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Series Code: TDY
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00:03 we're living in unprecedented times. 00:05 Join us now for Today special program. 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Mending broken people 00:23 I want to spend my life 00:28 Removing pain 00:33 Lord, let my words 00:39 Heal a heart that hurts 00:44 I want to spend my life 00:50 Mending broken people 00:55 I want to spend my life 01:00 Mending broken people 01:14 Hello. 01:16 Welcome to another 3ABN Today program. 01:17 We're so glad that you have joined us today. 01:20 Thank you for allowing us to come into your living room 01:22 or from wherever you're watching this program. 01:25 Maybe you're even listening on 3ABN Radio, 01:27 but you know what? 01:28 You're part of our family and it's so fun 01:30 to spend this time with you. 01:32 Many of you, we have met maybe at a 3ABN rally 01:34 or in the different travels 01:36 when we're able to travel before COVID 01:38 or maybe when you came to a 3ABN camp meeting 01:40 or some other event. 01:42 It's always a blessing, but some of you 01:43 that we've never met, but we look forward to heaven. 01:45 And we just wanna say, 01:47 thank you for your faithfulness, 01:48 for your prayers for 3ABN, 01:50 for your financial support for this ministry 01:52 because of you and, of course, the Lord Jesus Christ, 01:55 this gospel of the kingdom is going 01:57 throughout the entire world, 01:59 which is really an incredible thought. 02:01 I just received a letter across my desk 02:03 and someone was just apologizing. 02:06 And I said, "There's no need to apologize." 02:07 They said, "Our donation is not very significant." 02:10 I said, "That does not matter." 02:12 You have felt impressed to give that, 02:14 God will take that money 02:15 no matter the size and multiply it. 02:18 And it will make a difference in someone else's life. 02:21 So again, it's great to be with you today. 02:22 And today we have a really fun program in store. 02:25 We do. 02:26 Sometimes on Today programs, 02:28 we feature ministries and people 02:29 who have gone overseas to spread the gospel. 02:31 Sometimes we feature personal testimonies 02:33 and today is a meet one of the 3ABN family, 02:37 actually two because they are a couple. 02:39 And we're so excited about this program 02:42 because it is a personal testimony 02:43 of how God brought them out of darkness, 02:46 literally spiritual darkness into this marvelous light. 02:50 And I'm speaking of a wonderful couple 02:53 that Greg and I personally love, 02:55 and I had the privilege of working with for many years. 02:58 So this is Joe and Nancy O'Brien, 03:00 and we're just so blessed and grateful 03:03 and thankful to have you on the set today 03:06 and looking forward to hearing your testimony. 03:08 Thank you so much for being here. 03:10 Well, it's a pleasure to be here. 03:11 Thank you. 03:13 How many years have you been at 3ABN? 03:16 Twenty two. Yeah. 03:17 Twenty two years? 03:18 Wow! Incredible. 03:20 God's been good. 03:21 Amen. Yes. 03:22 Excellent. Yeah. 03:24 I know Joe O'Brien is ourâ | 03:25 He works in 3ABN Pastoral department, 03:27 but you didn't start there. 03:28 We're gonna hear some of your journey 03:29 and how God brought you together 03:31 and brought you into this marvelous light 03:33 into the truth of Seventh-day Adventist Church 03:35 and what you've done here. 03:37 And. 03:38 Nancy, we had the opportunity to work together. 03:40 I think it was 10 years at our local church. 03:42 At the school. Yes, yes. 03:44 And God brought you both here. 03:46 And you were instrumental. 03:48 You were a first teacher and principal, 03:49 so we're gonna unpack some of that testimony. 03:52 And then now Nancy is the office manager 03:54 for our Planned Giving and Trust Services department, 03:57 and also serves as a trust officer. 04:00 So we're so blessed to have you both here. 04:03 You know, I think what's fun about these programs is that, 04:05 you know, many people here maybe talk to you on the phone, 04:08 Nancy, 'cause you're in Planned Giving now, 04:09 and you're in the Pastoral department. 04:12 Let's call you Pastor Joe from the Pastoral department, 04:14 but it's great to actually, some people maybe, 04:16 if you've just started watching 3ABN 04:18 and you've talked to them on the phone, 04:19 you've never seen them before, 04:21 but they have an incredible testimony. 04:23 And it's really about 04:24 what God has done in their life. 04:25 And they have made themselves 04:27 available to the Lord, Jesus Christ. 04:28 And that's an inspiration. 04:30 You know, all of us have a testimony. 04:32 All of us have a story. 04:33 A lot of times we can just sit back and say, well, 04:36 that's them, it's not me. 04:37 You know, I don't know, but you know what? 04:39 This should be an inspiration to you too, 04:41 because God has you here 04:43 on this earth for a reason and a purpose. 04:46 And we know that God has, 04:48 you may be doing great things for God right now, 04:49 but He has something for you to do even today. 04:52 But before we go more in depth, we've got a scripture, 04:54 some song, a song. 04:55 Absolutely. 04:57 The scripture I was thinking of reminds me of their testimony, 04:59 but really it's my testimony 05:01 and hopefully it's your testimony as well. 05:04 This is 1 Peter 2:9. 05:06 You probably know this scripture, 05:08 "But you are a chosen generation, 05:10 a royal priesthood, a holy nation, 05:13 His own special people." 05:15 Why are we called to be God's people 05:18 that we would proclaim the praises of Him 05:21 who called us out of darkness into this marvelous light. 05:25 And that's what we're gonna hear today is a testimony. 05:27 A couple Joe and Nancy O'Brien proclaiming the praises 05:31 what God has done and is doing in their lives 05:34 and what He wants to do in each one of our lives. 05:36 So I'm so excited about that. 05:38 And we have some music 05:39 from another one of the 3ABN family. 05:42 This is Brother Tim Parton, 05:43 and the song he'll be playing 05:45 is "Lord I Lift Your Name On High." 08:33 Amen. 08:34 Thank you, Mr. Tim Parton, 08:35 maybe we should call him Dr. Parton 08:37 because he's such an incredible musician. 08:39 Thank you so much for using your talents for the Lord 08:41 and what an incredible song, Lord, I lift Your name on high. 08:46 And that's what we're doing today, isn't it? 08:47 Praising the Lord 08:49 and what He has done in all of our lives. 08:50 But today, especially Joe and Nancy O'Brien 08:53 and they're gonna be sharing their testimony, 08:55 what God has done 08:57 and is currently doing in their life. 08:59 And as we just mentioned earlier, 09:02 before the music, 09:03 you all have been at 3ABN, 22 years, has it gone by fast? 09:10 Yes. 09:13 We all haven't changed, you know, God's been good, 09:16 you know, and you all don't look any older. 09:17 Maybe you've, 09:19 maybe I don't know how you feel, but... 09:20 A lot older. 09:22 Feel a lot older. 09:23 I don't run as fast. 09:24 You don't run as fast. 09:26 Okay. 09:27 But God still is using you all in a mighty way. 09:29 And thank you so much for being vessels 09:30 that God has been able to pour through to us here. 09:33 And if I can mention, 09:35 before we dive into their testimony, 09:36 their story is that we consider them mentors as well. 09:39 When I came here, I was single. 09:42 I came in 1999 and then of course 09:44 I had known Jill for a few years. 09:46 And then I realized I couldn't live my life without her. 09:49 So we decided to get married. 09:51 And that was in 2002, 09:52 but this wonderful couple Joe and Nancy O'Brien, 09:55 they were leaders in the Thompsonville 09:56 Seventh-day Adventist Church. 09:58 We were just young newbies. 09:59 And they believed in us and they gave us 10:02 responsibilities in the church and helped us grow 10:05 and that friendship 10:06 and that has just been through the years. 10:08 So thank you both so much 10:09 for pouring into our lives as well. 10:11 It's been a great blessing. 10:13 But share with us. 10:15 Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. 10:16 Let's jump into your testimony. 10:17 We love you both very much 10:19 and are grateful as Greg mentioned, 10:20 but let's maybe start with you, Joe. 10:22 Tell us a little bit about your testimony, 10:24 your search to know God? 10:26 Okay. 10:27 Well, first of all, 10:29 we could write a book and we're not going to. 10:32 And so, I'm gonna start with many years ago 10:37 before I was an Adventist, 10:39 I was looking for God and I was a Christian 10:45 and I just didn't know Him well. 10:47 I just knew about Him. 10:49 And so I attended different churches 10:54 and I would listen 10:55 to their doctrines and teachings 10:57 and go to the Bible 10:58 and try to verify that everything was biblical. 11:02 And I would find that 5 or 10% 11:06 of what they had to share was often against the Bible. 11:11 And then I would figure, 11:12 well, now if there is a God, He's got it right. 11:16 And if He doesn't have it right, 11:18 I don't need Him. 11:20 I can make my own mistakes. 11:22 So I'd move on to another church. 11:24 And this went on for 22 years. 11:27 Oh, wow. 11:29 Twenty two years. 11:30 So do you mean different churches? 11:31 You're talking like, not in the same denomination, 11:33 but you're actually looking at different denominations? 11:34 Everything you can imagine. 11:36 The Eastern philosophies, all kinds of religious bodies, 11:40 I would study their doctrines. 11:42 And for a while I worked in a fire department 11:45 and I had the evenings off 11:47 and I could go to the training director's office 11:49 and close the door while everybody else 11:51 was playing basketball 11:52 and watching TV and playing cards. 11:54 And I just kind of locked myself in there 11:56 and go through the Word. 11:58 And after 22 years, 12:00 I guess I remember being tired and saying, 12:04 "Man, I'm not gonna live long enough 12:07 to test every church. 12:10 And so I'm done." 12:13 And I told God that. 12:14 I prayed regular, didn't know Him that well, 12:16 but I prayed regular. 12:18 And I said, "Lord, I'm tired. 12:19 I'm done 22 years, I'm through. 12:23 If you want me, You can have me, 12:25 but you'll have to come and get me 12:26 because I'm done looking for You." 12:29 And within a couple of weeks, 12:32 I had a fella at work, 12:34 hand me a little book 12:36 'cause the last church I was in spoke in tongues. 12:38 And he wanted me to understand 12:39 that the letter written in the Bible 12:42 was talking about how that should be. 12:45 And so I read the book. 12:50 And then six months later, 12:51 I'm sitting at my table at home 12:55 and I'm looking at the pile of books 12:57 I'd been reading from this gentleman. 12:58 He had fed me and fed me and I counted the books. 13:01 And some of them were just little pocket books. 13:03 But all together, 13:04 I had some thick ones, couple inches. 13:06 So I mean, I looked at the pile and counted 13:08 and there were like 60 some books. 13:11 You had read 60 some books in six months trying to... 13:14 In six months. 13:15 That is incredible. 13:16 And then the little light in the cartoons, 13:18 you see the little light going on? 13:20 Well, a light went on and the light wasâ | 13:25 And the light was, 13:28 I haven't found anything 13:30 in their doctrine that's unbiblical. 13:33 Oh, wow. 13:35 The people may have troubles, but the doctrine doesn't. 13:38 And he had always been able to prove in other churches, 13:42 he had always found false... 13:44 So let me just get this right. 13:45 So for 22 years you had searched 13:47 from denomination to denomination. 13:49 And every time they're teaching something 13:52 didn't line up with the Word of God. 13:53 Ninety percent, 13:54 ninety five percent truth and that's fine. 13:56 It's necessary, 13:57 but there's always like, like water. 13:59 If you have a glass of beautiful, 14:01 wonderful life-giving water and somebody puts 14:04 10% poison in it, you got a problem. 14:08 That's not the God I want. 14:10 I want the perfect God. 14:12 And so after... 14:14 Then over this last six months, 14:16 you had read the 60 some books 14:17 and everything you read there really seemed to line up 14:20 with the Word of God. 14:21 I was happy. 14:23 I was thinking, the light went on, 14:24 I thought, is this the church God wants me in? 14:28 And so I started going to a Revelation seminar. 14:32 And... 14:33 How did you find out about that? 14:34 Well, it was advertised on telephone poles and things. 14:38 So you saw like a poster on a telephone pole and said, 14:40 that looks interesting. 14:41 And the year before I had missed it. 14:43 I thought, oh, I'd love to learn 14:45 about Revelation and Daniel. 14:46 I really would. 14:47 And more than I knew, I mean, 14:49 my book Bible was all marked up in there, 14:50 but I didn't understand everything. 14:52 So that year I let it go. 14:54 But the next year when I saw that 14:56 on the telephone pole, I said, I'm going. 14:59 I've gotta find some more stuff, truth, you know? 15:02 And so, I went and during the time 15:04 that I was goingâ | 15:07 Isn't that when we met? 15:09 That's when we met. 15:10 So tell me, what were you doing 15:12 profession wise at the time, Joe? 15:13 And where did you live then? 15:14 At that time I was working for Georgia Pacific 15:17 and I had a pretty good job. 15:21 I was making good money, I had five weeks paid vacation, 15:24 plus paid holidays off, floating holidays. 15:27 It was a good business, I was doing well. 15:31 And then I went roller skating. 15:33 And apparently you can tell a story a little bit. 15:37 Go ahead, honey. 15:39 Yes. 15:40 In Minnesota, the weather is bad, 15:42 you know, for like nine, ten months out of the year. 15:44 So roller skating is a big activity 15:47 because you get lots of exercise. 15:49 Anyway, I was roller skating. 15:51 And I guess he, you saw me. 15:55 And when I sat down to take my skates off 15:58 or whatever he was, came on over. 16:00 You were with a Christian school 16:02 and you had your class there. 16:03 Right. 16:04 And I knew you were a Christian. 16:06 So I was kind of watching you a little bit. 16:07 Go ahead. Yeah. 16:09 I was teaching at a mission school 16:11 in Minnesota, an Indian mission, 16:13 American Indian mission school. 16:15 And so I took my kids there. 16:17 That was their reward for being good behavior. 16:21 So we all went skating 16:23 and the school was run by monks. 16:25 And so one of the head monk came with me 16:27 to help supervise and while we were skating around, 16:33 I noticed he was talking with the monk. 16:36 And then when we sat down and take our skates off, 16:38 the monk leaned over to me and said, 16:40 do you wanna meet this guy? 16:43 Well, he knew that I was into Christianity. 16:45 Yeah. You were studying. 16:47 Yeah. 16:48 Well, I had heard some of the conversation. 16:50 And so my first response was no. 16:53 Because I had heard, 16:54 I was a Catholic and so I wanted to stay 16:58 with Catholic people and I could hear 17:01 that he was questioning faith. 17:03 And so I thought, I don't want to get involved. 17:06 You know, I know how easy it is to fall in love with somebody 17:09 and wreck your whole life, you know? 17:11 So I said, no, but shortly after that, 17:14 I heard the Lord say to me, well, I thought, you know, 17:18 Jesus wouldn't have said no. 17:20 So I leaned over. 17:22 And I said, okay. 17:23 So Joe asked me if he could call me. 17:26 And I said, sure, but just the talk. 17:29 Kinda set that in place. 17:30 Okay. Just the talk. 17:32 So can I ask Nancy, just going back, 17:34 you were a teacher and you said you were Catholic, 17:36 but were you satisfied 17:37 in your faith journey up to that point? 17:39 Obviously Joe had been searching for years, 17:41 but were you satisfied 17:42 or how did you feel your faith journey was? 17:45 Okay. 17:46 I fell in love with Jesus in my late 20s. 17:49 I had had some difficulties with jobs 17:54 and 'cause back then there was a surplus of teachers 17:56 and I was getting laid, 17:57 I had laid off twice and the second time 17:59 I just went, oh Lord, you know, what am I gonna do? 18:03 And a friend handed me a book that was the scriptures. 18:09 It was a Jesus people promise book, 18:11 something like that. 18:12 I started reading it and I fell head over heels 18:17 in love with Jesus. 18:18 And so I wanted to give Him my life then. 18:21 And so, I got into the Catholic school system 18:24 and that's where I was teaching 18:26 because I wanted to teach about Him. 18:27 I loved Him and I wanted the kids to know Him. 18:29 And then I had always felt like, 18:33 well, Minnesota has several Indian reservations. 18:36 And so I checked them out 18:37 and I found a mission school in one of them. 18:39 So I applied there and they took me in. 18:42 I was teaching there. 18:43 And that's how I ended up 18:44 at the roller skating rink with them. 18:46 But I thought I had the true church. 18:49 There were a lot of questions I had in the Bible. 18:51 'Cause I was reading the Bible and I had a lot of questions 18:54 that I would ask, 18:55 but I was usually told it's a mystery. 18:58 We won't understand it 19:00 until, you know, till we're in heaven. 19:02 And I would question God. 19:05 I remember reading the Ten Commandments 19:07 and saying, huh. 19:09 So was this only for the Jewish people 19:11 'cause we don't keep the seventh day anymore. 19:14 So I just brushed it off though. 19:15 I thought, yeah. 19:17 You know, 'cause I really thought I had the truth. 19:20 Well, then as we talked and he started 19:25 telling me things he was learning 19:26 in the Revelation seminars. 19:28 I said, "That can't be right." 19:30 Yeah. 19:32 The traditions and the truth, they rub a little bit. 19:36 Yeah. 19:37 And so, I asked Nancy if she'd like to go to Perkins 19:41 and have a piece of pie and talk a little bit. 19:44 Yeah. 19:45 And so, just the talk. 19:48 That's right. 19:49 You need to make that clear. 19:51 So when we went there, 19:52 we sat in the booth and you know, 19:55 how you just sit down and smiling. 19:57 And as I looked across the booth at her, 19:59 she looked at me square in the eye and she said, 20:03 I want you to know 20:05 that I consider Jesus Christ my bridegroom. 20:08 Now that was her shield. 20:10 She'd probably used that before on other fellows. 20:13 And they usually said, "Oh, my mother would love you" 20:16 or they'd say, "Well, you scare me." 20:20 So that's what she tells you. 20:21 Yeah. And what did you think? 20:23 Well, see, I had talked with God 20:26 in one of my prayers previously 20:27 that I'd seen a lot of trouble with marriages. 20:31 My mom was divorced, you know, 20:33 married three times and I thought, yeah, yeah. 20:35 Well, I'm not sure I wanna go there, you know? 20:37 And, but if you want me to be married, 20:40 I want Your will. 20:41 Your will is always correct. 20:43 So if it is your will, 20:44 that You would have me married in the future. 20:48 It has to be a godly woman. 20:50 Has to be a godly woman and You have to prove it. 20:56 I have to know that You proved it, 20:58 that you okayed it. 21:01 So I put that sheepskin out and it was, 21:04 she has to love you more than me. 21:11 And when she looked across that booth and said, 21:14 "I consider Jesus Christ, my bridegroom." 21:17 That was your fleece answered right there. 21:20 And for someone else, it was a turnoff. 21:22 But for you, it was, 21:23 this is exactly the woman God has for me. 21:24 Yeah. 21:26 Now this is where I wanna say that after 22 years 21:29 of being a Christian and studying the Word of God 21:31 and praying and paying tithe 21:33 and doing all the Christian things, 21:36 this is where I was catching up with Nancy. 21:41 Because she knew Him better than I did. 21:44 And so... 21:47 I went home and I prayed a lot. 21:51 I mean, we were friends, God and I, we talked a lot, 21:54 but I didn't hear much from Him. 21:55 It was always, His voice was in the Bible. 21:58 And that was good enough. 21:59 I was happy with that. 22:00 But this is where they say, 22:02 sometimes they'll say there's a still small voice. 22:05 Yeah. 22:07 Well, I said to Him in prayer, she's too good for me. 22:13 It must be a mistake. It's not right. 22:15 I mean, I just don't belong with a woman like that. 22:20 And I heard a still small voice say, 22:24 it wasn't audible, 22:26 but it wasn't me talking or thinking 22:28 it was a voice that said, who would you pick? 22:34 And I just shifted gears and thought, 22:35 okay, let's see in grammar school, 22:37 there were these clowns and in junior high 22:39 and high school, these bums were, 22:41 you know, such and such. 22:42 And then I went into the fire department 22:44 and all the different things I've done. 22:46 Real estate in two different states. 22:48 I mean, I went through all these people. 22:50 I knew all these men, I even included my brother, 22:52 which was wouldn't have worked, you know? 22:55 But anyway, I came to the point where I answered and said, 23:00 the only way I could be sure they treated her well 23:02 would be to be there 23:05 and make sure then be there. 23:10 Now I'm getting to know God. 23:13 I've heard a voice. 23:14 There is somebody out there, there's somebody else. 23:18 And that was an exciting and scary experience 23:23 because now I knew what I chose to do 23:26 with my every choice in life mattered. 23:29 Yes. 23:30 It wasn't just me that it mattered too. 23:33 There was purpose in life. 23:37 So once you all met, had pie there, 23:40 you said Perkins at the restaurant, 23:42 and then you're realizing your fleece is answered, 23:44 you know, her answer or question 23:45 or statement really to you. 23:47 So then what happened? 23:49 How long did the relationship go on? 23:50 The friendship turned into relationship 23:52 and then the marriage, was it fast? 23:54 Did it happen pretty quickly? 23:56 We would visit. 23:57 And most of the visit 23:58 was all about the Bible is real. 24:02 She had a Jewish newspaper, she got in the mail, 24:05 and I'd run over there and read it. 24:06 Israeli newspaper. 24:08 Just, we just shared God in every which way, 24:12 it was like a three strand rope. 24:15 And the Holy Spirit was the superglue. 24:17 That was unusual because usually 24:19 when you hear people like in a relationship 24:20 or dating, they're not talking about the Bible 24:23 all the time and all these spiritual things. 24:25 And that's unique. 24:26 But it seems like it was exactly what God wanted 24:29 and had in store for you guys. 24:31 That's what bonded us. 24:32 Did it really? 24:34 When I was teaching in the Catholic school system, 24:37 I had come to the point where I had prayed and I said, 24:40 Lord, I'm still single. 24:42 Do you want me to be a nun? 24:44 You know, I'm open to it. 24:45 Don't wanna be, 24:47 I'd rather be married and have kids. 24:48 But if you want me to be a nun, 24:50 I wanted to do whatever He wanted me to do. 24:53 I mean, He was my life, my joy. 24:56 So I wanted to do what He wanted me to do. 24:58 And I had told Him I said, if I'm to be married, 25:03 I want you to bring the man into my life. 25:05 I'm not gonna go looking. 25:07 I want you to bring him 'cause I wanna know, 25:08 I only want someone who You have brought me. 25:12 And when I met Joe and we got talking about 25:14 all this and I just felt like he was a gift. 25:19 He is a gift from God. 25:22 And that this was an answer to this. 25:23 He was like saying no, my dear, 25:28 this is the person I want you to spend your life with. 25:31 And it was, yeah. 25:33 And then she'd look at me and say, are you sure? 25:38 Wow. 25:39 So when did you start 25:41 discovering Nancy say the Sabbath, 25:42 then the Ten Commandments? 25:44 Well, I was doing that Revelation seminar 25:47 and I was working swing shifts and things. 25:49 And so I couldn't be there every night. 25:50 So I asked Nancy if she would go sit in 25:53 and take notes for me. 25:54 At the Revelation seminar? Yeah. 25:55 Pick up the papers. 25:57 And what did you think about that? 25:58 Were you excited or like, Oh, I guess? 26:00 Well, it was, yeah, it was a little bit leery. 26:03 I thought, well, 26:04 I kinda thought I could find where they were wrong, 26:08 you know, but I didn't know 26:10 what these people would be like, 26:11 you know, they're different. 26:14 And, but they were so nice and I really liked the pastor 26:18 that was presenting the Revelation seminar. 26:22 So I mean, I learned 26:25 and everything I heard and like I said, 26:27 my first impression was this can't be right. 26:31 But you know, 26:32 everything is back to the scripture. 26:34 And some of the very scripture that I had questioned, 26:37 they were, I mean, they had an answer for. 26:40 One of them being 26:42 this Sabbath wasn't just for the Jewish people. 26:44 The Sabbath was for all of us. 26:47 And so some of the very things, 26:49 and I had questioned the state of the dead as well, 26:52 because I did not want to think that there was people 26:54 I'd loved in hell because I mean, 26:57 I had lost relatives and I thought, 27:00 God, I couldn't stand it. 27:02 If they were burning in hell, I couldn't stand it. 27:05 And He brought John 3:16 clearly to mind, 27:10 that whoever believeth shall not perish, 27:15 but have eternal life. 27:16 And it hit me shall not perish. 27:18 I said, Lord, does that mean 27:20 that they don't burn in hell forever? 27:22 Does that mean they just perish? 27:25 I had a little peace about that. 27:27 And then when I was taken to Revelation seminar 27:29 and they taught that, I thought this place has truth. 27:34 Yeah. 27:35 And so then tell us how your job ended? 27:39 Oh, well, after we met 27:43 and six months later we married, 27:45 of course, I had to, I invited them to our wedding, 27:48 but the monks and the nuns, 27:52 but, of course they didn't come. 27:54 But some of them were very supportive, 27:56 you know, and stayed very friendly, 28:00 but they basically said, well, when I was teaching, 28:03 then the principal would come in. 28:05 The head, monk would come in and sit 28:07 and see what I was teaching. 28:08 And when the scriptures 28:11 and the church's teaching were different, 28:12 I would say, 28:14 now this is what the church teaches, 28:15 but this is what the Bible says. 28:17 Oh, wow! 28:19 Yeah, how did that go over? 28:20 Oh, it didn't go over. 28:22 It would go over with the kids, but... 28:23 Were you afraid to do that or not? 28:25 No. 28:26 I felt like I needed toâ | 28:28 I needed to present the truth, 28:29 but because I was in a Catholic mission school, 28:33 I wanted to present, you know, 28:34 this is what the church's teaching, 28:36 but this is what the Bible says. 28:38 And so... 28:40 So did they call you in like the principal's office? 28:42 I don't know what you call it in the Catholic school, butâ | 28:44 Yeah. 28:47 I was, like I said, it was a mission school. 28:49 It was a hard position to fill and I did have a contract 28:52 and they couldn't find anyone to replace me. 28:54 So I stayed until the end of my that year. 28:58 I finished off that year, but they, yeah, 29:01 they wrote up something that I could never again teach 29:03 in a Catholic school, which was fine. 29:07 'Cause I thought I can't teach the difference. 29:11 I can't teach to tradition and doctrines 29:14 that I didn't agree with anymore. 29:15 So, but that was fine, but... 29:17 And all things worked for good. 29:19 That's right. 29:20 She went back to school and took a few courses 29:23 in Adventist school teaching and got certified. 29:27 That is awesome. 29:29 I've got my credentials. 29:30 We do wanna talk about your time here at 3ABN. 29:31 So you met married six months. 29:34 And then when did you become baptized? 29:36 When did you finally decide, you know what? 29:38 We've got to make this decision. 29:41 Well, the important thing about that moment is that weâ | 29:46 Matthew, is it 6: 33? 29:49 Says, "Seek first the kingdom." 29:51 So we got baptized first. 29:53 And then the next day we got married, put God first. 29:59 Did you have any challenges, Joe, with the Sabbath, 30:01 with your job and situations there? 30:03 Oh, my goodness. 30:05 Oh, please help me, Lord, with this. 30:09 I was working at a place with swing shifts. 30:12 So every third week I had to work a Sabbath 30:15 either the evening shift after sundown or that Saturday. 30:19 And I went to the boss and told him 30:24 that I wouldn't be able to work Sabbaths anymore 30:28 because I joined this church 30:30 that kept the fourth commandment. 30:33 And he kidded about it being done away with and all. 30:38 And I said, no, because God says 30:40 I am the same yesterday, today and forever, 30:43 God says I change not. 30:45 God does not make mistakes. 30:48 Isaiah 66: 22-23 says, 30:51 "In the new earth, 30:53 we'll come together and celebrate the Sabbath." 30:55 It's eternal. 30:57 And I said, "I have to keep it." 30:59 And he says, "You'll never keep it here." 31:01 And that was the end of that. 31:02 So that was our, I knew he was gonna say it, 31:05 but I had to go through the steps. 31:07 So now that was accomplished. 31:09 So what I did was I started 31:10 using my vacation every Sabbath, 31:12 every third week, I would use my vacation, 31:15 but I knew it wasn't gonna last, 31:17 wasn't gonna hold out. 31:18 That's right. 31:20 So I'm doing this, now, all the guys, 31:21 this was a unionized place. 31:23 So the union president and vice president, 31:25 they're all laughing at me 31:27 and the management's all laughing at me saying, 31:29 "He's got trouble coming 31:30 and he's gonna run out of vacation, you know." 31:32 Then what's gonna happen? 31:34 And so at one point theyâ | 31:37 I was a relief man 31:39 on a set of saws for the Lehmann. 31:42 And every time that he would take a day off, 31:45 I'd have to fill in for him. 31:46 So he started taking days off on Friday nights, just for fun. 31:51 That's the president of the union. 31:52 So anyway the first time he scheduled me 31:57 to work for him... 32:01 we were making 4x8 sheets of board, 32:05 20 at a time. 32:07 So they'd fill these slots 32:09 and then this gigantic hydraulic press 32:12 would squeeze down and I don't know, 32:15 4,000 pounds of pressure or something and all this. 32:18 And then it was two stories high. 32:20 It was about three feet around. 32:23 And that Friday that I was supposed to work, 32:26 I'm telling the Lord, Lord, I don't wanna work. 32:29 You know that, but what am I to do? 32:32 I have a family and I have, they have a paycheck. 32:36 And so, I just don't know how to handle this. 32:39 And so, He's a good loving God that I didn't know real well. 32:43 I knew about Him, but I didn't know. 32:46 He knew about me that much. 32:48 You know, He's a busy guy, you know? 32:51 And so, Friday night at sundown 32:54 that huge hydraulic press 32:57 split its casing wide open 32:59 and the whole place kept the Sabbath. 33:01 Oh, wow. So the Lord worked a miracle. 33:05 Everyone had to be, well, they had to shut down, right? 33:07 Yeah. 33:08 Well, this is when I realized 33:11 God is a kind loving, caring, God. 33:14 Yeah. 33:16 He's a big God. 33:17 And He really did impress me that time. 33:19 I knew that He lived. 33:22 And so I want to impress 33:24 our viewers that. 33:25 Yes. God is real. 33:27 Now I'm having trouble. 33:28 This isn't a perfect Christian blessed life. 33:32 I'm going through some struggles, 33:34 but I want you to know He's there. 33:37 And if you need help... 33:40 miraculous things can happen. 33:42 And when they do, please, 33:44 don't write it off as good luck. 33:45 It's not good luck. 33:47 This is God loving you. 33:48 Amen. Okay. 33:50 Now, the next time they scheduled me 33:52 to work a Friday night, 33:54 the president took a night off to go to the bar room. 33:57 And the fella, 33:59 the boss upstairs has to sign the little slip that says, 34:02 Joe will work for you on Friday night at sundown, 34:05 ha-ha-ha, you know? 34:07 And so he's signing these and enjoying it. 34:09 And that week something strange happened. 34:16 A 400 horsepower electric motor huge 34:20 burst into flame. 34:21 And that was grinding up the trees coming in 34:24 to make these boards. 34:26 And so there was nothing being ground on Wednesday. 34:30 That's when it blew up was the Wednesday. 34:33 Wednesday it blew up. Okay. 34:35 So caught on fire, blew up Wednesday? 34:37 And on Thursday, they weren't making any board 34:39 because that break in the line didn't have anything to press. 34:45 And so on Friday unbeknown to me, 34:49 I'm trying to apologize to God 34:51 that I'm going to work Friday night 34:53 and right at sundown 34:57 the boards that were coming to me, 34:59 quit coming. 35:01 And I thought, Oh, that's right. 35:04 Two days ago, the motor burned up 35:07 and didn't make the board that didn't get here just now. 35:11 And I was so excited and confused. 35:15 God's there. 35:16 He's loving me again and saying, I got your back. 35:19 You're seeing miracles happen before you... 35:20 Before they call I'll answer. 35:22 But it was like, I had, 35:24 I had asked him when it happened, 35:26 Lord, why didn't you do that on Friday? 35:29 And then I realized... 35:31 It took two days to get down the assembly line. 35:33 The premonition was that he's weaning me. 35:36 He saying, Joe, I'm not going to do this forever. 35:39 I want you to stand on your feet 35:41 and keep My Sabbath, My holy fourth commandment, 35:44 because you want to and you trust me. 35:47 So I went outside behind a semi-truck... 35:56 in a grassy field 35:58 and I kneel down facing the sunset 36:01 as the Sabbath was beginning. 36:04 And I prayed a prayer that I didn't understand 36:07 what would happen. 36:09 I said, Lord, I'm promising You 36:13 that I will never work another Sabbath, 36:16 no matter what happens. 36:17 Wow. That's powerful. 36:19 It is. 36:20 If I lose my job, I lose it. 36:22 And that was it. 36:27 I went back up and on the Monday 36:31 I went back up to the boss's office... 36:36 to tell him this is it. 36:38 I will not be here anymore on Sabbaths. 36:42 And I knew I was going to get fired. 36:45 And he said, 36:48 "I got a letter here I wanna read you. 36:51 It's from your lawyer." 36:53 And I said, "I don't have a lawyer." 36:54 Had you engaged the lawyer? 36:56 I don't have a lawyer. 36:57 And he says, "It's from your lawyer 36:59 in Nebraska. 37:02 Just shut up and listen." 37:03 So I shut it up. 37:05 And you didn't know anything about a lawyer? 37:07 No. 37:08 What did it say? 37:10 It said that based on the Bill of Rights 37:13 in the Constitution, 37:15 and I think it was like section one, 37:21 something, one section seven, 37:24 the company has to accommodate 37:26 an employee for their religious beliefs. 37:31 And because you allow men to take off to go deer hunting, 37:35 because you allow men 37:36 to go to championship bowling matches, 37:40 because you allow men to go off 37:43 to play softball championships. 37:46 You have set a precedent that your function 37:48 is capable of allowing people off. 37:51 You have to allow him the same right 37:54 for his religious belief. 37:56 And I didn't know it at the time, 37:57 but my name is Joe O'Brien. 38:00 Well, I'm the heading of this group of lawyers. 38:02 One of them was an O'Brien. 38:05 I don't know how that fit into his brain, 38:07 but it was like, okay. 38:09 He says, "You can have your Sabbaths off from now on, 38:13 but don't let me catch you at the golf course." 38:17 And I said, "Dick where I'll be, 38:18 you're welcome to come." 38:20 I'm at church. 38:21 Yeah. Wow. 38:23 So that was that episode. 38:25 Andâ | Go ahead. 38:27 I was gonna ask you, Nancy. 38:28 So you're married at this point, 38:29 what's going through your mind because you're seeing 38:31 your husband here, but this is a big deal. 38:32 This is a paycheck for your family. 38:34 And you see that struggle, 38:35 what's going through your mind at this time. 38:36 Well, I knew the Lord would take care of us. 38:40 And I mean, they were treating him 38:44 very abusively too. 38:45 And so I felt too that, 38:48 you know, we've got to make a stand 38:49 and I was really, really proud and happy 38:51 that he made that stand. 38:53 And I knew somehow, I mean, 38:57 you know, you hear all the stories, 38:59 testimonies of people where God takes care of you. 39:01 And I just felt positive that we didn't have to worry. 39:07 Now the average life would have said you idiot. 39:13 And that was her faith. 39:18 I don't know either, Jill, but she was a godly woman. 39:21 Let's make a stand. 39:22 She was trusting in God. 39:24 I had learned to be like her to trust God. 39:26 It's beautiful. 39:27 And we were on a venture together. 39:30 And so... 39:32 All about getting to know God, isn't it? 39:33 Yes. And you're testing Him. 39:35 He was working miracles for you. 39:37 You were talking about maybe your faith 39:38 wasn't quite as strong, 39:40 but it was all part of that process. 39:41 But you knew that God wanted you to make a stand 39:43 and you did, and He came through. 39:45 And when that letter came, 39:47 it was just one more time that I realized, 39:49 and this is for our viewers, 39:51 when you're going through blazes, 39:54 don't say there's no God. 39:55 He's there. 39:57 And He's got the reins and when He needs to, 40:01 He'll use them. 40:02 And so, love your God. 40:05 Now what happened next was abusive. 40:08 Yes. 40:11 The workplace was abusive. Oh, yeah. 40:12 They wanted to get rid of me so bad. 40:14 They were trying to get him to quit. 40:16 Yeah. Yup. Right. 40:18 So inevitably they let me go. 40:20 Now, there was no reason for it. 40:23 The job was there 40:24 and they had to struggle to get somebody to work at 40:26 while they were finding somebody else 40:27 or hiring a new guy. 40:29 So it wasn't like I was really doing anything wrong. 40:31 And that's why I being a union member at that time, 40:36 I asked for an arbitrator. 40:38 I said, this isn't right. 40:40 It's not fair and it's going to show up 40:41 and we talk it over before an arbitrator. 40:44 So I want an arbitrator. 40:45 And so they set that all up. 40:47 Now, remember that the company is against me, 40:49 the union is against me. 40:51 And they all have lawyers and stuff. 40:54 And I'm alone. I have nobody. 40:55 I'm just going to talk, 40:57 tell the arbitrator the truth and trust God. 40:59 And so, as we went in the door to the building 41:02 where we're gonna sit and talk, one of the union members, 41:06 I don't know if he was a vice president 41:08 or secretary, treasurer or something. 41:09 He was a friend of mine. 41:10 We were friends. 41:13 We walked in the door together and he says, 41:15 "how does it feel, Joe? 41:17 Lion's three Christian zero." 41:21 So I just remembered that. 41:22 I thought, yeah, you're right. 41:23 I mean, he was right. It was the truth. 41:25 So we went in, we talked, I told my story. 41:28 They told their story, the union told their story. 41:30 The arbitrator took the management 41:32 into a separate room. 41:33 They talked for 45 minutes and they came out 41:37 and the arbitrator said, "You will have your job back. 41:41 You will have all of your benefits back. 41:44 Everything will be as it was." 41:47 Wow! 41:48 And I was... Including your Sabbaths off. 41:50 Yes. Wow. 41:51 Continue as it was 41:53 because that letter say I had that right. 41:54 So it was going to be exactly the same as it was. 41:56 So now we're walking out the door 41:59 and per chance I look over 42:01 and here's that friend of mine again. 42:03 And I looked at him and it's like, 42:05 the still small voice is one thing, 42:08 but God also uses his Bible to speak to us. 42:10 And he also uses premonitions, which are thoughts. 42:14 Now Satan can give you thoughts, 42:17 but the Holy Spirit gives you thoughts. 42:19 And those are what we call premonitions. 42:21 As I'm going out the door 42:23 and I look over and see my friend, 42:24 the premonition that came to me was 42:27 did you know that God in one is a majority? 42:30 Amen. That's right. 42:32 Amen. 42:33 He worked another miracle. 42:34 That's one of those times you're not talking. 42:37 The Holy Spirit is with us. 42:39 And he gives you what you need when you need it. 42:43 And so I went back to work for a while and we hadâ | 42:50 I was walking through the building one day 42:52 and here comes an electrician. 42:54 And I asked the electrician. 42:56 I said, "Whatever happened 42:58 with that 400 horsepower electric motor 43:00 that burst into flame." 43:03 He says, "That's an interesting story." 43:07 He said, "We packed it up on a truck, 43:10 send it to the iron range, 43:11 where they work on those big engines, 43:13 those motors. 43:15 And he said, 43:16 they took the hood off and everything 43:17 and blew it out with air. 43:19 And they cleaned it up a little bit. 43:22 And it worked, 43:23 there was nothing wrong with it." 43:25 They put the hood back on, send it back. 43:27 And we put it back online. 43:29 It's working now. 43:31 And I said, I was praying for a miracle 43:33 when that blew up. 43:35 And this guy admitted he was an atheist. 43:38 And he said, "Well, you got your miracle." 43:40 Wow! 43:42 What a testimony for him too. 43:43 So time has gone by quickly. 43:45 So as we think about them, 43:47 this is just growing your Christian experience, 43:49 your faith in God, what He is doing in your life. 43:52 You come here to 3ABN. 43:54 Tell us quickly about that call coming to 3ABN. 43:57 How did that take place? 43:58 You wanna me to tell. 44:00 Well, it's you. Okay. 44:01 Both, yeah. Yeah. 44:03 Our local church up northâ | 44:05 You were in Minnesota? 44:07 Yeah. 44:08 I was the Personal Ministry's director 44:09 and I wanted to get 3ABN downlink in our town. 44:13 And so I have strumming them and getting the troops together 44:16 and we saved money and saved money. 44:18 We had 20, a little over $20,000 44:20 in an account to get a downlink fixed up 44:23 and we only needed to get a FCC license. 44:26 And so I kept calling 3ABN. 44:28 Is the window open for applying for a license yet? 44:31 No, no. 44:33 It was never open. Okay. 44:34 And so the last call I made, I said "Oh, by the way, 44:37 do you have any jobs down there?" 44:40 Now this was real quick. 44:42 Before that I said to the Lord, one day I said, 44:43 "Lord, I really don't enjoy working for the world. 44:47 I would rather be working for You, 44:49 but I don't know what I could do. 44:51 You know, just so if You want me, 44:52 I want You to know You can have me." 44:54 Then I asked on the phone, 44:55 the next time I talked down here, 44:57 what would you do you have any jobs? 45:00 And the answer was, "What do you do?" 45:05 And I thought about, Oh my goodness, 45:08 engineering, telephone traffic, 45:09 after college two real estate licenses, 45:12 barber's license, fireman. 45:14 Oh, my goodness, fireman. 45:15 I said," Whatever you want, 45:17 whatever you need is what I do." 45:20 That's a great answer. 45:21 I love it. 45:22 And then what does your wife do? 45:25 And I said, "Well, 45:27 she's an ex Catholic school teacher 45:29 that got her Adventist school teaching credentials 45:34 and is teaching part-time in an Adventist school." 45:37 And they said, "Well, get your resumes, 45:38 come down here and we'll talk." 45:40 So we came down and talked and they hired us both 45:44 because they wanted a school. 45:45 And I remember Matthew 3:16 or 6:33 45:51 "Seek first the kingdom." 45:52 And that's what the employees do. 45:55 Seek His righteousness. 45:56 We try to do right, that's what the employees do. 45:58 And the promise was, 45:59 all these other things will be added unto you. 46:01 And that includes a school for your children. 46:04 And I said, "God's gonna give them a school 46:06 with or without us. 46:08 And I said, "We'll do it." 46:10 And they wanted a school. I said, "We'll do it." 46:11 'Cause I knew if we didn't somebody else would. 46:14 So we came down with our resumes. 46:16 They hired both of us. 46:17 And Nancy was gonna start a school. 46:20 And they said, "We're selling so many dishes so fast. 46:23 The eight footers are no more. 46:24 Now they're three footers and 18 inch ones. 46:26 And they're going out our door so fast. 46:28 We need help." 46:29 This was in '99, 1999. Yes. 46:31 1999. 46:32 So we were just stacking dishes in their boxes and wires 46:35 and stuff and pack them and stack them up. 46:36 And the UPS trucks were coming out here 46:39 a couple of times a day. 46:40 And when it rained, 46:42 it was fun because we had to bring them back inside. 46:43 That's right. 46:45 We didn't have any room, 46:46 but so that went on for a while 46:47 and then somebody who would 46:51 walk into accounting behind me every day, 46:55 time and again, was listening to me on the phone, 46:57 explaining to people how to put these in 46:59 and fine tune them and get the satellite lined up. 47:01 And we'd end up talking about religion and the Bible. 47:05 And I knew a lot ofâ | 47:06 I knew the Adventist doctrine pretty well by then, 47:08 after all that studying. 47:10 Yeah. Lots of studying. 47:11 They said, "We need you in the pastoral department." 47:14 So that was the end of my job there. 47:16 I went to the pastoral department 47:17 and that was, I've been there for ever since. 47:19 And what an incredible job there 47:20 that you are doing and have done there. 47:22 Thank you so much. 47:23 So, Nancy, for you, when you come into the school, 47:25 it's the $1 school. 47:27 They didn't have $1, that was good. 47:28 Yes. 47:29 For a Thompsonville Seventh-day Adventist School 47:31 and Christian School. 47:32 And you were the principal, first teacher. 47:34 Yeah. The only teacher. 47:36 The only teacher. They had to build it first. 47:38 Yeah. 47:39 So tell us quickly then you coming here 47:40 and taking that on. 47:42 Okay. 47:43 Well, because I had been teaching 47:44 in an Adventist school, 47:46 I knew that I needed to contact the conference, 47:49 the Illinois Conference here and find out 47:51 what books were they using. 47:53 So I bought the same books 47:54 that they were using in the Adventist schools. 47:57 And, you know, it was first time 47:59 ever to order things like desks and tables and bulletin boards 48:04 and chalkboards and whatever. 48:05 And I got toâ | 48:07 Excuse me, I got to order the playground. 48:08 Yeah, right. Yay. 48:10 Research that I visited a lot of schools 48:13 researching them... 48:15 And so, yeah, we put it together 48:16 opened the school in end of August of '99. 48:20 Was it really? Yeah. 48:22 You came in the spring of '99? 48:24 Yeah. In May. In May. 48:25 So it was just that summer that the building 48:27 was constructed for the school, 48:29 with the gym and the school? 48:30 Yeah. The gym wasn't totally done. 48:32 But the school part was, and so we started school. 48:36 And I mean, 48:37 it was the best teaching job ever. 48:40 Had the best kids ever. 48:41 We hired Jill Morikone to be our music teacher. 48:46 And that's where you worked together for what? 48:48 Ten years? Oh, 10 years. 48:49 And I loved my time there. 48:50 Nancy's so good with the kids. 48:52 She just, you know, you have such a heart for them. 48:54 And, yeah, those were your kids. 48:55 Piano teacher, 48:57 taught them to play the chimes for Christmas. 48:58 We did chimes, we did choir, 49:00 we did it on these programs. 49:02 Absolutely. 49:03 Joe was the school board chair for many years and just... 49:07 And the conference school board chair 49:09 for 12 years. 49:10 And I want to mention this too, 49:11 'cause we haven't mentioned Kalie, your daughter, 49:13 she was one of your first students. 49:14 Yes. 49:16 She was a fourth grader 49:17 when we opened school and there was... 49:18 Jonathan Babb was one of our first students. 49:20 He works here now as a what? 49:21 He's ourâ | 49:23 He's our office systems manager 49:25 and online store manager as well. 49:27 Yeah. 49:29 There's quite a few students working here 49:32 after they graduated. 49:33 Yeah. 49:34 So with distinction. 49:36 And how did you transition to the trust? 49:39 The process of that? Well, when I got to... 49:41 Planned Giving and Trust Services. 49:42 Right. 49:44 After I taught for 14 years 49:45 and I just felt like I was kind of burning out, 49:48 it's, you know, when you're multi grade teacher 49:51 and principal, it's a heavy load. 49:54 And so I just felt like, you know, 49:56 when I first started this, I was 14 years younger. 49:59 It seemed to be easier. 50:01 So I thought maybe a younger teacher 50:03 would be better. 50:04 So I prayed and I asked the Lord 50:07 'cause we have to let conference in January 50:10 and I prayed and I said, 50:11 "Lord could you provide a job 50:13 that I know I'm gonna get in January. 50:15 And so I can resign." 50:17 'Cause then I know that it's Your will, 50:19 but I can't start it until July. 50:22 And the Lord worked it out. 50:23 I mean, it was just like, 50:24 I was offered the trust job in January 50:28 and it didn't start till July. 50:30 Yeah. 50:32 Isn't that neat how the Lord works? 50:34 I think the key is, 50:35 and your testimony is just evidence of that. 50:37 It's just making yourself willing. 50:38 Yes. 50:40 Spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned. 50:41 So when you see something happen 50:43 and you think it's good luck, 50:44 remember that's the love of God in your life. 50:46 He's there. 50:48 Amen. Yeah. 50:49 And be willing to do daily what He wants us to do. 50:52 You know, I felt like when I was teaching, 50:54 I felt like I was teaching in His school 50:57 and I was teaching the kids about Him. 50:59 And I loved working with the kids there, 51:02 but then you get to the point where I just felt like, 51:04 you know, Lord, I felt like, 51:06 I think you're telling me it's time I can leave, 51:08 but I don't wanna leave unless it's okay with You. 51:11 So I think, you know, as long as we do that, 51:13 always seek His will and not our own. 51:16 Amen. 51:17 Well, we're almost out of time here. 51:18 We're gonna go to the news break 51:20 in just a moment, but tell us about Kalie 51:21 and she grew up and got married 51:23 and what she's doing now, your daughter Kalie? 51:24 Oh wow. Yeah. 51:26 She's in international rescue and relief. 51:28 It was their major. 51:29 And she's actually the program director now 51:31 for that at Union College. 51:33 She and her husband are professors 51:35 or assistant professors teaching the classes. 51:38 And right now they're up in Alaska. 51:40 They've spent, 51:42 went out for the whole semester. 51:44 And they did things like avalanche rescue 51:47 and glacier travel and crevice rescue 51:52 and their kids are learning all of this, how to survive. 51:56 They did the snowshoeing how to survive 51:58 in a cold environment 52:01 when there's no electricity, no running water. 52:05 No firewood. Yeah. No fire. 52:07 But how do youâ | 52:09 What do you do with people that you come upon 52:10 that have hypothermia? 52:12 You know, how do you treat these? 52:13 So they've been training them on all that. 52:16 Amen. It's amazing. 52:18 Yeah. 52:19 I can't believe our time is almost gone 52:20 and we're gonna go to a news break right now. 52:22 And then we'll be back with some closing thoughts 52:24 from Joe and Nancy, 52:25 but I hope that you have been encouraged 52:26 seeing what God has done in their lives 52:29 and what God wants to do and can do in yours. 52:33 We'll be right back. Amen. |
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