in my theory of acupuncture class, 32:49 and they began to talk about the five Shen. 32:53 These are five spirits that are associated 32:58 with the five Yin organs. 33:01 And so I said, "Five spirits, like this is spiritualism." 33:07 And what in the world is this? 33:09 And then again, 33:12 well, because in treating people 33:16 with acupuncture, 33:18 I didn't think about the Hun and the po, 33:21 and the corporeals, the Zhi and the Yi, 33:24 and I didn't think about those, the five Shens. 33:26 The five Shens. You're not thinking about that. 33:29 No, you're just thinking about, you know, okay, 33:32 so I'm going to put this needle here, 33:33 and it's going to do this. 33:35 You're not really, I didn't really think about it, 33:39 and think it through. 33:41 Oh, Mrs., if you're not thinking 33:43 about the theory behind it, 33:44 you're just saying, I'm doing the practice. 33:46 So I'm involved in helping this patient 33:48 and I want to do something for them. 33:50 And not thinking about all the underpinning 33:52 or the theory behind 33:54 why this is doing what it's doing. 33:55 That's exactly right, Jill. 33:57 I was caught up in being able to help people, 34:01 I loved to see them feel better. 34:05 You have a heart for people. 34:06 Well, praise the Lord. You really do. 34:08 You know, just wanting I can see that, 34:09 you know, wanting to help people. 34:11 So then you think, "Oh, this is something 34:12 that's going to help people" 34:14 Because does acupuncture get results? 34:15 Should I be asking you that question? 34:17 Absolutely, it does. 34:18 Okay. Absolutely. 34:19 And in fact, one of my friends said, 34:22 I said... 34:23 He was trying to tell me that, 34:25 you know, there was a problem with acupuncture, 34:27 and I said, "But it works." 34:29 And he said, 34:30 "Oh, I don't doubt that it works. 34:31 But what's the power behind it?" 34:33 And after he asked me that, my friend Schubert Palmer, 34:36 Yolanda's Husband, 34:38 after he asked me that question, 34:42 I realized, "Wow, like maybe there is, 34:47 maybe I need to be really looking into this 34:51 and seeing, am I being deceived?" 34:54 You know, because I would have people, 34:56 I would have patients that I would treat, Jill, 34:59 they would come in with stress. 35:02 And there's a point here on the wrist, 35:04 and I would needle this point, and some other points 35:08 as part of a protocol, that would relieve stress. 35:13 But I would talk to them after the treatment, 35:15 and they would say things to me like 35:17 "Oh, I felt energy moving. 35:19 Or I saw colors while I was on your table." 35:21 Really? 35:23 And I'm thinking "Oh, that's just energy." 35:24 No, duh. 35:26 Yeah. That's not energy. 35:28 That's some kind of spiritualistic experience. 35:31 And this point, by the way, is the Shen men. 35:35 And Shen men means spirit gate. 35:38 Oh, wow. What's a gate? 35:40 It's literally an opening to allow... 35:42 Exactly. The spirit entrance. 35:44 Exactly, entrance and exit. 35:46 Okay. 35:48 You can go out or come in, 35:50 spirits can go out and come in, 35:54 it's just, yeah. This is deep. 35:56 I want to just pause for one moment, 35:58 because we have a very special offer 36:00 for you at home, 36:01 this little booklet, which is not very long, 36:04 but it's powerful, 36:05 and packed full of wonderful information. 36:07 Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton wrote this, 36:09 "What is Wrong with Acupuncture." 36:12 So we want to make this available to you, 36:14 if you give us a call, 36:16 our call center during non-Sabbath hours, 36:18 or you can contact us give us a call at 36:20 618-627-4651. 36:24 Or you can always email us 36:26 at mail@3abn.org, 36:29 that's mail@3abn.org. 36:34 So give us a call or email us 36:36 and we will send you this little booklet free, 36:39 because we want you to be informed. 36:43 We don't want you to, 36:44 maybe you're listening to the program 36:46 right now and saying, 36:47 "But I still have some further questions." 36:48 So this little booklet will give you 36:50 a lot of those answers. 36:52 So go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh, no, no, no. 36:54 We'll give that information at the end again, 36:56 but we want to make that available to our viewers. 36:58 Thank you. 36:59 Because this is really, vitally important. 37:01 It really is because we don't realize 37:04 what we're dealing with. 37:07 We're thinking that it's on one level. 37:10 And it's really so much deeper than we're really thinking. 37:15 For example, besides the TCM 37:19 being rooted in Taoism, 37:22 it's also got astrology 37:27 as a part of it. 37:29 And I have a chart that I made, 37:33 actually, Ricky Carter, 37:34 shout out to Ricky Carter, thank you. 37:37 We love Ricky. 37:39 A chart that shows the Taoism 37:46 at the top and then Yin and Yang. 37:49 And so let's take a look at this. 37:51 Yeah, so... 37:52 Yeah, I can see Taoism at the top. 37:54 Yes, Taoism. 37:55 And then Yin and Yang really emerged from Taoism. 37:59 Okay. 38:01 One of the Taoists practices is divination. 38:05 And the I Ching, which is again... 38:09 What is I Ching? The I Ching is a... 38:12 It's called the book of changes. 38:14 It's a book. It says 64 Hexagrams? 38:17 And what it is, is with the I Ching, 38:21 this book, it's based on Yin and Yang 38:23 and the potential combinations of Yin and Yang. 38:28 The Yang is symbolized by an unbroken line and Yin, 38:33 broken lines, and then they're all 38:35 these combinations of the broken and the unbroken 38:41 and the practitioner. 38:43 Now this is not all acupuncturists don't do this. 38:46 But this is part of the underpinning of TCM. 38:51 So they have these bamboo sticks, 38:53 they throw them out, 38:54 and they see how they fall like tea leaves they're reading, 38:58 that it's fortune telling. 39:00 It's divination. 39:01 That's part of the, that whole paradigm. 39:06 Can we go back to the chart? 39:09 I want to look at that so then again, 39:12 we have the numerology 39:16 that is a part of the Yin Yang of the five elements, 39:20 the five shen, and then we have again, 39:24 the Spiritism with the five Shen, 39:25 the five different spirits that are associated 39:28 with the five Yin organs. 39:30 And your Yin organs are your heart, 39:32 your liver, your kidneys, the spleen, and the lungs. 39:36 Is Yin the hot or cold? 39:38 Cold. Okay, all right. 39:40 So and you have six Yang organs. 39:41 Okay. 39:42 And so, this chart 39:46 kind of shows the divination, 39:50 the astrology, the numerology, and the Spiritism 39:54 that is connected with the TCM. 39:58 The five Shen, for example, let's look at that. 40:02 The five Shen, 40:03 the first one is the Shen of the mind, 40:05 and that's located in the heart. 40:10 And that's the, that's the kind of, 40:12 there's a kind of hierarchical relationship 40:16 with the five Shen. 40:17 So the heart is the emperor of all the rest of the Shen 40:22 and of the Shen, and they are like ministers. 40:27 So the five, the heart is the emperor. 40:31 So he's over. He's like the boss. 40:33 The boss. 40:34 And that's awareness. Okay. 40:36 That's awareness. And then the second one is... 40:39 If I can stop you a second. Yeah, sure. 40:41 I'm just thinking in the Christian life, 40:42 we would say that the will or the mind 40:45 is to govern the body. 40:46 So there's parallels there. 40:48 And then we would say that. 40:50 That's what's so interesting about this 40:53 is that there are aspects of it that kind of 40:57 go along with our worldview. 40:59 'Cause you can almost say, 41:00 "Oh, well, I would subscribe to that." 41:02 Right, except it's a spirit. 41:03 Yeah. That's the thing that is. 41:05 That's dangerous. It is. 41:07 And that's the thing that makes you go, 41:09 "Okay, it's a spirit." 41:11 Okay. 41:13 So the next one would be the willpower. 41:17 And that spirit is in the kidneys. 41:21 And now, each of these again, on that chart, 41:24 can we show that chart one more time, 41:26 because each of these five Shen, 41:29 you see the five elements there, 41:30 they correspond with the five elements. 41:34 Oh, okay, so the fire goes with the mind. 41:36 Exactly. 41:37 And the water goes with the willpower. 41:39 With the kidneys. 41:40 Right, with the willpower and the kidneys. 41:42 Okay. 41:43 And then the earth goes with Saturn. 41:46 Now look at these elements, 41:48 they all have a planet connected to them. 41:52 So when they use the five element theory, 41:57 they are actually looking at the planets 42:02 and their positions. 42:04 And five element theory is used to diagnose 42:06 and treat with acupuncture in TCM. 42:09 Oh, wow. 42:10 So you can see how it's all mixed up in there. 42:14 Again, the Yi is the thought 42:18 and that's connected to the spleen, 42:20 that's intellect and discernment. 42:23 And then you have the hun and the po. 42:25 And the po is a corporeal so and that's, 42:30 that's what gives you the capacity to sense 42:33 and feel things. 42:34 Okay. But that dissolves at death. 42:37 And the hun is the spirit that enters the body 42:40 shortly after birth. 42:42 And then when you die, it remains conscious. 42:46 But it just kind of goes out into the atmosphere. 42:49 Some sort of belief in life after death, 42:52 but we would not subscribe to it, okay. 42:53 Exactly. So it's spiritualism. 42:55 Absolutely. 42:56 But it's, again with the planets. 42:59 And so the idea with the acupuncture 43:04 is that the body's vital energy, 43:06 or qi, which is the qi that you see, sometimes 43:10 it's pronounced chi. 43:12 It circulates through the body 43:15 through 12 primary meridians or channels. 43:20 But this is based on actually an episteme, 43:23 which is a set of fundamental beliefs, 43:26 that's based in astrology 43:28 that the sun in its celestial sphere 43:32 circulates in a certain pattern. 43:35 So there is a belief that says, 43:40 as above, so below, 43:42 as in the heavens, 43:44 so in the microcosm or the body, 43:48 so the macrocosm is the heavens, 43:51 and our bodies are the microcosms. 43:53 So we've got the 12 meridians, 43:58 12 pathways 43:59 through which the body's energy flows. 44:02 Those correspond 44:04 with the 12 houses of the Chinese zodiac. 44:06 Oh, really? 44:08 And so you... 44:09 Again, you can see... 44:11 It's all interconnected. 44:13 Wow. 44:15 Now, that's something I did not know. 44:17 Okay. The astrological... So they didn't teach you that? 44:19 No, no. 44:20 But I noticed that I had a professor 44:22 who would do people's charts for them, 44:27 like their astrological charts, and I never connected it, 44:31 or when you see on this chart, where you see 44:34 like the five elements of fire, water, wood, 44:39 and metal, and earth, 44:42 when you see those five elements, 44:45 they all have a planet connected to them. 44:49 So again, horoscopes, earth signs, water signs, 44:54 fire signs never made the connection, 44:59 never made the connection. 45:01 So all of that, 45:05 it's all part of Satan's plan to deceive, 45:11 and to get us 45:14 into astrology, and all of that 45:17 without even knowing that we're doing it. 45:20 So what if someone's watching right now, 45:22 Yvonne, and they're saying, 45:23 "Okay, I've been having acupuncture done on me, 45:26 and it's really helping me. 45:28 And when I go, I don't allow my mind to go 45:30 into those eastern mystical things. 45:32 I'm not doing anything to do with that. 45:35 I'm just going to help my physical pain." 45:40 Are they involved in the spiritualism by going? 45:43 By going because you're putting yourself... 45:46 Would you go into enemy territory 45:49 if you're in a battle? 45:51 Would you go into an enemy territory? 45:53 Never. 45:55 You are placing yourself in an environment 46:00 that allows demonic activity. 46:04 And you might, you don't even realize it. 46:06 And I want to ask you something. 46:08 If you're going to an acupuncturist right now, 46:13 and you've been going for a while, 46:15 or if you are an acupuncturist, 46:18 and you think you're a Christian, 46:20 and you're not trying to practice eastern medicine, 46:23 you're just trying to help people. 46:26 How's your appetite for the Bible? 46:28 How's your appetite for spiritual things? 46:30 Do you notice that it's kind of 46:32 diminishing it's kind of waning? 46:35 Are you really just into doing things 46:40 that can make a difference? 46:41 Or, you know, you have to ask yourself 46:45 certain questions about how it's impacting 46:50 your spirituality, 46:51 because it can really impact it without you realizing it. 46:56 So it's important because I know 46:58 when I was practicing acupuncture I wasn't, 47:01 my spiritual appetite wasn't as profound 47:07 as it should have been, 47:08 as intense as it should have been. 47:10 And I loved, frankly, 47:12 I loved being able to touch someone 47:14 and their pain could go away, because I know 47:16 where to touch to take your headache away. 47:19 And that was like, wow, I mean, I get it, 47:21 you know what I'm saying? 47:23 Oh, yeah. 47:24 A power, it's like a thrill that you can do this, 47:27 knowing things that other people don't know. 47:29 But you're putting yourself on enemy territory. 47:34 And that's the danger. 47:36 So what led you to make the decision, 47:39 I'm no longer going to practice acupuncture. 47:41 I'm no longer going to do this. 47:43 'Cause you had these red flags but yet, 47:45 you're still practicing. 47:47 So, but today, you're not practicing? 47:48 No, no, no. 47:49 So what led you to make that decision? 47:52 You know, Jill, it's a good question, 47:54 because the Lord was trying to get me out of it, 48:00 sending me these indicators, 48:02 and I really wasn't listening but here's what happened. 48:05 So 3ABN had invited me to sing 48:10 at a function in New York, 48:11 Ruben Carr who was working with 3ABN at the time. 48:15 And I didn't know you guys here, 48:17 I knew CA and Ruben. 48:19 But anyway, Ruben invited me so I went to New York, 48:22 and I was going to stay with my friend, Yolanda, we were 48:25 sharing a room, Yolanda Palmer, and I'll make this quick 48:29 and so long story short, I had my needles with me 48:33 and a friend of ours came to visit. 48:35 And she said she had a headache and I said, 48:36 "Oh, I'll give you a little treatment," 48:38 'cause I was an acupuncturist at the time. 48:41 And so Yolanda said, "No. 48:42 No, no, no, no, no, don't do that in here. 48:45 That's from the devil." And I was, "What?" 48:47 And my pride welled up and all that. 48:49 And so long story short, 48:52 I from that experience, Yolanda and I... 48:56 I mean, and I love her, she's like my sister, 48:57 and we fell out for a bit and... 49:01 but she sent me a book. 49:04 And it was called Spiritualistic Deceptions 49:07 in Health and Healing by Dr. Edwin Noyes. 49:11 And I read that, or at first when she sent it, 49:14 I looked through it. 49:16 And I said, "It's written by some western doctor, 49:18 a hater. 49:20 He doesn't know about eastern medicine," 49:21 and I put away. 49:22 And I just kept practicing. 49:24 But there was something making me think, 49:27 like, "Am I being deceived." 49:29 Right. Am I being deceived? 49:30 I better check this out. 49:32 So then, I don't know, 49:35 just, I came back to 3ABN 49:39 to interview about a book I had written. 49:41 And this lady saw me, and she looked up my website, 49:46 and she saw that I did acupuncture, 49:47 and she sent me a packet. 49:50 And in that packet was a picture of the same book 49:53 that Yolanda has sent me. 49:55 And so I said, "Lord, 49:56 are you trying to tell me something?" 49:58 I looked, I looked back in that drawer. 50:01 I found that book and this time I read the book 50:03 with an open heart. 50:05 And the Lord convicted me and then I went online, 50:08 and I read this book, Astrology with... 50:11 I mean an internet report, Astrology with needles. 50:15 And that did it for me. 50:17 Everything clicked and I was like, 50:20 I went to prayer meeting that night. 50:23 And this couple was at prayer meeting 50:25 and I was so broken because I knew that 50:28 I had been practicing something that was displeasing to God. 50:34 And they prayed for me 50:36 and they were there to comfort me, 50:38 the Campbell's and I'm just so grateful 50:41 because the Lord showed me and from then on, 50:45 I have never used another needle, 50:48 that was 95% of my income, never practiced again. 50:52 I wish we had more time. I know. 50:54 What an amazing journey that Lord has led you on. 50:57 And as a result of that you're using your gifts 51:00 to be able to share the dangers of something 51:03 that you were once involved in. 51:04 I want to give this free offer one more time. 51:08 If you are interested in this book, 51:10 What's wrong with Acupuncture, written by 51:12 Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton. 51:14 We will send you this book for free, 51:16 just give us a call at 3ABN 51:17 618-627-4651 51:21 and we would love to send this out to you 51:23 because I know Yvonne has a heart for people 51:26 and she earnestly wants to raise awareness 51:30 so that you at home will not be caught 51:32 in the same deception. 51:34 What we want to do right now is to put up 51:36 the contact information here at 3ABN. 51:38 If you would like to contact Dr. Yvonne 51:41 or you would like more information. 51:42 Here is how you can do just that. 51:47 If you're interested in getting more information 51:49 about this topic, and want to learn 51:51 how to be better informed regarding the dangers 51:54 and risks to these alternative forms of medicine, 51:57 you can contact Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton 52:00 at 3ABN PO Box 220, 52:03 West Frankfort, Illinois 62896. 52:07 Again, Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton 3ABN PO Box 220, 52:13 West Frankfort, Illinois 62896. 52:16 You can call 618-627-4651. 52:21 That's 618-627-4651, 52:25 or go to our website at 3ABN.TV. |
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