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Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY190072A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 - Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today program. Thank 01:12 you for joining us as you do each and every day! 01:14 I'm blessed by a lovely co-host. - Yay! - My wife 01:17 Yvonne, how are you today? - I'm doing well, thank you. 01:20 - All right. You're looking spiffy. - Well, thank you; 01:22 so are you! [laughter] - All right. Now we'll move 01:24 on to the main part of the program. We know 01:28 that you're blessed. And don't forget every day 01:30 to thank the Lord for what He has done in your life, 01:33 because without Him there is no life. With Jesus Christ 01:36 and acceptance of Him committing- literally, if 01:40 we go to Him and confess our sins, He's faithful and 01:42 just to forgive us from our sins and to cleanse 01:45 us from some unrighteousness. - Oh... - All right, all 01:48 unrighteousness. - That's right. - Aren't you glad 01:50 about that? So, just think about it. The great God 01:53 of the universe has a home prepared for you and me 01:56 with our names there. And if they're written down in 01:59 the Lamb's Book of Life and all we have to do is, 02:02 as I've said already, confess to Jesus. He's faithful- He 02:06 wants to forgive us. He died that none should 02:08 perish but all should have everlasting life. So, the 02:12 news today from 3ABN to you is good news: Jesus 02:15 loves you, He died for you and made a plan of 02:18 salvation for you, He's coming back very soon 02:20 in the clouds of glory to call each and every one 02:23 of us home. Isn't that great news - Oh, man. 02:25 And you know, the... I guess the older I get, 02:28 the more I just appreciate the fact that this is just 02:33 temporary-but we have an eternal home. We have 02:37 an eternal home in heaven! So, what a blessing that 02:39 is to know that we can be with Him forever. 02:42 - Absolutely. And what a blessing for us that we're 02:44 able to work with people in ministry around the 02:46 world, have the same goals, same mission, as we do 02:50 here at 3ABN, and as you do at home-and that's to take 02:53 the gospel into all the world. And with that- 02:56 that's my little segue to introduce... - That 02:57 was good! [laughter] - Introduce brother Steve 02:59 Dickman. Steve, how are you doing? - I'm fine, 03:01 thank you. It's good to be here with you. - Thank 03:03 you! What a privilege to have you here today, 03:05 and you're the president of Harbert Hills? And 03:08 tell us where Harbert Hills is-and what is it? It's 03:11 a...school? Is it a... - Yeah! - Okay. - Harbert 03:15 Hills Academy is located in Savannah, Tennessee. Well, 03:18 near Savannah, Tennessee. - Okay. - We're kind of like 03:21 you are here. You say your nearest town may 03:24 be Thompsonville or West Frankfort, but reality is 03:28 you're kinda in the country. - Yeah, that's right. [laughter] 03:31 We like it. - And so, that's how it is for us there at 03:33 Harbert Hills Academy; we're located in the country. 03:35 - Okay. - And so, we praise God for that, 03:38 because we like the country. But Harbert Hills Academy 03:41 was started 1951. It's an outgrowth of the work 03:45 that happened at Madison College in Madison, Tennessee. 03:48 And for those who know something about that, 03:53 Madison was started in 1904. Ellen White helped to found 03:57 that school and to give it a philosophy of education- 04:01 and the philosophy there was, you should be a 04:06 missionary-and we're here to train missionaries, 04:08 and the mission idea was that you would be trained, 04:13 and then you would go out and start something 04:15 where there was nothing else going on to get the 04:17 gospel into the areas. Specifically at that point 04:20 in time, there's a lot of concern for the southern 04:23 part of the United States. The Civil War was over, 04:25 but still it was not the prime area of our country. 04:29 And so, she was promoting people to go out and start 04:33 things in the southern part of the United States. 04:36 And so, Harbert Hills Academy came out of 04:38 that environment. Both of my parents attended 04:40 Madison College, so they were there at Madison. 04:44 - All right. - My father came from California; 04:46 my mother was living in Tennessee at the time, 04:48 but she came to Madison, as well. And both of them 04:52 came for an interesting reason: their parents 04:54 didn't have the resources to pay for their college 04:58 education. And so, Madison was a place where you could 05:02 come, and if you would learn to work like they taught you 05:05 in that program, you could work your way through 05:08 school. - Oh, that's great. - And so, both 05:10 of my parents worked their way through Madison 05:12 College. They're sitting in chapel one day down 05:16 toward the end of their time there, and they 05:19 had been married by that point. They had met each 05:21 other and were married, and the individual giving 05:26 the chapel talk said, "I'm going to start a 05:27 new school, and I need some help." And so he 05:31 made his appeal. He said, "Are there any students 05:34 here who'd be willing to help start a new school, 05:36 pioneer a work? And we have this little place we're 05:39 interested in down in Savannah, Tennessee, 05:42 and there's no Seventh-day Adventist presence in nine 05:45 or ten different counties there." - Mm. - And as I 05:49 heard the story, my mother kind of gave the elbow to 05:53 my father and said, "Louie, I think that's us." - Okay! 05:57 - And so, they committed their lives to Harbert Hills 06:00 Academy and to service to God there, and I was 06:03 born there. So, I have a little history attachment 06:05 to the school. - I'll say you have a lot of history. 06:08 Steve is also a president of ASI. You've been there 06:14 and were recently re-elected, right? - Yes. - And so, you 06:18 have a busy schedule. - Yeah, I would say so. 06:22 - He has a tremendously busy schedule. So, doing 06:25 both-but you're able to do it. God has blessed 06:28 you. He's given you health and a good brain and a 06:30 great-and I would say instilled from your parents- 06:34 great love for the ministry and getting the gospel 06:37 to the world. And so, we're so thankful, again, 06:40 that you're here today. Before we go any farther 06:42 though, we do have some special music, and we're 06:45 going to do the music, and then we're going to 06:46 come back. We want you at home to call your friends, 06:49 your enemies, everybody... Let them know that 3ABN, 06:52 we have a great guest today. We're going to 06:53 be hearing some miracle stories. I know you like 06:55 that. Brother Steve Dickman is here. But right now, it's 06:59 my privilege to introduce some great friends of ours, 07:01 the Birchfield brothers. 09:26 - Praise the Lord. Is that beautiful or what? - Oh, it's 09:28 so peaceful, isn't it? It's just very relaxing and 09:31 tranquil. - And what a Friend we have in Jesus. 09:34 - Yes, indeed. - That's what we're talking about 09:36 today. That's what you were sharing with the 09:38 world. You're doing it in an area here in Tennessee- 09:41 you say near Savannah. You've given us a little 09:43 bit of the background with your folks going 09:46 there and you being basically born there-and the year 09:49 your folks went down there was the year I was born. 09:52 So, I'll remember that-1951. I know I look a lot older, but 09:56 I wasn't born until 1951. - Oh, no! - So, we want to 10:01 find out a little more about the school, and I'm sure 10:04 you've got some questions, too... - Oh, yes. - ...about it 10:06 and find out, you know, is it connected with the church, 10:10 is it self-supporting... There are a number of 10:12 things, and I'm sure you have some... What questions 10:15 you want out asking him? - I was asking him 10:19 about the enrollment. Like, what is the enrollment 10:23 at the school? How many kids do you have there? 10:25 - So, we have about 60 students, and they come 10:28 from, interestingly, all over the world. It was 10:32 probably 10-15 years ago we started accepting a few 10:36 students from out of the country. - Okay. - And 10:38 somehow, they got multiplied, and we have a lot of 10:41 applications from out of the country-students that 10:43 want to come to the United States and study. Maybe 10:47 some of them just want to get to the United States; 10:50 that's probably a possibility. But our program is unique 10:54 in that that Madison model of education was to provide 10:58 a balanced education, or you might say an 11:01 all-around education. We believe that education 11:04 is more than what you learn in the classroom. 11:06 - Okay. - Not that classrooms aren't something good, 11:09 because we all need certain information, and we better 11:13 get it in the best environment we can-but there's a lot 11:17 more to education than that. My study of education over 11:22 the years-and I've been doing this about 11:24 28 years now-and so in my role for Harbert Hills 11:31 Academy, it's been a while. I just continue to study 11:35 this idea of education: what God really wants in regard 11:40 to this. First of all, think of Genesis. Where 11:45 did God put Adam and Eve? - In a garden. 11:48 - He put them in a garden. Why did He put them there? 11:52 You think, "Well, he wanted a nice place 11:55 for them." That's true, but there was something 11:57 more than that. And if you read Genesis chapter 11:59 2, you find it says, "And God took Adam 12:02 and Eve and put them in the garden to dress 12:05 it and to keep it." - Mhm. - Well, what's so significant 12:08 about that little sentence? Well, it encompasses the 12:11 whole plan of education- because who's the Teacher? 12:14 God Himself is the Teacher in this case, and He took 12:19 the students, Adam and Eve, and He put them 12:21 into the garden and He gave them useful 12:24 work to do. So, you have: God is the teacher. So, 12:28 in today's environment, since He can't come 12:31 personally, He gave us His Word, right? So we 12:34 have the Word of God, we have the-in nature, He 12:38 put them right there in nature-the study of 12:40 nature, we have useful work for them to do. 12:44 And along with the experiences that you have when you're 12:48 just living life, that was God's original plan of 12:52 education. Well, if you take that a little further 12:54 downstream and you look at, how did Jesus get His 12:57 education? Well, book education says from 13:01 four things: useful work, study of Scripture, study 13:05 of nature, and experiences of life. - Okay, that's good. 13:08 - So, we find that model of education in Genesis, 13:11 we find it-and actually, in the schools of the 13:14 prophets, as well-we find it in the life of Jesus... 13:18 And, you know, there are even indicators that 13:20 someday, when we get to the heavenly kingdom, we're 13:24 still going to continue our education, and we're 13:27 going to continue it on God's farm instead of our 13:30 farm here. - All right! - And so, it's very interesting 13:34 to see that God is consistent. And a lot of times today, 13:39 you see the high-tech education, and "We've got 13:42 to get a computer in the hand of every student," and this 13:45 kind of thing. But you know, God didn't do 13:47 that in the beginning. He could have, right? 13:50 God is God; He could've created an iPad for 13:53 everyone, right? - Yeah, right; sure. [laughter] 13:56 - Instead, He gave them a real apple tree. - Yeah, 13:58 there you go. Real apple. [laughter] - Said, "Grow 14:01 some of these and find out." - So, what are some 14:05 of the things that your students do there besides... 14:06 Once they get out of the classroom, what are 14:10 they learning? - So, the way that... The practical 14:14 training part of it is, at Harbert Hills Academy, 14:17 is that we have a 49-bed nursing home on our campus 14:21 owned by the school... - Okay. - ...For the purpose of a 14:24 training institution for the students. So, we 14:27 have 49 residents there, the students are involved 14:30 in cooking and cleaning and housekeeping... 14:32 And then, once they are mature enough, we train 14:35 them to be certified nurse assistants, and 14:38 they can actually do... - These are high school? 14:40 - Yeah! And they can do direct patient care. And 14:42 so, it's a very maturing experience... - I'll say. 14:47 - ...For them. And then, we have a farm. You can't 14:52 have school without a farm... - Yeah, what's 14:55 some of the things they do? You're growing different 14:57 crops? They're driving the tractors and all that? 15:00 - We grow berries and potatoes and cucumbers, 15:03 and we're just building some greenhouses, kind 15:06 of bringing... Our goal is to actually grow more 15:09 of what we eat. You know, we're pretty dependent 15:12 these days on going to Walmart, right? Or some 15:15 other grocery store; don't let me call out a certain 15:17 brand name here. But we go to the grocery store; 15:20 we expect that that's where our food comes 15:22 from. - Yeah!- But in the beginning, it wasn't 15:25 that way. - Right. - And there may come a time 15:27 when it's not going to be that way. And so, 15:29 learning to grow things is a very important part- 15:32 not just practically speaking but for their education. 15:35 - So the young folk get to learn farming a little 15:38 bit, right? - Yeah. - Gardening and farming. 15:40 - Gardening, farming... We have a bakery there 15:43 on campus, we have... Yeah. Also have a radio 15:48 station. So, we have a variety of things that 15:50 they're involved in, which are the practical training 15:53 opportunities to take what they learn in the 15:55 classroom and apply it so that you don't forget 15:58 it. Now, I'm going to assume something. I'm 16:01 going to assume in high school, you took algebra. 16:02 Is that true? - Yeah, I had to. [laughter] 16:05 Didn't really want to; I had to. - That's one 16:09 of those required courses, right? - Yeah. - But you 16:12 know what? We don't remember much of it. 16:15 - That's true, yeah. - Because we didn't 16:16 use it for anything. - Mhm. Good; I was 16:19 afraid he was gonna ask me something and I was 16:21 gonna have to know... - Better you than me. 16:23 - No, yeah. - You could certainly answer those 16:25 questions better than I. - No, but you also probably 16:28 took basic math where you learned to add and 16:31 subtract, right? - Yeah. - But you remember that, 16:33 right? - Absolutely. - Why? Because you use it. - Yeah, 16:35 that's right. - You know, you use it daily. - Yeah, 16:37 I was a carpenter for many years. - Okay, 16:39 so... - So, I really needed that. - And 16:41 you learned some geometry. - Yeah. - And I bet I could 16:43 ask you a question about how to build a building 16:45 related to geometry, and you could just tell me 16:47 like that. - Don't ask me any, but I can build 16:50 buildings. - He can! - Exactly, because why? 16:54 You used that skill that you learned. And so, we 16:56 feel that application is one of the keys to 17:00 education that has been, to some degree, neglected. 17:03 - Mhm. - And we learn a lot of theoretical 17:06 stuff. Even today, we send students to college 17:09 and they come out, and then they get the real 17:12 world and they're like, "What do I do now?" 17:14 - Absolutely. - Well, it should be that we 17:17 know something and have real skills when we come 17:20 out of school. - It is interesting that we 17:22 just spoke of heaven. The Bible says that 17:24 we'll do the work of our hands once we're in heaven. 17:28 In other words, we'll plant vineyards, and 17:30 we'll do the work. So as you said, continuing 17:32 education won't just be all in one area; it's 17:37 gonna be in the physical: out doing things, which 17:39 is amazing. Now, more recently, I think you 17:42 got into some building. Speaking of building 17:44 or trades, tell us a little bit what's happening 17:47 on that end, or just students... Are they 17:50 building houses, or...? What's happening? 17:52 - Well, we have had, for a long time, a housing 17:56 need on our campus. - Mhm. - We've had less housing 18:00 than we have- we have more need than we have 18:04 houses. And so, in addition to that, we've had some of 18:07 our staff have been living in mobile homes. 18:10 Now, mobile homes are a good solution maybe 18:13 temporarily. - Right. - But a long-term solution 18:16 is... They don't really work that well for that. 18:19 So, we are in a process right now of building 18:23 some new staff homes. - Wow. - That will replace 18:26 our mobile homes and give us additional housing 18:28 so that our staff have a respectable place to 18:32 live. - They should! They should. They work 18:34 for it. - These are not extravagant homes; 18:38 they're about 1400 sq ft, 3 bedroom, 2 bath, a 18:41 little garage...but they're very nice. And the students 18:44 are learning so many things helping to build them. - So 18:48 the students are part of the actual building of the 18:51 homes as well! - Yes! - This is really good! 18:54 I'm loving the idea of the application of the 18:58 education, because so often... You know, you're 19:02 in school, and you're learning the academic 19:04 part, as you had said before, and then you 19:07 get out, and then you have to get the experience. 19:09 But the students are getting experience as 19:13 they learn the academics! And so, that is such a 19:17 great marriage to me. I think that it's really 19:20 important. And it's also important, I think, 19:22 for character development, because they're learning... 19:29 I interviewed someone on Dare to Dream once, 19:31 an author, and he wrote a book called How Children 19:35 Succeed. And basically, it was saying that it's 19:39 not just about academics; it's about character 19:41 development, perseverance, and determination, and 19:44 all of these things. And so, that's how they 19:47 succeed. So, you are helping students to be 19:51 successful in life, because not only are 19:54 they having the academic piece, but they're also 19:56 having the character development piece, and 19:58 that is so important. - Yeah. And for me 20:02 as an employer, someone comes to me and they 20:05 want to work in, say, the studio, and they 20:08 say, "Well, I studied some in school a little 20:10 bit," or, "I've gone on the internet and 20:12 I've looked at how to run a camera," but if 20:14 I say, somebody comes and says, "Hey, I was 20:16 taught, and I've already got experience, so"... 20:18 Here are your students. Some of those can come 20:20 away and say, "I've already done this. I've 20:22 done some building, I've done some electrical, 20:24 I've done plumbing, I've done framing, I've done 20:26 gardening, I've done"... You've actually- now, 20:29 you've got somebody. Say, "Okay, now we 20:31 don't just have the textbook; now we got the whole 20:34 complete package." - That's right. - I mean, that's 20:36 a great advantage. - Really great advantage. 20:39 - If you know...or you wouldn't be doing it. 20:41 - I got my education at Harbert Hills Academy, 20:44 and I've learned a lot of things in my life. I 20:46 went to school after Harbert Hills Academy. 20:48 I attended Southwestern Adventist College and then 20:51 Walla Walla College, and went away with a degree 20:53 in engineering; worked in that field for about 20:56 10 years. But when I came back to Harbert 20:59 Hills, I recognized something. I said, 21:02 "Do you know what? Most of the stuff I 21:03 use every day is what I learned right here." 21:06 - Okay! - And so, the fact that I can build a house 21:10 and I can do wiring and I can do plumbing, and 21:12 I can do those kinds of things. Those are 21:14 things I learned there. I didn't learn that in 21:16 college. - And that's... - I learned that with 21:18 the practical part of the program right there. 21:21 - Wonderful. I wanted to talk about how you 21:24 got into media. I mean, you seem to be getting 21:27 into all... You know, Jesus said, "Go ye 21:30 into all the world," so you're training 21:32 the students. But back some... How long ago 21:34 was it before y'all said, "We want to get into 21:38 media," whether it's radio, television, print, 21:40 or page, "but we should be there." Tell us how 21:43 that started. - Well, it's an interesting 21:45 journey, because we didn't really say that. 21:48 - Oh, okay. [laughter] - Here's what happened: 21:50 we had a staff member. His name was Albert 21:53 Nielsen-fine man. He had worked there at 21:55 the school for years, and he came to the 21:57 board of directors one day and he said, "I'd 22:01 like to start a radio station. Would you 22:03 be willing to allow me to do that?" And the 22:06 board looked at him and said, "You must be from 22:09 another planet." [laughter] "You know that we have 22:12 a hard time buying the groceries to feed 22:15 these students and paying the bills... 22:18 Radio station? How would we ever do that?" And 22:21 he just said, "Well, let me ask a question. 22:25 If I could find the money, would you let me start 22:29 it and shelter it here at this school? Because I 22:32 need a corporation to shelter it." And they 22:34 said, "Okay. Brother Nielsen, it's fine. If 22:38 you can get some money together, we'll let you 22:39 start the radio station." What they didn't know 22:42 is that his mother was going to leave him some 22:44 inheritance money. - Oh... - And he had a passion 22:48 to see this happen, but we didn't understand. 22:50 I say "we"; the board didn't understand what 22:52 he was doing, but I believe he was under 22:55 the influence of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy 22:58 Spirit had prompted him to do this thing. He 23:00 had the ability to take nothing and make 23:06 something. You know? Some people have that. 23:08 - Sure. - He could take baling wire and masking 23:10 tape and make a transmitter, okay? [laughter] That's 23:13 the kind of ability he had. And because of 23:18 that ability, he was actually able to pass 23:20 his Class I FCC license test, and he began 23:25 to assemble the needed parts and put together a 23:27 radio station. Well, we didn't have a 23:29 tower. He said, "I've gotta have a tower. 23:30 What am I gonna do?" So, a local guy came 23:33 by and he said, "Listen, I'd like to just donate 23:37 my car to you guys." And so, he donated this 23:41 old Cadillac to the school. And Mr. Nielsen saw it, 23:44 but he didn't see a Cadillac. - Uh-oh. - He saw a tower. 23:47 - Come on now. [laughter] - And he said, "Would 23:50 you be willing to let me have this car for 23:53 the radio station work here?" And he saw an 23:56 ad in the paper somewhere up here in Illinois somewhere. 23:59 Someone had a tower they wanted to sell, 24:03 and he called them up. He said, "How 24:05 about this: I'm starting a little radio station, and 24:07 I've got a Cadillac I'd like to trade you for 24:08 your tower." And they said, "Done." - Okay! 24:12 - So, we drove that old Cadillac up here to Illinois 24:15 and parked it in this guy's parking lot and 24:18 hoped that we never had to see it again. - Yeah. 24:21 - And he sent us out to this field where 24:23 there was this tower that had been dropped on the 24:25 ground. - Mm, mm... - And you know what 24:26 happens when you drop a tower. - Mhm. - It bends 24:28 up some of the parts. - Yeah, absolutely. - We 24:30 took it apart and loaded it in a U-Haul truck and 24:32 hauled it home and built a tower with that, and 24:36 that's how it got started. He had a passion to see 24:38 this happen, and he wouldn't let anything 24:40 stand in his way. A lack of equipment was nothing 24:43 to him. - Right. - Because he'd just pray his way 24:45 through it and ask the Lord to help him know what 24:47 to do, and if it was a Cadillac for a tower 24:48 or whatever it was... But he ultimately got 24:52 a license for a 100,000-watt station. - Wow, that's 24:55 great. - Now, in the late '60s, early '70s, 24:57 that was okay; you could do that, because radio 25:00 wasn't the same thing it is today. - Right. 25:02 - But you could never get that license today. 25:04 - Mhm. - Because the frequencies are all 25:06 taken up. - Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, you built 25:10 a radio station... And what'd you do 25:13 for programming? What year was this when you 25:15 first went on the air? - So actually, in the 25:17 early '70s, I worked at that radio station as 25:19 a student at Harbert Hills Academy. I was 25:22 over there- and we had turntables. You 25:23 know the old, big turntables, and you'd put the record 25:25 on it and you'd cue it up, and then you'd 25:28 would switch it on at the right time and the 25:30 music would play. That's what we did! - Yeah. 25:32 - And so, I'd work shifts there at the 25:33 radio station, never knowing that I'd be involved 25:35 in anything greater than that... So, we got 25:41 our programming from wherever we could get 25:44 it, and Mr. Nielsen had a very interesting personality. 25:49 He liked to study history; studied a lot of things, 25:51 and so he'd bring all these interesting programs 25:53 in, and we'd play them. So, it was kind of a 25:55 little bit...maybe the word's eclectic or 25:58 something. It was just like, it didn't really have 26:00 a theme, maybe, but it was a lot of stuff, and 26:02 it was educational radio, and we learned 26:04 a lot of things there. - Mhm! - And so, that 26:07 was the programming stream. Now, I came 26:09 back to Harbert Hills in 1991. And when 26:12 I came back, the radio station was kind of a 26:15 low point. When I say it was a low 26:16 point, due to lack of funds, you know 26:19 how it is, you do what you have to do with 26:21 what you have. - Sure. - And so, he was doing 26:23 that, and the transmitter was old and decrepit, 26:26 we would say, and on its last leg a few times 26:29 ago before. And he would just say, "Well, 26:33 we'll keep it going one more time." - Mhm. 26:35 - And I looked at that situation and I said, 26:37 "I don't know what there is to do for this. 26:39 It doesn't look hopeful to me." So, we kind of 26:42 went through a process there for a few years, 26:44 and in 1995 or '6, I had a guy call me 26:50 on the phone. He said, "I'd like to buy your 26:55 radio station. What do you take for it?" 26:57 And I went, wow-this guy might be serious! 27:01 I kind of smiled internally. This might be a great 27:04 opportunity to really get rid of this thing. 27:06 So I said, "Well, I don't know, but 27:08 I'll think about it." Hung up the phone... 27:11 ...and then I went to ASI. - Mhm. - And you 27:15 know what an inspiration ASI can be... At ASI, 27:18 I met Paul Moore, and he was involved in radio, 27:24 and I told him about the situation. He looked at 27:28 me and he said, "Whatever you do, please don't sell 27:32 that station." - Right. - He said, "You don't 27:34 understand what you've got. It may be on a 27:38 low down right now, but you have a real 27:40 opportunity to witness to your community through 27:42 this." He said, "Please don't sell it." I said, 27:45 "Well, what can we do?" He says, "Well, I'll help 27:47 you if I can. You just tell me what"... You 27:49 know. I said, "I don't know what to do!" 27:51 Well, I went back home, and we began to pray. 27:53 I said, "Lord"- because what had happened in the 27:56 meantime is the FCC had told us, "You have to go 27:58 down in power." [laughter] What they didn't know 28:01 is we were not at full power. We were broadcasting 28:04 off an old, decrepit transmitter just barely 28:07 getting out. But because of the license said 100,000 28:11 watts, he said, "You have to go down." 28:12 So, he had put an application- Mr. Nielsen put an application 28:15 to go down in power. And so I got home and I said, 28:18 "Are we going to let this thing go down in power? 28:20 What are we gonna do?" And I'm just praying and 28:21 praying and praying... I got up in the morning. 28:25 I was reading in Psalms 81 and it says this-verse 10: 28:29 "I am the Lord your God who brought you out 28:33 of the land of Egypt. Open your mouth wide and I will 28:37 fill it." - All right! - I went to the office, I 28:40 sat down with the group, and I said, "We're going 28:43 to have a 100,000-watt radio station." They said, 28:46 "What do you mean?" I said, "Well, I read this 28:48 verse of scripture. Do you believe the Bible?" 28:50 [laughter] "Well, yes, we believe the Bible!" I said, 28:53 "Well, good! Then let's do this!" And so, we began 28:56 the process, the Lord sent the funds, and in 28:58 a matter of a few months, 6-8 months, we were up 29:01 at 100,000 watts, and we were broadcasting now 29:05 to places that we'd never been before. - Sure. - And 29:08 we had taken on a consistent programming stream. And so 29:12 it was a real blessing, and we began to see 29:14 the impact of a radio station in a local community! 29:18 It was just amazing to see what God was doing- 29:23 to see Him supply the need, and then to see Him begin 29:26 to use this resource in the community to 29:29 impact the community. - Amen. - Well, that's 29:32 incredible. - So are the students actually the... 29:37 I don't want to say disc jockeys; that's so 29:39 dated. [laughter] But are they the... Thank 29:42 you. Are they the announcers and all that in there? - So, 29:45 we teach a class called Radio Broadcasting. And 29:48 in that class, they learn how to use their voice... 29:52 There's kind of a process to that. You know, on TV, 29:56 you got a face, and you can express yourself through 29:59 facial expressions and that kind of thing. But 30:01 in radio, you're just there. - Right. - And 30:04 you've got to use your voice to express yourself. 30:07 And so, we teach them that, and we teach them 30:10 how to run the automation systems and all the stuff 30:12 associated with running a little studio for the 30:16 radio station. They get some experience there. 30:19 They go over on Friday afternoons, and they 30:21 run live there for some hours and select the music 30:24 and do the announcing. And so, they're a part 30:27 of this and learning how to do this. You know, a 30:31 lot of little churches have Low Power FMs 30:33 now. - Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. - A lot of 30:36 times, they don't have anybody that knows 30:37 anything. They start one; they say, "We'd like to 30:39 have one," but they don't know. And so, to be able 30:42 to send some students out that have that training... 30:45 - No, that's incredible. Like 3ABN, I talked 30:47 to Angela Lomacang recently. We have nearly a network 30:50 of almost 400 radio stations around the world. A lot 30:54 of those are those Low Power, but we need 30:56 people to know how to operate those and to 30:59 run those. Now, you talked about the radio 31:02 not being seen. When we first started 3ABN, I told 31:05 some of my friends that we were building a television 31:08 station, and they said, "No, you should build a 31:11 radio." And I said, "Why?" And they said, "'Cause 31:13 you have a face for radio, not television." - No... 31:16 [laughter] - I said they're friends; I guess 31:19 they were. Maybe I'm too dumb to figure that 31:22 one out. But they said, "You've really got a radio 31:24 look about you." - No... Not true. - A hidden 31:28 look. So, doing this, if... I'm gonna guess. 31:33 Now, I'm not a prophet or a son of a prophet. 31:36 I'm gonna say, once you get in the Lord's work 31:38 and once you really get going and you get this 31:41 100-watt station, everything to this day has just been 31:44 a barrel of fun, a bed of roses, they say, and 31:47 all of this stuff... Probably, this never had a... The radio 31:50 station's never had a problem. Is that right, 31:52 or am I wrong a little bit? - Well, I want to 31:55 tell you the first problem we had. - Okay. - And that 31:57 was when we just bought a used transmitter 32:00 out of Texas. - Mhm. - And we brought it in. We're 32:03 going to put it on the air. We're not even on the air 32:05 yet with the 100,000 watts, because we needed a new 32:08 transmitter. But new was used to us at that point! 32:10 - Sure. - So we bought this transmitter, and 32:12 we brought it there. We tried everything. I had 32:16 two engineers there that knew more about this thing 32:19 than you and I could know in a lifetime. They took it 32:21 all apart and laid it out on a table and put 32:23 it back together and plugged it in...it wouldn't 32:25 work. We took it apart again, laid it out on the 32:27 table, and put it back together...it wouldn't 32:28 work. And I'm going like, "What's the deal here? 32:32 I mean, are we even gonna have a radio station? We 32:35 spent all this money now to upgrade, but are we 32:37 even going to have one?" And the third time, we 32:40 took it apart, put it back together...it still wouldn't 32:42 work. - Mm. - So, by that time, I was kind of wondering. 32:47 But one of the engineers says, "Ah, I think we ought 32:49 to change the length of this cable." And I said, 32:52 "What is the length of a cable have to do with 32:54 anything?" They said, "Well, you never know 32:55 in radio, different things impact..." 32:57 - Sure. - He changed the length of the cable, 32:58 plugged it in, it worked. - Okay! - Wow. - Well, 33:01 all of that to say, God was training me, and 33:05 I didn't know it. - Okay. - Because our founder, 33:10 Albert Nielsen at that point... We didn't know 33:13 it, but he had bladder cancer...and a few months 33:15 later, he was dead. I was left with a radio 33:20 station that I didn't know anything about. But I 33:24 did know something, because I had been trained. We 33:26 teared the transmitter apart a couple of times. - Yeah, 33:28 okay. - So, I felt comfortable working on it and at least 33:32 knowing I could open the door and close it. 33:33 - Sure. Yeah. - And so, that is one of the challenges 33:38 we had in the beginning... But God was working 33:41 even through these difficulties, we're still working, providing 33:44 the training, providing us with what we needed. 33:47 It's been a journey of faith, honestly, because 33:52 you know how it is in broadcasting work. At 33:54 least for us, we're a listener-supported station. 33:58 We don't have the funds to just pay all the bills, 34:00 but we invite our listeners to help us! 34:02 - Right. - And that's been a journey of faith, really, 34:04 because when you've got a transmitter of the size 34:08 we've had to have on the air, it eats a lot of 34:10 electricity. The bills are expensive, but God has 34:14 been faithful in providing. He's helped me to know 34:19 how to do things I could never do. - Mhm. - You 34:21 know, you open the equipment, maybe you're 34:22 looking, "I have no idea what's wrong with this 34:24 thing!" - Sure. - And you get an impression, "Well, 34:25 look here, look there, check this, check that," 34:27 and pretty soon, it's working again. And you're going, 34:29 "Praise the Lord! I don't know how to fix this thing, 34:31 but it's fixed!" - I want to go a little bit now... 34:35 I'm gonna bring us to the recent past. The 34:39 radio station-everything's going well. But all of a 34:43 sudden, you get a-and you'll explain this to the 34:46 viewers-you got a hit. Lightning hit on your 34:49 station. I think you even have a few pictures and 34:52 in a little bit they'll show you, but tell us 34:54 what in the world happened to this radio station and 34:57 how much damage did occur? - So, I was in the country 35:03 of Colombia. And some of my other duties, 35:05 with ASI and, actually, with OCI, and I was 35:09 down there doing some meetings for OCI and 35:12 doing some training down there for-leadership 35:13 training-for the ministries. And it's the night before I'm 35:17 to come home, and it's like 11 o'clock at night 35:20 where I'm at, and I'm getting these text 35:22 messages. "We got problems. We're having 35:24 a huge lightning storm on campus." My wife 35:27 texted me and she said, "I think the windows are 35:29 going to blow out or something. This is a terrible storm." 35:31 I went, "Oh, my!" And so, pretty soon someone's 35:35 putting on the text message, "I smell smoke." 35:37 And I said, "Somebody smells smoke? That's bad! 35:40 Something's burning!" And so pretty soon, 35:44 somebody else said, "I smell smoke!" I said, 35:46 "Will somebody get in their car and go see what's 35:48 burning?!" [laughter] Because something's 35:50 burning if everybody's smelling smoke. You know 35:52 the old adage: "Where there's smoke, there 35:53 might be some fire"? But they couldn't see 35:56 anything, because the transmitter building's 35:57 about 2,000 ft from campus. But pretty soon, 36:00 somebody got that far out, and they saw this 36:02 glow, and they called the fire department. 36:04 And when I heard that, I said, "Oh, my. We got 36:06 bigger problems." I said, "If they go in there, 36:07 start squirting water on this, there's a 10,000-volt 36:10 transformer in there, and it's going to be 36:13 problems." And so, they showed up. I tried to send 36:17 text messages through, "Please, be careful." I 36:19 didn't want anybody to get hurt! I said, "The 36:21 equipment is one thing, but getting somebody 36:22 hurt is another problem." And so they went out, 36:24 and they put the fire out. I came home the 36:28 next day. My flight was scheduled early 36:30 that next morning; I came home. I went straight out 36:32 to the transmitter building, and I just stood there and 36:35 looked at it. You know how things kind of affect 36:37 you? - Ooh... Look at that. It's like that, we 36:40 have in Johnston City, that little transmitter 36:42 shack (that's what they call that). - You look 36:44 inside then, and you look at the equipment that 36:46 was getting out the good news, and you go in your 36:51 mind, you begin to say, "Lord, what is happening 36:54 here? Why could this be happening to us now?" 36:59 - I mean, that's total destruction. It looks 37:01 like you bombed it. - Yeah. It was just ashes and 37:04 some melted equipment was all that was left. 37:07 - Mm, mm, mm. - And as much as I have this 37:10 inward desire to say, "Okay, everything's 37:13 fine," when you're in a crisis like that, your 37:16 mind is just going. So, my mind went this way; 37:19 my mind said, "All right." I'm an action kind of person. 37:24 "Let me go on the internet. I'm gonna search. I'll 37:29 find a used transmitter." And I did! I found one 37:31 very similar to the one we had. I said, "Ooh- 37:33 that's in Oregon. I can send somebody to Oregon, 37:35 we can buy that transmitter, we can rebuild this thing, 37:37 we'll be back on the air before too long, and we 37:40 can get out there again." And then I stopped, and 37:44 I began to ask myself this question: "Is that 37:48 really what God would want?" x2 The devil's 37:52 got a blow in here, right? He's put a blow in, he's 37:56 brought this thing down... God could've protected 37:59 it, but He chose not to... There must be some purpose 38:02 here. I said, "You know what? I'm going back to 38:08 my Bible." And that verse in Psalms 81, "Open your 38:13 mouth wide, and I will fill it." And I said, "You 38:16 know, we're not going to rebuild with any 38:18 used equipment." - Okay! - I said, "That's not... 38:20 I don't believe that would be pleasing to the Lord." 38:23 - Mhm. - I said, "We could for a few...maybe 38:25 $20-30,000, I go out and buy some used stuff, and 38:28 we get back on the air, but I don't believe that 38:30 would be pleasing to the Lord." I said, "We're 38:32 going to go"... I said, "I know that it's going to be 38:34 expensive, but we're going to buy new equipment, 38:37 and this digital age now will allow us to do more 38:41 than we have ever done before. For God's glory, 38:46 let's rebuild this thing and really put it on the 38:48 map." - Absolutely, and that's what I wanted 38:50 our viewers to know the reason you were not 38:52 above buying used, but buying used is buying 38:56 old technology. - Yeah. - So, you're thinking ahead, 39:00 which is a very smart and wise and prudent 39:02 thing to do is to say, "We're going to go with 39:04 new technology." Tell us what you can do with 39:07 digital technology. - So, the digital world today 39:10 allows you to have a transmitter that occupies 39:13 the same bandwidth. In other words, it doesn't 39:15 step on other people's radio station, but you 39:19 can put three or four channels where there 39:21 was only one. So, digital radio's kind of... It's been 39:25 around for a while, but it's the best technology 39:29 there is today. - And we just happen to know 39:31 where he can get some extra channels-radio 39:34 channels. - Yes! - And I said to myself, "I know 39:37 3ABN has a radio channel, and I know 3ABN has a 39:41 Spanish channel," and I've had this burden for a long 39:43 time to see a Spanish broadcast in our area... 39:46 but I didn't know how to do it. But the devil opened 39:51 that door for me! - He sure did. - I believe the 39:53 devil didn't know it. - Nuh-uh. - But I believe 39:55 He wanted the gospel to go in a more powerful 39:57 way. - Absolutely! - And so right now, we are 40:01 selecting equipment and building the station back, 40:04 and God has just blessed abundantly and opened 40:08 the windows of heaven, and we can build back 40:11 with brand-new new technology, digital 40:14 technology, that will allow us to do a better 40:17 job of bringing honor to God. - Amen. - What 40:22 do you think? - I think it's amazing. I think, 40:24 you know, it's so... God allows certain things 40:27 to happen to draw us closer to Him and also 40:31 to enhance our circumstances in some way, and that's 40:36 what He's done. He's opened up your mind 40:39 to say, "Well, let's not use used equipment; 40:42 let's get something new." And as you said, Danny, 40:45 and it's so important to stay abreast of the 40:48 technology, because it's always changing and you 40:51 could get something that's obsolete. You're paying 40:53 less, but it's obsolete. Get something that has to do 40:57 with what's going on now, and then you can stay 40:59 up with it. So, I think that's beautiful. - I was 41:03 thinking about this and I said, "You know, that's 41:06 a lot of money. It's gonna be like a quarter 41:08 million dollars just for the basic stuff we need." 41:11 That's a lot of money. But I said, "You know 41:13 what? If there's one soul that would be reached 41:18 because of this, it's worth the investment." 41:21 - There'll be many more than that. - That's right. 41:23 - Yeah! And likely to be many more than that. 41:25 But if it was just one, and someday we look 41:29 back and say, "We invested a quarter million dollars to 41:31 save a soul," praise God because Jesus invested 41:33 His life. He didn't hold anything back. He said 41:37 the whole treasury of heaven was poured out 41:39 in Jesus, and He came here. He didn't hold 41:41 anything back. He said, "Well, I'm gonna save 41:43 some for later." He gave it all. - And for our 41:45 viewers at home, we of course- television is 41:50 our main focus, has been for years... At least, we 41:53 talk about it and you see us there, but as 41:55 we mentioned our radio stations are up to nearly 41:58 300 owned and affiliate, or 400 owned and affiliate 42:01 stations. But radio, if you go to our local 42:05 church, and we're here out in the country as you 42:07 saw, we have numerous people-I don't know- 42:10 12, 15... I would be guessing. I know there's 42:13 more than I can count at hand of people, Steve, 42:16 as you know, just have walked in the church and said, 42:19 "I'm here from listening to 3ABN Radio." Now, 42:25 we get it with television, but radio... There's many 42:26 people-walked in, baptized at our church (probably from 42:30 3ABN Radio as television in the area), so it's very 42:33 powerful. And so what you have there, people 42:36 are driving down the road, they can't watch 42:38 television when they're driving down the road, 42:40 you know, and you turn the radio on, and so we 42:44 have a full-power station here, too-95.9 in the 42:47 local area-and these people are listening 42:49 to 3ABN Radio. And they walk in, just like the ones 42:52 do and say, "We're ready to be baptized." - Amen! 42:55 - And just recently, Pastor John was telling 42:57 me another couple or two that came in. So 42:59 between television and radio, it's amazing. So 43:02 that's why we're excited to be able to work with 43:04 you and to... We know the results, you know 43:07 the results, and now you're going to be 43:09 able to do greater things for God than you were 43:11 able to do before, because the devil said, "Well, I'm 43:13 going to take them out." But he underestimated 43:17 you and the power of God and your determination, 43:20 because it's not like your first rodeo, 43:22 as they say. You've been in ministry 28 years. 43:25 I guarantee you you've been to a bunch of rodeos. 43:28 So, what we don't say is give up. - Exactly. 43:31 - So, "Okay, God. How are you going to bring 43:32 us out of this one?" - That's right. - Right 43:34 now, what they're facing is, of course, that quarter 43:36 million dollars. You may have some or 43:38 part of it done. I'm sure you don't have all of 43:40 it, the radio, but tell our viewers what we 43:44 can do to help with this. - Let me tell you, Danny, 43:48 what God has done. He has, to His glory, provided 43:55 all the funds for the radio work. - Wow! 43:58 That is amazing. - To do this quarter million 44:02 dollar rebuild, He provided that. - That's amazing. 44:04 - It's absolutely amazing. But what He has done... 44:07 He didn't stop there. - Okay. - I called 3ABN 44:10 to get some counsel, and I was talking with 44:13 your engineer here. - Moses. - And we began to talk 44:17 about the fact that we've had an application in for 44:21 a TV station for a while and we got the construction 44:24 permit. But you know what the FCC's been 44:26 doing with those frequencies and stuff, so it's been 44:29 sitting dormant. But we found out that our license 44:34 to construct the TV station is now open. - Wow. - With 44:39 a dedicated frequency that we can build there. 44:40 - Wow. Isn't that amazing? - So what I would like to 44:44 do is appeal to the 3ABN audience to take this 44:47 thing to the next level. - Okay. - Because God 44:50 has opened the door for us through this tragedy 44:54 to now do the Low Power TV, as well. - Okay. - And 44:58 He has provided so abundantly at this point 45:01 that I am sitting here today in full confidence 45:04 that He's going to provide what we need to get that 45:06 Low Power TV on the air, as well. - Absolutely. 45:10 - And to be a 3ABN affiliate in that area, broadcasting 45:15 the good news of Jesus to people in that area. 45:19 They tell us that the budget is about $100,000 45:21 for this. - Yeah. Yeah. - But I believe that God 45:25 has this, and I want to tell you why. I 45:28 was sitting in my office about a few days after 45:30 I got home from my trip and I found out what 45:33 happened. I've been through the ashes and 45:35 we're starting to clean things up, and I had 45:37 begun to process what we needed to do for 45:40 fundraising, and I was just sitting there 45:41 and making some phone calls, and this little girl 45:45 came to my door. She said, "Mr. Steve? Are 45:48 you busy right now?" And of course that, 45:52 in my case, is the question that always, "Yes, I'm 45:54 always busy, but it's okay." So I said, "No, 45:56 come on in! Sit down. What can I do for you?" 45:59 And another little girl popped her head around 46:02 the door, and so I saw there were two of them, 46:03 and they live there on our campus. She sat 46:06 down and she said, "You know, we're worried about 46:09 the radio station." I said, "Really?" She says, 46:13 "Yeah." She said, "So, we want to make a 46:17 donation." And I say, "Well, how nice. That's 46:21 so nice of you to want to make a donation." 46:24 And she handed me an envelope, and in that 46:29 envelope, there was $767. - Oh, praise the Lord. - She said, 46:35 "You know, I think it's more important that 46:37 people be able to hear about Jesus than it is 46:41 for me to have a playhouse." She says, "My sister and I 46:44 have been saving money for our little playhouse." 46:47 She says, "But we want to give this to the radio 46:50 station." - Wow. - I just sat there and I said, 46:53 "God's got this." [laughter] It is no problem for Him. 46:57 - Absolutely. - Put your worries aside; the Lord 47:01 is going to do this thing. - Mhm. - And it's 47:04 just amazing to see what God does with little things. 47:07 - Yeah. Little is much when God is in it. - That's 47:10 right. - And so, we're sitting now, facing this 47:14 opportunity to now put a TV antenna and a TV 47:18 transmitter in this new building and on this same 47:22 tower, and I believe God will be glorified when we 47:26 do that. - Yeah. Isn't that great how the Lord 47:28 works? - It is. God is amazing. - Looked like 47:31 it was going to be devastation, and all 47:32 of a sudden comes out a radio that's doing 47:36 different languages- even doing Spanish 47:38 as well as the English- then television. And so, 47:42 I mean, this is really... Pardon this, but it's 47:44 a real kick in the pants to the devil and his work, right? 47:47 And see the pants. But that's what God 47:49 does. He's in the business of creating things. So, what 47:53 we want you to do, we want you to pray and 47:54 ask the Holy Spirit what He would have you to 47:57 do. Now, I want to give you just a minute before 47:59 we put the address on the screen, but I want 48:01 you to get ready to take it down and as 48:03 the Holy Spirit's impressing, you'll want to send a 48:06 tax deductible love gift to Harbert Hills 48:08 Academy, because this is an incredible opportunity- 48:12 and that's why we wanted you to come here. I talked 48:14 to our friend Garwin McNeilus some weeks ago, and he 48:17 was telling me about it. He sent me pictures. 48:21 I mean, this looked like... I mean, it was a total 48:24 bomb-out. It's like, really-sometimes, you 48:26 get a hit in just certain- you know. But this is 48:29 like- destroyed everything. And so, we started talking, 48:32 and he was asking me questions and then 48:34 said, "Why don't you talk to Steve and see 48:36 what we can do?" And I said, "Absolutely. Let's 48:38 do it." It's just beginning. - Yes. - It's gonna happen, 48:43 so we want you in about a year from now to be 48:46 sitting down, should the Lord tarry, and bring 48:48 some of the folk who've come to know Jesus and 48:51 been baptized in the church from watching and listening 48:54 to 3ABN Radio and whatever other programming you have 48:57 there. So, absolutely. - What an opportunity 49:00 to witness to the community and to evangelize the community 49:05 in a way that- you know, media- there's no better 49:08 way than media to me, because you will enter 49:12 the homes or into the cars, or whatever, and 49:15 that's how people can hear about Jesus...and 49:18 it's just amazing. So, what an amazing opportunity. 49:20 - It is an amazing opportunity, and I'm 49:23 just confident that God's going to do something 49:25 amazing for us, and we're going to look back a year 49:27 from now and just continue to praise Him. I shared with 49:31 some folks recently- well, the newspaper asked me 49:34 to do a story about the fire, and so I wrote the 49:36 story and I sent it to him, and the guy called 49:38 me. He said, "Why? You're just sounding like this is a 49:41 good thing!" [laughter] And I said, "Well, what 49:45 else do you do? It's done; we gotta go 49:47 forward." - Mhm. - And he was just amazed that- 49:51 the positive attitude. "We're gonna do this. 49:53 God's gonna bless this." And it's a real opportunity 49:57 just to witness to the community, too, that the 49:59 devil took it down, but God brought it back 50:02 stronger. - Amen. - All right. I think it- and 50:04 as old as I am, I can use the word as "fun". 50:07 It's fun serving the Lord and watching what God is 50:10 gonna do, 'cause we don't know what He's 50:12 gonna do, but we know it's gonna be good. - That's 50:14 right. - Right? For we know that all things 50:17 work together for good to who? - Them that love 50:20 the Lord and are the called according to His 50:22 purpose. - Amen. - And who is that? That's 50:24 all of us. That's all of us who's willing, 50:26 right? As we said in the beginning, if we 50:28 come to Jesus, we're all sinners, we're all 50:31 saved by grace; and if we confess our sins, 50:34 faithful and just He is to forgive us from our 50:36 sins, cleanse us from all unrighteousness... 50:39 Then He says this: "Go ye into all the 50:41 world." But Stevie says, "All power is given me 50:45 in heaven and earth." - Exactly. - Go ye therefore. 50:47 So now... I mean, immediately. So 50:50 what's saying is, "Okay, looks like the end of 50:52 the road of this TV station... No, it's just 50:54 the beginning, 'cause all power, I'm gonna 50:57 transfer that to you. And if you go in My 50:59 name, I will open those doors." As Dr. Walt used 51:02 to say, "I've counted my resources." The 51:03 Lord said, "And advance found that I'm not wanting." 51:06 So Steve, go forward, Savannah,? to that 51:10 whole entire area, television and radio 51:12 for Jesus. What an incredible, incredible 51:14 testimony and opportunity, and we want YOU to have 51:18 the opportunity to be a part of this. So what 51:20 we're going to do now, we're going to go to an 51:22 address roll. You pray and ask the Holy Spirit 51:24 what He would have you to do. Now, if you don't 51:26 get this down for any reason, you can call 51:28 3ABN. We will give you their contact information, 51:32 but we're going to go to that now, and then 51:34 we're gonna go to a newsbreak and come 51:35 back for a closing thought. 51:39 If the Lord impresses you to support Harbert 51:41 Hills Academy and their media ministry and the 51:44 rebuild of their radio station, please send 51:46 your donation or other support to Harbert 51:50 Hills Academy 3575 Lonesome Pine Road 51:54 Savannah, Tennessee 38372. That's Harbert Hills Academy 51:59 3575 Lonesome Pine Rd Savannah, TN 38372. 52:07 You can call (731) 925-3098. That's (731) 925-3098. 52:15 Or, you can find them online at www.HarbertHills.org. |
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