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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:05 Spend my life 00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:27 Let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today program. 01:12 Thank you for joining us as you do each and every day. 01:15 Thank you for your love and your prayers 01:16 and financial support of 3ABN as we endeavor 01:19 to take this great gospel of the kingdom 01:22 into all the world. 01:23 Today, I have some special guest, 01:25 my co-host here, 01:27 I don't know if we've ever co-hosted... 01:28 I don't believe we have Danny. 01:30 You know, host and co-host together. 01:31 And I have Brother Dan Houghton, 01:33 and he's president of the Hart Research Center. 01:36 And, Dan, it's such a privilege to have you here today. 01:38 Thank you, Danny. 01:40 It's delight for me to be here as well. 01:41 We've been known each other a long time. 01:43 It has since about 1985. 01:45 Big Sky, Montana. That's right. 01:46 ASI you were doing the cassettes. 01:48 That's right. 01:49 That's first opportunity, we had to talk about 3ABN. 01:51 That's right. 01:53 And I've been friends with your family and Karen, 01:54 the boys for ever since. 01:56 Appreciate what you do for the gospel of God. 01:57 Thank you so much. 01:58 And we're great supporters of 3ABN, Danny. 02:00 I know you are. 02:02 And speaking of supporters and people, they're friends, 02:04 we have Brother Mark, finally Pastor Mark. 02:06 Hey, good to see you, my friend. 02:07 Great to have you here. 02:08 And of course, he's the assistant 02:10 to the president of the General Conference. 02:12 And Mark has worn numerous hats 02:15 over the many, many years from back 02:17 there's written and before that evangelist, 02:19 so probably all the people I know 02:22 on the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 02:24 you've been there, Mark, 02:25 for so many years as somebody to look up to, 02:28 you help us when it comes to evangelism, 02:30 when it comes to keeping us in a straight narrow 02:33 to the Word of God. 02:34 And thank you for you and Tony for the great work 02:37 that you do. 02:38 And it's been a privilege working with you 02:40 over the years. 02:42 In the last couple years, 02:43 we've done a lot of programs together, right? 02:44 Lot of programs, 44 programs, in fact, 02:47 just have finished this week 13 new programs 02:50 on the Three Angels' Messages. 02:52 Well, that's going to be coming out shortly. 02:53 So we'll keep you all advised when that's happening. 02:56 And then of course, 02:57 we have our own Pastor John Lomacang, 02:59 our 3ABN World Evangelism director here today. 03:03 And, pastors, good to have you. 03:05 Always good to be here on the program of such gravity. 03:08 There's spiritual parallels to this, which we talked about. 03:12 And we want to also encourage 03:14 those who are watching or listening 03:16 that there's a better future than what we see right now. 03:19 Absolutely. Amen. 03:20 Speaking of that, that's a good segue. 03:22 We're here for a reason today. 03:24 This is the first time in 35 years of ministry 03:27 that I can look into the camera and say, 03:29 "We're gonna be talking to you today about something 03:32 that everybody in the world is talking about. 03:34 And that's a huge statement, isn't it? 03:36 It is. 03:37 Never been able to make that 03:39 and maybe not again till the Second Coming. 03:41 But at least, you know, today's the day. 03:44 And, Dan, we've asked you here for a reason. 03:47 And we have some other guests that's coming in by Skype. 03:50 Why don't you talk to our audience... 03:51 Okay. 03:52 At home and tell them what this program is all about? 03:55 Well, just a few weeks ago, if you heard the word corona, 03:58 you might have thought of a town 03:59 about 45 minutes 04:01 from where I live in Southern California, 04:02 Corona, California. 04:03 And maybe along the way, 04:05 I saw a billboard 04:06 that had some kind of a beer advertisement 04:08 said Corona beer. 04:09 But all of a sudden, just a few weeks ago, 04:11 the word coronavirus came into our nomenclature. 04:14 We started hearing that. 04:16 And now that's what you're talking about, Danny, 04:18 that everybody in the world is talking about coronavirus 04:21 and specifically, the COVID-19 variety of a coronavirus. 04:27 And today, we have two special guests 04:30 that are joining us by Skype. 04:32 One of them is Dr. Neil Nedley, 04:34 who is the president of Weimar Institute 04:36 in California, 04:38 a very good friend and also someone 04:41 who is very proficient in his medical work, 04:44 someone who I deeply respect. 04:46 And also, Dr. Wes Youngberg from Temecula, California. 04:48 Dr. Youngberg is a very good friend as well. 04:51 Someone, Danny, who is very into the epidemiology, 04:55 the public health aspects of this in addition 04:58 to the clinical aspects of it. 04:59 And so they're joining us by Skype, 05:01 and we'll be talking with him here momentarily 05:03 in a few minutes. 05:04 But first, you know, the word pestilence 05:08 has been going around a little bit. 05:10 And, Pastor Mark, tell us a little bit 05:13 about what the Bible says about pestilence. 05:15 Well, the Bible uses the term pestilence 81 times. 05:20 I was looking at this last night. 05:23 It uses pestilence in a variety of ways. 05:26 It uses pestilence, 05:28 in the general sense of a pestilence 05:31 that comes upon a people or a nation 05:34 because we're living in a broken world. 05:36 We're living in a world of sickness and suffering 05:38 and heartache and sorrow. 05:40 So in one sense, 05:42 the Bible uses the word pestilence in that way, 05:44 the result of living in a world of sin. 05:47 The Bible also uses the word pestilence, 05:50 in some instances, 05:51 in the idea of the judgments of God, 05:53 the plagues on Egypt are called a pestilence at times. 05:58 When the Bible uses the term pestilence 06:01 in the context of the judgment of God. 06:03 It is often in God's permissive will. 06:06 It's not that God necessarily causes pestilence at times, 06:11 but it's rather that God withdraws His favor, 06:15 and the natural consequence comes in pestilence. 06:19 There are times that the Bible uses the term pestilence 06:22 in another way, 06:23 and that is as a sign of the coming of Jesus. 06:27 If you look, for example, at Luke 21:11, 06:32 the Bible says "There'll be great earthquakes, 06:34 in various places, famines and pestilences, 06:37 and there'll be fearful sights of great signs for heaven." 06:40 And now the question then becomes, 06:43 what about this current virus? 06:45 Is this a sign that Jesus is coming next week 06:48 or the week after? 06:49 Not at all! 06:50 What it does indicate 06:52 is that we're living in a world of uncertainty, 06:54 the signs that the Bible talks about 06:57 in Matthew 24, Luke 21 06:59 are being fulfilled around us today. 07:01 Do they precisely define a period of time 07:04 that Christ is going to come? 07:06 They do not. 07:07 But what they do, do is give you a scenario, 07:09 a scenario that helps you to understand signposts 07:13 on the way of Christ coming. 07:16 I think the greatest lesson we can learn 07:18 though in these pestilences 07:20 is life is very uncertain for all of us. 07:24 And if there ever is a time 07:27 to make a full commitment to Christ, it's now. 07:30 These signs indicate to us, 07:33 the need of every day of our life, 07:36 living a day of total dependence on God. 07:38 Amen. 07:40 You know, I was thinking, Dan, 07:41 if you turn on the television or radio, news, 07:44 everywhere, people are basically looking 07:46 at two ramifications of this, 07:48 and they're looking at the physical, 07:50 they're looking at the political. 07:52 That's right. You know? 07:53 But today, we want to look at, of course, the physical 07:55 but the spiritual. 07:57 So thank you, Mark and Pastor John, 07:59 and for our doctors that we have on the day 08:01 because there's hope in a world 08:04 that seems like everything is, 08:06 you know, when people are so confused, 08:08 it's good to know that we serve a God 08:10 that's big enough that He can solve any problem, 08:13 small enough to live within our hearts. 08:15 And today, that He has the answer, 08:17 and is the only answer 08:18 for this world's problems today. 08:20 John, a couple comments before we go to the doctors. 08:23 Well, Habakkuk 2 brings another picture 08:26 to this pandemic. 08:28 When it began in December of 2019, 08:32 there was no knowledge that it even existed. 08:35 And I saw the parallel there too, 08:37 when sin had a beginning point. 08:40 But then as it began to spread, sin affected all humanity. 08:45 Obviously, it began with a single person, 08:48 well sin began with a single person. 08:50 But the good news as we look at it today, 08:53 right now, the concern is that 08:55 where is it affecting the world? 08:57 How is the world being affected by it? 08:58 Well, Habakkuk 2:14, 09:01 "For the earth will be filled 09:03 with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, 09:06 as the waters cover the sea." 09:08 So right now, we're looking at this spreading 09:10 from neighborhood to community, to continent. 09:14 And now we look at a worldwide concern, 09:16 now the pandemic. 09:18 The good news that I'd like to communicate 09:20 out of all of this, 09:21 is there's something that's going to spread 09:23 and cover the world even larger than the pandemic. 09:26 And that is the three angels' messages. 09:28 That's right. 09:29 The gospel to get the world ready. 09:31 This is an indication of how near we are, 09:33 an uncertain world has passed, Mark Finley pointed out. 09:36 So in the midst of all of this uncertainty, 09:39 God already had an answer to the virus of sin, 09:44 and that is His righteousness. 09:46 So while people are filled with fear, 09:49 the best is yet to come. 09:51 We'll talk about that as we go on. 09:52 So the earth will be filled with knowledge of the Lord, 09:56 more than the COVID virus. 09:58 And that's the good news in the midst of bad news. 10:00 Amen. Very good news. 10:02 And I'm wondering, Dr. Nedley, 10:05 if we can ask you to respond to us, 10:07 to the viewers of 3ABN right now, and tell us... 10:10 I've read some things that say this is a flu. 10:13 I've read some other things in the media 10:15 that say it's really not a flu. 10:17 Would you describe for us 10:19 what the COVID-19 coronavirus really is medically? 10:24 Well, coronavirus, 10:26 before it coursed out was known to physicians as a common cold. 10:32 And so the coronavirus even today, 10:35 this novel coronavirus, 10:38 80% of the time 10:39 it's just going to cause cold like symptoms 10:44 or maybe no symptoms at all 10:46 if you have a good immune system. 10:48 If your immune system is compromised 10:50 or it's not great, 10:52 you are at high risk of developing pneumonia 10:56 with this COVID-19 coronavirus. 11:00 And that pneumonia can occur 11:01 and as much as 20% of individuals who contract it, 11:06 and then a small percentage of those with pneumonia 11:09 will go into what's called 11:11 acute respiratory distress syndrome. 11:14 That's where they need to be put 11:15 on high pressured ventilation to try to save their life. 11:19 And some of those are dying. 11:22 And so this is the concern now. 11:24 Coronavirus never caused pneumonia, 11:27 just caused cold before, 11:29 but this COVID-19 variant is picking off individuals 11:33 whose immune systems are compromised 11:36 and causing that premature death. 11:39 Okay. 11:41 Now I want to go over to Dr. Wes Youngberg now 11:43 because, Dr. Youngberg, 11:45 you and I have talked in the past about the pandemic 11:48 and Pastor John mentioned the pandemic element of this. 11:51 This started back in Jan or in December actually, 11:54 and in epidemiology, the public health world, 11:57 which is part of the world that you live in, 11:59 things go in geometric proportions sometimes. 12:03 Give us a little idea of where this has come from 12:06 and where it might be going. 12:08 Yes, Dan. 12:09 We were warned back in 12:14 on January the 31st 12:15 in the medical journal Lancet, 12:18 where the key authors from University of Hong Kong, 12:22 Dr. Gabriel Leung and other key faculty 12:26 and medical professors that are participating 12:30 in the WHO collaborating research centers, 12:33 they basically published way back on January the 31st 12:37 that this was going to go pandemic 12:39 because of the fact 12:43 that it was just spreading so rapidly. 12:45 The key issue we still keep hearing, 12:49 some of my own colleagues that I respect greatly 12:52 are still confusing this 12:54 in terms of the severity with the flu. 12:57 It is true that to date, 12:59 in the United States and even the world, 13:01 more people have died from the seasonal flu, 13:05 than from COVID-19. 13:07 But that is going to change. 13:09 If we know anything about COVID-19 13:11 based on the mathematic modeling 13:14 and the projections is that that will change definitively. 13:18 The flu has what we call an R0 or an infectivity, 13:23 a basic reproduction number of how many people 13:27 if I'm infected, 13:29 I will end up infecting as well. 13:31 The flu only has an R0 of 1.28 or 1.3, 13:35 meaning if I'm infected with the flu, 13:38 I'll end up infecting one in a third other person 13:41 and then that gradually spread throughout society. 13:44 The COVID-19 has an R0 of minimum of 2.2, 13:49 which is dramatically elevated, 13:53 but some projections go up as high as 6.7. 13:57 So this is very serious, 13:59 and we need to take this very seriously. 14:02 That's why the NBA on March 11 canceled all games. 14:08 That's why Pioneer Memorial Church, 14:11 as of March 12 has canceled 14:15 all in-person church services, 14:18 everything is going live in terms of online 14:22 like what we're doing right now. 14:24 The State of Michigan has declared medical emergency 14:30 and has basically told 14:31 all educational institutions and churches 14:35 that they should not be meeting in large groups. 14:39 And, you know, we've been saying this 14:42 for over six weeks in our presentations, Dan. 14:44 Yes. 14:46 And just a lot of people haven't been listening to this. 14:48 This is really, really serious. 14:50 Our churches should not be meeting 14:53 person to person right now. 14:54 It should all be going live. 14:56 If we don't make those decisions ourselves, 14:59 the government is going to eventually make them for us. 15:02 But in the meantime, 15:04 if we don't make those decisions, 15:07 people are going to get sick needlessly, 15:10 and many people will die needlessly. 15:12 This is a very, very critical issue. 15:15 And before I take questions, 15:16 the Harvard and Los Alamos National Laboratory 15:21 have been saying since late January, 15:26 early to mid-February, 15:28 that they're mathematic modelers, 15:31 with the best epidemiologists in the world 15:33 that understand how to project 15:35 or forecast what is to come very accurately. 15:39 They're saying that anywhere between 40% and 70% 15:44 of the world's entire population 15:47 will be infected, 15:48 not just exposed, but actually infected. 15:51 Now as Dr. Nedley has been saying, 15:54 we know that about 80% maybe even 85% of people 15:58 who get infected will either not know it, 16:01 and therefore be spreading it to other people, 16:04 or they will get mildly sick like kind of a normal 16:08 or mild to moderate flu symptoms 16:10 and then get over it. 16:12 The problem is that they're infecting people, okay? 16:15 So back to the issue with the flu, 16:17 the flu has a case fatality rate 16:21 of 0.1%. 16:24 It's very low, and even that low percentage 16:27 accounts for anywhere between 3,000 and 60,000 16:31 or more deaths in the United States every year 16:35 from the seasonal flu, okay? 16:37 But we should not confuse 16:40 what is about to happen with this 16:42 because with COVID-19, 16:45 the case fatality rate at minimum is 1%, 16:49 which is Dr. Anthony Fauci said on March 11, 16:55 10 times more deadly than the flu. 16:59 That's minimum, 17:00 that's the most conservative estimate possible. 17:04 Other studies and reports are coming out 17:07 that COVID-19 is at least 20 times more deadly. 17:12 In other words, the case fatality rate 17:14 is 20 times worse 17:16 than the seasonal flu and others. 17:19 And once the hospital systems 17:21 are no longer able to take care of patients, 17:24 that case fatality rate may go up dramatically, 17:29 meaning it's about 50 times more deadly than the flu. 17:32 So if you've been kind of dismissive 17:37 about the potential impact of COVID-19, in our country, 17:42 and in our personal lives, this is the time to act. 17:46 This is the time to wake up. 17:48 Just three weeks ago, 17:49 I did a sermon on the unpreparedness, 17:52 a sermon that was entitled, 17:54 "Wellness implications of the parable 17:58 of the ten virgins." 18:00 The questions are, 18:01 are we part of the five foolish virgins? 18:05 Or are we part of the five wise virgins?" 18:09 Remember, all of them weren't really well prepared. 18:11 But the ones that were wise 18:13 were the ones that acted quickly 18:15 and had some preparation before. 18:18 Well, I think that obviously, 18:21 one aspect for me is preparation 18:22 and trying to avoid getting it. 18:24 Danny, I don't think you want this, do you? 18:26 No, absolutely no. 18:27 You know, I don't think any of us would want that. 18:28 So we want to try to keep from getting it. 18:31 And I guess, Dr. Nedley, let me go to you next, 18:33 what would you say to the people 18:35 that are watching this and to us 18:37 that we should do to try 18:39 to prevent getting this disease? 18:40 And then we'll talk about after that would be 18:42 once you get it, then what? 18:44 Because while it's good 18:46 and they're saying people don't go to church 18:48 or, you know, do go online, 18:50 but we have all of our healthcare people. 18:52 We have people in traveling so many places, 18:55 we do not have that option. 18:58 So I think what you're asking is for 19:01 if you're in that number, and you've got to be there, 19:04 what can we do to prevent 19:07 or at least take the risk down tremendously? 19:09 That's right. 19:11 And then we'll talk in a minute about what to do in ministry. 19:13 Yes. But, Dr. Nedley. 19:16 Yes, some people are fearful. 19:18 For instance, if they're on an airplane, 19:20 and one person is infected, 19:22 the entire airplane is going down 19:25 and going to get infected, 19:27 all the passengers that's actually not true. 19:31 With the systems that we have in our aircraft, 19:33 it's only those within a six foot radius 19:36 of the person that's infected. 19:38 And so this is why they're trying 19:40 to prevent the gathering together 19:44 in tight spaces, 19:47 an individual who is infected. 19:49 So that six-foot radius is pretty clear. 19:52 If you're not within six feet, 19:54 and the person isn't actively, you know, coughing, 19:59 you're going to be safe. 20:01 But also a big way of transmission 20:04 is through your hands. 20:06 And if someone coughs, and it gets on its surface, 20:12 and then you touch that surface, 20:14 and you go to your mouth or your face, 20:17 you're very likely to get infected. 20:19 And so we recommend 20:20 before you touch your mouth or your face, 20:24 that you wash your hands immediately before that 20:27 or at least use hand sanitizer. 20:30 It turns out the old fashioned 20:32 washing of the hands with soap and water 20:34 is actually a little better than the hand sanitizer 20:37 because the hand sanitizer can't get rid of the mucus 20:41 that's surrounding that virus 20:43 that might come from a cough as well. 20:46 And so the best method 20:48 is just old-fashioned soap and water, 20:50 washing your hands thoroughly. 20:52 But if that's not around, 20:54 the hand sanitizer is the next best thing 20:58 and even here at Weimar Institute, 21:03 which by the way Weimar has not closed down, 21:06 we'll tell you why that's the case. 21:08 Weimar is still functioning and will continue to function 21:14 as long as is practical 21:16 or unless the government actually tells us we can't. 21:19 But Weimar is probably the safest place 21:22 on planet earth 21:23 if you end up getting COVID-19 to recover from it. 21:28 And so this is something we'll get into later. 21:32 But nonetheless, in the serving line, 21:35 we're having people at the end of the serving line, 21:38 wash their hands again 21:41 because they might touch some surfaces 21:43 in that whole process of serving 21:45 and just to prevent the spread. 21:50 And so it gets back 21:51 into that water principle of new start. 21:54 And of course, that was there in the Bible as well, 21:57 regarding the avoiding of contamination 22:02 through cleanliness and washing as we get into, 22:07 as we put our hands towards where mucous membranes are at 22:11 and where this can get into the cells of our body. 22:16 Okay, I want to share a little idea 22:19 talking about the face. 22:20 And Dr. Youngberg turned me on to this idea, 22:23 and I want to show something. 22:25 This is a little bottle of liquid iodine forte. 22:28 And, Dr. Youngberg, 22:29 you can talk about this in a minute, 22:31 but this, 22:32 we put a little sprayer on this bottle, 22:34 and it has iodine, 22:35 which of course, is a great antiviral in stuff. 22:40 But one of the things Dr. Youngberg taught me to do 22:41 is to spray this up in the air above me 22:44 and let it come down on my face. 22:46 And then get into my eyes. 22:48 You want some, Danny? I just take some of yours. 22:49 Okay. 22:51 So let's talk about this aspect. 22:54 This is kind of a unique little simple thing 22:56 that can be done. 22:57 That helps prevent like if you touch your face, 22:59 or you get it on your face, the simple use of iodine. 23:02 In 2009, Dr. David Derry, an MD, PhD, 23:08 who was passionate about getting the word out 23:13 that iodine is one of the world's best antivirals 23:18 and antimicrobials. 23:20 And many people who succumb to COVID-19 23:24 or any virus for that matter, 23:27 also end up suffering bacterial infections 23:30 as secondary infection. 23:31 And so one of the nice things about iodine 23:34 is that it actually is very broad spectrum 23:36 and bacteria or fungi 23:39 don't have the opportunity to become resistant to iodine. 23:42 Well, in 2009, Dr. David Derry published a review article 23:47 in the medical journal thyroid science 23:50 that basically highlighted 23:53 how to use iodine medically 23:57 to greatly mitigate the challenges 24:01 with very deadly virus, the various, 24:06 you know, little epidemics and pandemics 24:09 that we've had up to date. 24:11 Of course, this could very well be the biggest one. 24:16 Even more so than the Spanish flu 24:18 some are believe in, 24:20 I presently believe that it may actually end up 24:23 being worse based on Los Alamos National Laboratory and others, 24:27 it could very easily lead to more deaths 24:30 than even the Spanish flu epidemic 24:32 of 1918 and 1919. 24:35 So the iodine is... 24:37 The key 24:39 is that there's different types of iodine, okay? 24:42 And so we're using, what you're using right there, 24:45 Dan, is a potassium iodide, 24:48 very dilute solution of 150 micrograms per drop. 24:53 And so with every squirt of that, 24:55 that you can either squirt it up 24:58 into your nostrils or 25:02 use as into your lungs just by breathing it in, 25:05 squirting it into your mouth and breathing it in. 25:07 It helps kill viruses, 25:09 and it helps become an antiviral shield. 25:13 But they're the most common forms of iodine 25:17 on the market are Lugol's 2% or sometimes 5%. 25:21 You probably don't want to spray 25:22 that on to your eyes or... 25:26 Because it's much more irritating. 25:28 So you have to use a dilute form for the purposes 25:31 that you just demonstrated. 25:33 But Dr. David Derry also called 25:35 for increasing the dose of regular iodine 25:39 and potassium iodide combinations 25:42 found in Lugol's for instance, 25:45 as a protection against viruses. 25:49 Of course, Dr. Nedley and others have been talking 25:53 about other very valuable strategies, 25:55 including zinc lozenges 25:57 and other ways to optimize the immune system. 26:00 But primarily, the issues have to deal 26:04 with the lifestyle medicine strategies, 26:07 the natural remedies. 26:09 The information that we have learned 26:12 over the past century 26:14 from the amazing book called Ministry of Healing, 26:16 that's what gave me the passion 26:18 to become a lifestyle medicine doctor 26:20 is reading the works of Ellen White 26:23 and the health message 26:26 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 26:27 which is designed to spread to the world 26:30 to decrease morbidity and mortality 26:33 to decrease sickness and to decrease the death rate. 26:37 I want to follow up, 26:39 you kind of did a nice little transition. 26:40 You mentioned Spanish flu there, Dr. Youngberg. 26:44 And I was thinking about the situation 26:47 that took place in Minnesota and, Dr. Nedley, 26:50 it makes me think of Weimar when I look at this. 26:53 But in 1918, 26:55 I have in my hand a copy of the Northern Union Reaper, 26:58 which was the Adventist union paper, back in 1918, 27:03 right in the heart of the Spanish flu. 27:05 There's a fascinating story here 27:06 that actually Dr. Youngberg brought to my attention 27:09 several weeks ago, 27:11 where we had a group of 120 individuals 27:14 that were part 27:15 of the Scandinavian seminary training 27:17 who were training pastors 27:19 in just west of Minneapolis, Minnesota, 27:22 place where today we actually have a Maplewood Academy, 27:25 on that same grounds. 27:27 They had a large five-storied building 27:28 with 120 people living, eating, and going to school, 27:32 that's one building. 27:34 And 90 of those 120 people 27:38 got the Spanish flu. 27:40 But the beautiful thing 27:41 this article talks about Dr. Frederick Shepherd, 27:43 the health officer for the Hutchinson city, 27:46 reported in the newspaper 27:47 which was reprinted in the Adventist paper 27:50 that not one single person died of the Spanish flu. 27:55 That was before there was penicillin, 27:57 before there was antibiotics, 27:59 it was before all those things but Dr. H.E. Larson, 28:01 who is a graduate physician 28:03 that obviously knew how to use natural remedies, 28:06 treated all 90 of those with a staff of people 28:10 that were there, and not one person died 28:12 and they were taking note of this. 28:13 So I'm thinking, Dr. Nedley, 28:16 how would we utilize the eight natural remedies 28:20 or someone who actually gets this? 28:24 Well, and that's a very good question 28:26 because if what Dr. Youngberg said is correct 28:30 that 40% to 70% of humanity is going to end up 28:34 getting this COVID-19, 28:36 which actually could be true 28:37 because this is why no political organization 28:41 can stop it spread. 28:43 We can't really quarantine this thing 28:45 to the point where it won't spread 28:48 because unlike Ebola and SARS, 28:52 where virtually everybody got sick, 28:54 when you have 80% of people not getting sick 28:57 or very little sickness, 28:58 in other words, you're not going to seek care, 29:00 those people are going to go out and infect others. 29:03 And by the way, 29:04 that's why the flu can't be completely contained either 29:07 because a lot of people have healthy immune systems 29:09 and they get the flu, 29:11 but they develop zero symptoms, 29:12 and they think they haven't had it, 29:14 but their immune system fought it off. 29:16 And so this is where NEWSTART principles 29:19 become very important 29:22 because NEWSTART actually is a great immune booster, 29:27 and one that can actually put us 29:29 into this 80% category instead of the 20% 29:33 that get really sick. 29:35 And I think that's what was happening there 29:37 in Hutchinson 29:38 is that so many people were getting very sick 29:41 with the Spanish flu, 29:42 and these people didn't get very sick. 29:44 So let's go through that acronym a little bit. 29:47 The N is nutrition, 29:49 we want to have good antioxidants. 29:52 Antioxidants are great for the immune system, 29:55 and the top five antioxidant vegetables are broccoli, 29:59 Brussels sprouts, spinach, kale, garlic is number one. 30:03 And garlic actually has antiviral properties. 30:07 We also want to have the antioxidant fruits. 30:10 Those are your berries, primarily plums, 30:12 or the whole fruit. 30:13 That's not a berry that has the highest antioxidants 30:16 and those, you know, plums are pretty inexpensive. 30:21 And then we also want to avoid sugar 30:24 and have sugar out of our diet as well as free oils. 30:29 And then there may be some additional things 30:31 if you happen to mess up 30:32 and put something towards your face or mouth 30:35 before washing your hands 30:37 that would be the time for the zinc lozenge 30:39 because zinc actually stops 30:41 the replication of this virus on contact. 30:44 And so those zinc lozenges can come in, 30:47 and then N-acetylcysteine, 30:50 which is something that really boosts our immune system, 30:53 very inexpensive. 30:54 There was a nice randomized controlled trial 30:57 showing that three out of four people 31:01 that were taking NAC, 31:03 developed zero symptoms of the flu, 31:07 and that was a randomized controlled trial 31:10 and those not taking NAC, 31:12 the vast majority of them develop symptoms. 31:14 And because of the similarities here 31:16 we think the NAC will also be very immune 31:20 enhancing to anyone even with the COVID-19 virus. 31:25 Exercise, aerobic exercise, outdoors, 31:29 don't, you know, a lot of people think 31:31 they need to stay indoors with this thing. 31:33 There's virtually no transmission outside 31:37 and particularly we're exercising in the open air. 31:40 This is a very safe environment to be in, 31:43 and it will boost our immune system. 31:45 In regards to water hydrotherapy, 31:47 this is what they used in the in the seminary 31:50 was hydrotherapy and contrast therapy 31:54 where you do the hot and the cold 31:56 and the fomentations can be very immune enhancing, 32:00 and it can also be used as a treatment. 32:03 This is why at Weimar where we're set up 32:04 for this hydrotherapy sort of thing. 32:07 This could be a great place for people 32:10 that are suffering 32:11 some of the more severe complications 32:12 of COVID-19. 32:15 Sunlight, of course, is antiviral, 32:17 and it helps our vitamin D levels 32:19 which help our immune system, that's the S in NEWSTAR. 32:23 T is temperance, if we're using alcohol, 32:25 and this is why it's probably good. 32:27 They suspended the NBA 32:28 because you have thousands of people 32:30 badly in need of exercise, 32:32 watching about 10 people badly in need of rest. 32:36 But those people badly in need of exercise are also drinking. 32:40 And when you have alcohol on board at the time 32:42 you get this virus, it replicates it rapidly, 32:46 and it does suppress the immune system. 32:49 And then you have the fresh air, of course, 32:52 which will be very helpful, adequate rest, 32:55 we know that sleep is very important 32:57 for the immune system and getting that adequate rest. 33:00 And then that final T is also important. 33:03 Those who trust in God and don't panic 33:06 actually are going to have a better immune system. 33:09 So we don't want this pandemic to be a panic demic, 33:14 we want it to be one that we can trust God 33:19 that He will do what's best for us 33:21 and also help us by His grace 33:23 to follow these consistent NEWSTART principles 33:25 in our life. 33:27 And I don't think we really need to worry about it 33:29 if we're doing those things and if we're healthy. 33:32 I want to go to Pastor Finley for a moment. 33:36 Dr. Youngberg kind of gave a nice transition to trust 33:39 and the spiritual elements. 33:41 If someone is watching this and they're thinking, 33:43 "Oh, no, I don't want to get this. 33:45 What if I do?" 33:47 And we know that maybe almost everyone will. 33:50 Where is the spiritual element of this, Pastor Finley? 33:53 If we live our lives in fear, worry, and anxiety, 33:58 it does breakdown the immune system, 34:01 and we are more likely to get sick. 34:05 God leads us to have a trust and a confidence in Him. 34:10 That does not mean that we'll never get sick. 34:12 But what it does mean is that it increases 34:15 our possibility of being well. 34:18 I love the way it's put here in the book of Isaiah, 34:22 in Isaiah 43. 34:25 It tells us how precious we are to God. 34:29 And it says, Isaiah 43:1, but now, 34:32 thus says the Lord who created you, O Jacob, 34:35 and he who formed you, O Israel, 34:36 fear not for I've redeemed you, 34:39 I've called you by your name, you are mine." 34:42 So God says to us, don't live your life in fear, 34:46 don't live your life in worry, 34:47 don't live your life in anxiety. 34:49 Certainly we ought to be prudent, 34:51 certainly we ought to take every precaution 34:53 as our doctors have told us to wash our hands, 34:56 to use some of those iodine sprays if necessary, 35:01 to definitely get the best diet 35:03 and get adequate exercise and rest. 35:05 But in harmony with that, 35:08 our mental attitude is one of trust. 35:13 In the Book of Isaiah, 35:15 it talks about how God Himself is our protector. 35:20 But when you come over to the Book of Psalms, 35:22 in the 91 Psalm, 35:25 it talks about the increase of pestilences, 35:28 like this that are going to take place 35:30 in the last days of history. 35:32 And it says, talking about those pestilences, 35:36 it says, "Surely He, that is God, 35:39 shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler, 35:42 and from the perilous pestilence." 35:45 Then down in verse 7, 35:46 "A thousand may fall at your side, 35:49 ten thousand at your right hand, 35:51 but it shall not come near you." 35:55 And then it talks about God giving His angels 35:58 charge over us to keep us in all our ways. 36:01 I think that as Christians, the way I view life is this. 36:05 We are in a world of good and evil, 36:07 a world where even good people get sick. 36:11 But our hearts and minds can totally trust God, 36:15 knowing that His purposes for us 36:17 and His intention for us is only good. 36:21 Even if I get sick, I trust Him to get me through it. 36:25 So it's a matter in my understanding, 36:28 when sickness is all around you 36:30 to do the best you can to keep well, 36:33 but if for some reason you cannot control, 36:36 you actually get sick, 36:38 to trust God that He's going to get you through. 36:40 Amen. 36:42 Pastor John? 36:44 You know, the impact of this is something 36:46 that people are doing almost naturally, 36:48 I heard just recently on the news 36:50 and it's on all networks, 36:52 people are self-quarantining themselves. 36:56 They figure it's better to take a precaution 36:59 than expose what I have to someone else. 37:03 And, Pastor Finley, 37:05 that brought me to the verse versus examine yourself. 37:09 In light of the conditions that exist in the world, 37:11 we know that this is a synonymous parody to sin. 37:16 What affects me, affects someone else. 37:19 And I think we've heard this throughout. 37:20 You may have even mentioned it in your preaching 37:23 if what you had infected someone else, 37:28 would it better their lives or make their lives worse? 37:31 And I think this is where our attitude 37:33 in this difficult time is so vitally important. 37:37 I've said so many times 37:38 if we can communicate trust and faith 37:41 in a troublesome time, then people might say, 37:43 "Well, what about your God?" 37:46 Look at Daniel's attitude 37:47 when people had fears about his future. 37:52 Well, Daniel said, 37:53 "The God that I serve is able to deliver." 37:56 The Hebrew said the very same thing. 37:59 "We are not going to be fearful about the atmosphere 38:02 that surrounds us 38:04 because the God who we serve is able to deliver." 38:06 And that's why Peter said, 38:08 "Cast all your care on Him because He cares for you." 38:11 So we've taken the commonsense precautions. 38:15 If you're sneezing, well, 38:16 be mindful of people around you. 38:19 A sneeze in your elbow, cover your mouth. 38:21 But if you do sneeze in your hand, wash your hands, 38:24 and soap and water. 38:26 I like the fact that soap and water 38:27 you don't have to go buy it. 38:28 It's in every household. 38:30 But I also heard maybe some of the doctors 38:32 could convey this and clear this up. 38:34 Someone also said the overuse of hand sanitizers 38:38 could actually not be a very good thing. 38:40 Maybe that's a question that we might be able to ask 38:42 because so many people are buying hand sanitizers. 38:44 And then also secondly, 38:46 there's a certain level of alcohol that's needed, 38:48 rather than the perfumey type 38:50 that smells like strawberries or grape. 38:53 Should we look out for those types of things 38:55 and which kind of hand sanitizer 38:57 will be best and at what level? 39:00 How much should we use? 39:01 That's a good question. 39:03 Dr. Youngberg, would you like to answer that question 39:06 about the hand sanitizer? 39:08 Well, as Dr. Nedley just pointed out, 39:11 the key is washing hands with soap and water, 39:14 and then using hand sanitizers as a secondary option 39:18 when you can't easily wash your hands. 39:21 I personally, 39:23 I personally have a little bottle of this liquid iodine 39:26 and I just spray it, 39:27 I spray it right on my hands 39:29 and that becomes my simple hand sanitizer, 39:33 and I can wipe it on my face as well. 39:35 So right now I'm a little bit less concerned 39:40 about using too much hand sanitizer. 39:43 I'm more concerned about people 39:44 not paying attention to sanitation properly. 39:48 Okay, thank you. 39:50 Pastor Mark, the General Conference, 39:54 of course, Seventh-day Adventist Church, 39:55 were global church and have millions, 39:59 20 plus million members around the world this summer. 40:02 Even we're looking at having our General Conference session, 40:06 for hundreds of thousands of people, 40:07 maybe even million plus, 40:10 would be coming to Indianapolis. 40:12 Can you tell us anything about that? 40:14 And then also about how are we as a church 40:17 because while we're hearing that, 40:19 you know, we're having to stop many things, 40:23 what are we doing as a church 40:24 to make sure we're still going forward, 40:26 taking the gospel to the world? 40:28 That's a great question. Danny, thank you so much. 40:30 The Seventh-day Adventist church leadership 40:32 is certainly extremely conscious of what's happening, 40:35 cognizant of what's happening. 40:37 And our leadership is praying is seeking God. 40:41 No decisions have been made at this point 40:43 regarding the General Conference session. 40:46 You know, you may hear a rumor 40:47 that it's canceled or something that's just not true. 40:50 At this point, 40:51 at the point we're taping this television program 40:54 in March, 40:55 the General Conference 40:57 is looking to our health department, 41:00 Dr. Peter Landless, 41:01 who is very much up with the CDC, 41:04 and the health authorities, 41:08 we are looking 41:09 at the development of this virus, 41:11 how is it going to develop if it develops in the way 41:14 that some people think 41:15 we will need to make some very serious decisions. 41:18 The General Conference session represents the entire world. 41:23 And so we have to be asking the question, 41:25 if indeed there are major issues 41:29 with travel with visas, 41:33 at what point do you make the decision 41:35 say this no longer represents the world? 41:37 Also, if you bring that many people together, 41:40 how does that indeed indicate to infecting other people? 41:46 So we want to take every single thing 41:48 into consideration. 41:50 At this point, we're looking at every one of this issue, 41:52 contingency plans are being developed, 41:55 but no specific decision has been made 41:57 as this program is being taped. 41:59 Now as far as a church is concerned, 42:03 we look at this coronavirus 42:06 through the eyes of compassion. 42:10 We've talked about prevention, 42:11 we've talked about trusting God. 42:14 But what about our responsibility 42:16 to minister to people that have this virus, 42:20 and the virus has become a severe impairment 42:24 to their health? 42:26 We as a church believe 42:28 that we do not run from sickness, 42:31 we run to people that are sick. 42:34 And I'm reminded of a new book that's come out by an author 42:38 by the name of Starkey. 42:40 He wrote the book on early Christianity. 42:43 And he tells the story 42:45 of the second and third centuries, 42:48 when one of the worst plagues ever to hit humanity 42:52 was killing tens of thousands and hundreds of people. 42:57 And he goes back 42:58 and looks at second and third century documents, 43:02 which indicate that the pagans abandoned their sick 43:07 and actually put them in the streets. 43:10 And Christians went into the streets 43:12 ministered to them, 43:14 sometimes getting the influenza themselves and dying. 43:17 And Starkey says that one of the great reasons 43:21 Christianity grew was not only the preaching of the gospel, 43:26 but it was the living of the gospel. 43:28 It was this self-sacrificial ministry to the disadvantage, 43:32 to the sick. 43:34 One of the things 43:35 that the Seventh-day Adventist Church 43:38 is doing today 43:40 is looking at 43:42 how we can proclaim the gospel 43:47 not only in our lips, 43:48 but what blessing can we be to society? 43:51 What healing remedies can we bring to society? 43:56 How can our health message benefit society? 43:59 How can these simple things like hydrotherapy bless others? 44:03 How can we share the message of this new start 44:07 or creation health or celebrate whatever you want to call it, 44:10 how can we share the message 44:11 of these eight natural remedies of wellness 44:13 with a larger community, 44:15 so they can help to have strong immune systems? 44:18 That is a role for Adventists to play 44:20 where we can light the world with the glory of God. 44:23 And, you know, Danny, it seems like to me that, 44:25 especially with the news reports, 44:28 that perhaps the supply chain for medications 44:32 may be interrupted in this process, 44:34 that's going to put even more of an emphasis 44:36 on the natural remedies. 44:40 It's gonna make it really important, 44:42 and we have, 44:43 maybe we need to get kind of retooled 44:46 and know how to give a fomentation, 44:48 know how to care in those situations. 44:50 And so to me, there's three things. 44:52 Number one, I want to try to avoid getting this if I can. 44:55 That's right. 44:57 And then if I get it, 44:58 I want to make common sense decisions 45:00 on how I'm going to relate to whether I go out, 45:03 whether I'd stay in. 45:05 And I think I know I'm going to stay in. 45:06 And then, thirdly, if others have it, 45:10 and they need my help, then I want to help them. 45:15 Those three things. 45:16 Then I think two, 45:18 that there are two great pitfalls 45:21 that as individuals we ought to avoid 45:23 and the church ought to avoid. 45:25 One is ignoring what's happening. 45:28 One is saying, "Well, this is just going to pass 45:29 and I'm not worried about it." 45:31 And I think that really contributes 45:33 to what you've just said. 45:34 We don't live in panic, but we don't overreact either. 45:38 That's right. 45:39 We don't ignore this situation. 45:42 We take commonsense principles to be on the very best diet, 45:45 to get adequate exercise, to build our immune system, 45:48 to wash our hands, to watch it when we sneeze 45:51 and try to sneeze into our elbows and to... 45:53 And to avoid the large crowds... 45:55 Yeah, sure. 45:56 And be little bit more isolated. 45:57 You know, when it comes to church. 45:59 I think that's a decision 46:00 that every pastor has to make with his congregation. 46:04 It's a decision that may be made for us 46:06 by government entities. 46:07 But it's a decision, I think that's one 46:09 that we need to cautiously make. 46:13 But the one idea is people ignore. 46:16 The other is they overreact. 46:18 So you got those two extremes. 46:21 We want to take a measured, prayerful, 46:25 commonsense approach to the problem 46:27 as we move ahead. 46:29 Steady at the controls. 46:30 And it's amazing with medical science, 46:33 where we are today and the things 46:35 that are going to be happening 46:36 should the Lord tarry in the next 10 years 46:38 or we're reading about 46:40 that we find ourselves going back to Sister Ellen White. 46:44 Yes, yes. 46:45 And the health message God gave her... 46:47 Hot and cold. 46:49 Isn't it? The simple things. 46:50 Yes. To do this. 46:52 But I also want to talk for just a moment 46:54 focus on the mission, and the mission as a church, 46:59 as people, as Christians 47:00 or whatever denomination you are. 47:02 For instance, Dan and Karen are here, 47:07 Mark Finley neither live in Southern Illinois. 47:09 I don't have to tell those 47:10 of you know that from California, 47:12 from DC area, 47:14 but you decided it's worth the risk to come here. 47:20 Now commonsense would say, maybe on the secular level, 47:25 "I'm not. Are you kidding? 47:26 Travel all the way to Southern Illinois 47:28 and go down and do all this." 47:30 But the heart for Jesus, the love for Jesus, 47:33 and love for people, and compassion, 47:35 as you brought out, says, "You know what, 47:38 we're going to go ahead and do this. 47:40 And when I get home, 47:41 I may isolate myself for a while." 47:43 But I just want to say to our viewers, 47:45 and for all of us here, thank you, 47:47 and for being willing to be here 47:50 to do what you're doing. 47:52 Mark, you're doing this, Pastor Mark, 47:54 on the series on the three angels' messages. 47:57 You could have opted and said, "You know, 47:58 I think I'll just stay home." 48:00 But you're driven by the Holy Spirit, 48:02 by the Lord to say, "You know, I can't live in fear." 48:05 You said that earlier. 48:07 You know, I'm going to trust God. 48:09 So the things that he's been telling us, 48:11 you're living in your own life. 48:13 That's what I noticed here. 48:14 You're living by those same principles, 48:16 to trust the Lord and to go forward and do. 48:18 So commonsense, cleanliness, 48:22 and being driven by the mission 48:25 that Jesus says, "Go ye into all the world." 48:27 Now for the churches and pastors 48:29 and all the people who say, 48:31 we are not like pioneer that was said earlier, 48:34 guess what, you can watch 3ABN, 48:36 you can stream it online, 48:38 you can do it on your computers, 48:39 download the 3ABN app on your phones, 48:42 just turn on the 3ABN whether it's dish network, 48:45 whether it's Roku, 48:46 cable stations around the world. 48:48 So for many of you, and there's other networks, 48:50 of course, also, 48:51 but for many who can't get out or decide not to, 48:54 look into technology that God has given us 48:57 that sitting anywhere in the world. 49:00 And no matter how isolated we are, 49:02 that we have the opportunities 49:04 that we can literally continue to take in the gospel, 49:07 but more importantly than just taking it in, 49:09 it's taking it in and then taking it out, 49:12 giving this message to the world. 49:14 So thank you for what you're doing. 49:15 And Karen, and for what you're doing Pastor John. 49:18 You just got back from Tobago, and you know, Trinidad 49:21 and so you didn't hesitate to go. 49:23 You said, "Hey, the Lord wants me there" 49:25 so you did it. 49:27 So there are people who go forward. 49:28 Does that mean that God's protecting them? 49:31 Tell me about that for just a moment. 49:32 We only have a minute left here to couple 49:34 but tell me about the people who go forward. 49:37 I think I heard you say something earlier 49:39 doesn't mean that because you go forward 49:42 in the name of the Lord, 49:43 that you can't contract something like this 49:46 or bad things happen to you. 49:47 But when they do, tell us what's the remedy here? 49:51 God is with you. 49:53 When we unselfishly serve 49:56 and give our lives to self-sacrificial service, 49:59 Christ is with us. 50:01 You know, there's a statement here that I wanted to read. 50:04 And then I wanted to make a simple appeal 50:07 to somebody that's watching this broadcast. 50:11 Why does God allow these things? 50:13 God does not cause them. 50:15 God is not the originator of them. 50:18 But there's a statement in 19 Manuscript Releases 50:22 page 279 by Ellen White, where she says, 50:25 "God has a purpose in permitting these calamities 50:28 to occur. 50:29 They're one of His means 50:31 of calling men and women to their senses." 50:34 What does this virus do 50:38 when we see it spreading so rapidly? 50:41 It calls us to our senses. 50:43 This world is not all that there is. 50:47 Christ is speaking to you, and to me. 50:51 Our lives are fragile. 50:53 Every single one of us live 50:56 in these fragile earthened bodies. 51:00 But beyond what is there is something yet coming. 51:04 And that is the glory of Christ. 51:06 There's something worth living for beyond this life. 51:11 And that's Jesus Christ, 51:13 allowing Him to fill our hearts, 51:15 to take away our fears, to strengthen us, 51:19 and to prepare us for His soon return. 51:21 Amen. Well, that is beautiful. 51:22 What we're going to do, 51:24 we're going to go to a news break, 51:26 and then we're going to come back for a closing thought. |
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