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Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY220011A
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00:04 I want to spend my life
00:10 mending broken people. 00:15 I want to spend my life 00:21 removing pain. 00:26 Lord, let my words 00:31 heal a heart that hurts. 00:36 I want to spend my life 00:42 mending broken people... 00:47 I want to spend my life 00:53 mending broken people. 01:07 Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today program. 01:10 We're so glad that you have joined us today! 01:12 You know, we're so thankful that you're part of the 3ABN 01:15 family, and thank you so very much for your prayers 01:18 and financial support for the ministry of 3ABN. 01:21 Ultimately, the Lord Jesus Christ is Captain of the ship, 01:24 but He's using you as a vessel 01:27 to pour through this ministry - um-hmm - to impact 01:30 the entire world. Wow! What a thought, right? 01:34 So we just thank you for being a part of the family. 01:36 We look forward to spending this one hour with you 01:38 each and every day. Thank you for inviting us 01:41 into your living room or maybe you're... as I mentioned 01:43 driving in your car and listening to 3ABN Radio. 01:46 We're just so glad that you're part of the 3ABN family. 01:49 Jill, today there's a testimony program and I love testimonies. 01:53 And I love the testimony programs because it testifies 01:57 to the goodness of God. Amen. 02:00 And it testifies also that God cares about you. 02:05 Never forget that. 02:06 You can hear a testimony - this is a powerful testimony - 02:09 but remember that God has a tes- timony... you have a testimony 02:12 to share about what God is doing in YOUR life. 02:14 Never forget that. But this program today 02:17 means something special to me because... And why does it mean 02:20 mean something special? Yes... great question. 02:22 Comes from my old stomping grounds. 02:24 Don't know if you've ever heard those words before. 02:27 So home, of course, has been in Illinois for like 23 years 02:30 or so, but my growing-up years were what we call the tristate 02:34 area which is West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and Ohio. 02:39 So this testimony comes from West Virginia 02:41 and so it's near and dear to me. Absolutely! 02:43 And I think your parents had something to do with this 02:47 testimony as well which is exciting. We might hear 02:49 a little bit about that. But I love testimonies - me too - 02:52 because today we're going to meet an incredible couple 02:54 and we're going to see where God brought them from, 02:58 where God is using them now, 03:01 and what God is going to do in their lives. 03:03 We look forward with EAGER EXPECTATION - that's right - 03:06 to what He's going to do in their lives in the future. 03:09 So it's a testimony of grace. 03:11 It's a testimony of God's love. 03:13 And I can't wait to introduce them to you. 03:16 Pastor D.W. West and his wife Amber. 03:19 And we are delighted to have you here. 03:22 Of course, Pastor D.W. is in the Mountain View Conference 03:24 and we'll hear in a little bit. You're the administrative 03:26 assistant, Amber - yes - for the president there 03:29 in the Mountain View Conference. 03:30 And we'll hear a little bit about what you're doing now 03:32 but let's just jump right into your testimony. Good! 03:35 Go back to the beginning Pastor D.W. 03:37 Tell us what life was like growing up. 03:41 Well, life growing up was very interesting. 03:46 You know, we were young... My family was very different. 03:50 My mom's side of the family was very Pentecostal 03:54 while you had my father's side of the family 03:56 that was separated. You had Catholicism and Baptist. 04:01 So we eventually became United Methodists. 04:05 And very quickly we were given a prophecy seminar 04:09 flyer in the mail, and it was called Prophecy Explosion 04:12 with Dr. Russell Burrow, and boy, I was blessed! 04:16 I didn't even go to the children's programs 04:18 because I really was interested 04:21 in the true Word of God. 04:23 OK... so you were a young man, then, 04:24 is what you are saying then? I was 7. You were 7 years old? 04:27 OK... so your parents... Oh, hold on... hold on. 04:28 Let's read it nine. Nine... sorry. 04:31 I was seven when we joined the United Methodist church. 04:34 OK. Boy time flies, huh? 04:36 You were nine, and you actually went to the adult meetings 04:39 not the children's meetings. Yes, all 26. 04:40 They tried to get me to go to the youth meetings 04:43 but they quickly found out when I was asking Russell Burrow 04:46 and President Randy Murphy thirty questions a night 04:49 that I wasn't going to work in the children's room. 04:52 So this was a nine-year-old asking questions. 04:55 BIG questions. Wow! Praise the Lord. 04:57 Do you remember some of those questions? 04:59 Well I needed to understand why all these other churches 05:03 were worshiping on Sunday. 05:06 That was something I never understood. 05:08 Wow! I mean, this is all Bibli- cal. You read it in the Bible. 05:11 It speaks for itself. 05:13 And I was just confused as to why 05:15 so many people had been deceived by Satan. 05:18 But as I had grown older and as I went through the series 05:22 and we went through spiritual warfare 05:24 I quickly was shown how it happened. 05:27 And it all goes back to church history. 05:30 Um-hmm. You know, that's pretty incredible 'cause I think about 05:33 the journeys of life. 'Cause Jill mentioned 05:35 you're a pastor now which is just incredible how God 05:38 took you to that point, but I think about also 05:40 what you're getting ready to share also because OK, 05:42 your parents are very religious sounds like right? 05:45 But you had questions about the faith. 05:47 Right? And then this flyer comes in the mail. 05:49 And then you're like: "Wow! Maybe this is truth then! " 05:52 This is a young man, right? Yes. 05:54 But then some things happen in your life that kind of sends you 05:56 down a downroad spiral. What happens next? 06:00 Well... before we could really get to that 06:02 you have to understand I went to Parkersburg Junior Academy. 06:06 SDA? Yes, it's a Seventh-day Adventist Academy. 06:09 It's sponsored by Parkersburg SDA Church 06:12 and many other Mt. View Conference churches. 06:14 And if I wouldn't have went there for three years 06:18 there wouldn't have been a foundation. Umm. 06:19 In fact, when I came back to the church 06:22 Kara Mace who went to the school with me 06:25 she reached out to me to invite me to Ten Nights of Prayer. 06:29 And that's how I was invited back into the church. 06:32 So I believe God worked very quickly 06:35 because He had that foundation set in me 06:38 for those three years that I went to the school. 06:40 Now, this is no accident. 06:42 When I came back to the church 06:44 and started working for the school 06:46 guess what happened? I began working 06:48 with a person named Darlene Molina... Mrs. Molina... 06:52 formerly Miss Whiteman... 06:55 who was my art teacher when I went to school there. 06:58 Oh wow! Now you know that God has things "providenced" out. 07:02 And it was very clear to me that God was calling me back 07:05 into the ministry. Wow! So let's go back 07:08 just for a moment to when you were nine 07:09 and you attended the prophecy series 07:13 and you learned about all these truths, these answers 07:16 to these questions that you had. 07:17 And then you and your family were baptized at that point? 07:20 We came in by profession of faith. 07:22 We were just recently baptized into the United Methodist church 07:26 OK - but they don't like to talk about prophecy. 07:29 They don't like to talk about Revelation. 07:30 So that was kind of difficult for us 07:33 and we wanted to be fed by the true... 07:35 we wanted to be rooted in the Biblical truth of God 07:39 from His Bible and His Word. 07:41 And I think we have a video. Let's see if we can play 07:44 just a clip. This is you when you were nine years old 07:46 coming into the church then, right? That's right. OK. 07:49 And you'll hear them talk about Russell Burrow and President 07:52 Randy Murphy as well. 07:54 Let's take a look at that video right now. 07:57 We know that D.W. will not only lead his parents 08:00 to the Lord. We feel that God will use him 08:03 in a mighty way to lead many others to the Lord, too. 08:06 Amen! 08:11 You know, I think what's amazing about that video 08:13 D.W. is that here you are, a young man. You're 9 years old. 08:17 You're standing up there on the platform with your parents. 08:20 That's your parents right there in that video as well, 08:22 going back to the mid 90's you said? 1995! 08:25 1995. That's why the quality is the way it is. 08:29 But I just again... which we're going to touch on again... 08:31 this is an incredible testimony. 08:33 But again how they said you had an impact on your 08:36 parents' life but then they said - almost like a prophecy - 08:38 may I say that and say "You're going to have an impact 08:41 in many other lives for eternity. " 08:43 And look at God! Look what God has done. 08:46 We're going to get more into that. Hallelujah! Amen! 08:49 In very little time! Yes... Amen. 08:51 Amber, let's go to you. Yes. So tell us about your growing up. 08:54 Did you grow up in a Christian family? Parents love the Lord? 08:58 Well yes, my grandmother was very religious 09:00 and she attended the Methodist church in my community 09:03 and my mother as well. 09:04 In West Virginia? In West Virginia. OK. 09:06 We would go to church every Sunday and Wednesday's. 09:09 And yeah, I was rooted in Christianity. 09:12 You know, I had God in my heart when I was very young. 09:17 Um-hmm. So yeah, I was in the Methodist church 09:22 until my teenage years. 09:24 And you know at that time my youth pastor left my church 09:28 and a lot of different things were happening in my life. 09:32 My mother and my father got divorced. 09:35 Ah... My mother moved out. 09:37 Did that make you question God or? It did. 09:40 How did it impact? It was embarrassing... 09:42 more so at that time because none of my friends parents 09:45 were divorced. How old were you? I was 09:49 going into high school so I think I... Yeah. 09:52 I was a teenager 09:54 and it was right before I was going into high school. 09:57 So a lot of changes were happening in my life. 10:00 Yeah. So yeah, that happened and I stopped going to church 10:04 and I questioned my faith. 10:08 And I started searching for a different way 10:14 of what I believed. 10:16 And so I was out of the church for many years. 10:21 And right after I graduated high school 10:27 my father passed in his sleep. 10:29 Oh... And I was a Daddy's girl 10:31 so that really affected me. 10:33 And that made me hate God 10:37 and I didn't believe in Him at all at that point. 10:41 Did you think that God had caused your father to die? 10:45 Or that He had allowed him to die? Or? 10:49 Um, yeah, I think I believed that God 10:54 didn't care about me, you know. 10:57 Allowed... took him out of my life 10:59 so I felt abandoned. Yes. 11:01 And at that point, I rebelled. 11:08 Let's just say that. 11:09 So through high school I was rebellious 11:12 and I did what I wanted. 11:14 And for many years I was lost 11:19 and sinning and doing things you shouldn't do. 11:24 And I just... it took many years 11:30 really for me to come back to God. 11:32 MANY years. 11:34 And the way I came back was actually D.W. 11:37 invited me to church... to his SDA church. 11:41 Wow! And I didn't really want to go. 11:45 But why did I invite you? 11:47 Why did you invite me? 11:51 We were going to get married. 11:52 Yes. So let's put a pause on that for just a second. 11:56 Let's leave you where you're say wandering: 11:59 you know, as far as mad at God, upset. 12:02 We'll pause you coming back to church 12:04 and let's go to your years of wandering, D.W. 12:07 You came in by profession of faith at 9 years old. 12:11 Went to Parkersburg Junior Academy 12:12 and then what happened? Did your walk with God 12:15 stay consistent or what happened? 12:17 It stayed consistent for a very long time. 12:20 I became a junior deacon, was very heavily involved 12:23 with the church with my father and my mother. 12:25 However, unfortunately, Parkersburg Junior Academy 12:29 didn't have a choral music program. 12:31 So you loved music then? 12:33 I did! And in fact in sixth grade I was... 12:37 Judy Hinson helped me with the University of Illinois. 12:42 I will save you from having to hear the alma mater. 12:46 OK. But anyway... what was neat 12:50 was that they wanted me to go to that school 12:52 so they were going to give me a scholarship. 12:54 It was a blessing, but I turned it down 12:57 because as I got older - and we can get into that 13:00 later if you want - but my mom went to the... 13:03 to prison. She was imprisoned in the state of West Virginia 13:06 at the very same time that Martha Stewart was in prison. 13:09 So that was really hard on me... especially in high school. 13:13 So as my dad kept... He fell back into the world 13:18 and was drinking and smoking 13:19 and had DUI's and he was on home confinement. 13:22 And here was my mom in prison and I'm really all alone 13:26 to figure everything out on my own. 13:28 There's no choral music program at Parkersburg Junior Academy. 13:31 So then I go to the junior high and then I go to the high school 13:35 and it just keeps getting worse and worse. 13:38 But I thought things were going well. 13:40 You know, and I became a musician. 13:43 And we just took off and we became very popular. 13:46 And then I started a recording studio and a record label 13:49 up in Columbus. But my parents became sick 13:52 so I came home. Was your mom still in prison? 13:55 Or she had gotten out? She finally got back out of prison. 13:58 And so we came home... or I came home 14:02 because Amber and I hadn't... 14:03 We knew each other from high school - 14:05 OK - but we weren't really close. 14:07 So we actually didn't get close until I moved back 14:10 from Columbus. You made just an interesting statement here 14:13 just a couple of seconds... minutes ago... 14:15 and that was: "Things were getting worse and worse 14:17 but you thought they were getting better and better. " 14:20 Yeah, that is interesting. So explain that a little bit 14:23 because there could be someone right now saying: "Yeah, my life 14:24 is pretty good" but actually it could be going downhill. 14:27 Well, can I share something with you? Please. 14:32 Yesterday I read this post. I shared it for my birthday 14:35 in 2016 and I thanked everybody for the birthday wishes 14:39 and I said: "I really feel like my life is headed in the right 14:42 direction" and I thought that was great. 14:45 But I wasn't heading in the right direction. In fact, 14:48 my life destructed all the way up until 2019 14:52 when I was invited to that Ten Days of Prayer. 14:55 And I shared that post and I said: "How foolish I was! " 15:00 OK, so explain, though, you talk as far as going down. 15:03 Are you talking like drugs? Alcohol? Oh yes! 15:06 Because life seemed good. In other words, 15:08 you seemed successful by the world's standards? 15:10 I was successful by the world's standards. You see 15:13 I owned a pro wrestling company. 15:15 We worked with TNA Impact wrestling. 15:18 We worked with WWE. 15:20 I'm on the WWE Network. I'm on all these wrestling 15:23 shows. I was a promoter... one of the top promoters 15:26 in the country. Not only that, but my Americana group 15:29 the Thorny Flat Mountain Boys at one point in time, we were 15:33 number one in the nation on the independent charts 15:36 and that's when I'm comin' back into the church. 15:38 And the devil was tryin' to get back to me. 15:41 You see, he will get us any way he can. 15:45 But then when he realizes he can't beat you up that way 15:49 any more he tries to find another sin you know in you 15:52 and he will come at us. BUT we have a God who is greater, 15:56 Amen? And I know that God has truly delivered me 15:59 from this and I know this was "providenced" out. 16:03 And it's not going to stop here. 16:05 I mean, I'm working with people in Uganda. 16:08 I'm working with people in Marietta, Ohio. 16:10 Two groups! Right now currently I work 16:13 with two groups in Uganda. 16:15 Now, I don't want anybody to be confused. 16:17 That's a hobby. We can get into that later. 16:20 But as far as my official duties 16:24 I have Marietta, which is interesting 'cause that's the 16:27 Ohio Conference - that's right - and I'm in the Mt. View Conf. 16:30 as a pastor for the Point Pleasant SDA church. 16:33 We'll talk more about that, too, but I'm not trying to harp 16:36 on this aspect of it but there's a lot of people 16:39 that struggle with addictions. I mean, it's unfortunate. 16:43 Maybe you are struggling with an addiction. 16:45 So maybe both of you want to speak on that 16:46 'cause you talked about also you struggling in high school years 16:48 right? So let's talk about that 16:51 aspect because God has obviously delivered you both. 16:53 Yes. So what is your question? My question is then 16:57 on addiction. So how does one overcome addiction? 16:59 Talk about the addiction part and then how do you actually 17:02 overcome that addiction 'cause this is a powerful aspect 17:03 to your testimony. Do you want to talk on that Amber? 17:05 Yeah, we were in bars every weekend 17:07 and during the week 'cause he played a lot of gigs. 17:10 And I wasn't ever much of a drinker - 17:14 but I would attend to support my husband. 17:18 of course - on his music career. I would always attend. 17:22 I would watch other people being intoxicated 17:27 and... Did you drink as well? 17:30 Occasionally but not much. I wasn't a drinker. 17:34 I wasn't a drinker. 17:37 I didn't really ever like the taste of alcohol. 17:39 So anyway... So my husband... you know, he was playing music 17:43 so I feel like he thought he needed to drink to perform 17:47 and you know just that aspect of it. 17:50 And we had many years of late nights... 17:55 late drunken nights -fights, But it got worse - and what not. 18:00 But yeah, it did get worse. 18:05 It started out mild - OK - 18:09 but as his career and his music career got more intense... 18:14 More successful which is incredible, isn't it? 18:16 Yeah, more successful. From the world's standards 18:18 you looked successful. Yes, uh-huh. 18:21 From that aspect it turned down a dark road. 18:25 And it was hard on our marriage. 18:28 And D.W. hid things from me. 18:32 That was very hard, and, yeah... So D.W. 18:36 would you like to talk? Well... 18:42 I developed a cocaine problem 18:45 because... You know, it's interesting: I hated cocaine. 18:49 I never was one that liked to go "up. " 18:52 I liked to go "down. " 18:54 And she knew that, so it was so weird that I... 18:57 but because in the blue grass industry it's everywhere. 19:01 Even in some of these Christian music industries 19:04 it's everywhere. 19:06 It's really sad. I tried to give it up twice. 19:10 Cocaine? I did. It was rough. 19:13 I mean, I overcame pain killer addiction 19:16 when I was much younger while my mom was in prison. 19:19 That was actually pretty easy. 19:20 Cocaine was hard... I couldn't give it up. 19:24 I tell you... Did Amber know you were struggling with cocaine? 19:27 Oh yeah. That was the things I was hiding from her. 19:29 She'd keep catching me and catching me 19:31 and catching me. It was gettin' worse 19:33 and I don't know if we were going to make it to be honest. 19:36 You know, it was kind of... So here you are. 19:39 You're running some businesses and you're addicted to cocaine. 19:42 That's amazing... yeah. Yeah, I was. 19:45 And because I had to work there wasn't enough hours 19:48 in one day. But you know what? 19:50 There's not enough hours in one day? 19:52 But if we can surrender to Jesus, if we can surrender 19:56 to God and if we do His work and we don't burn ourselves out 20:00 and we ask Him to interrupt our lives 20:02 and to direct our schedules then He will make those 24 hours 20:06 work. Amen to that! 20:08 So let me tell you how I overcame it: I didn't. 20:12 Very good. That's good. You want to know what happened? 20:14 I was invited to that Ten Nights of Prayer. 20:16 Pastor Daniel was there; Valerie was there. 20:19 We did the Ten Nights of Prayer. Kara invited me. 20:23 I walked in... I'm not going to lie to you: 20:25 I had a bag of cocaine. I did a line downstairs. 20:27 Won't even lie... right in the bathroom. 20:29 Wow! Sad, isn't it? Mercy! 20:32 This is the Parkersburg church where you had been when you were 20:34 a young person? Yeah. So we go upstairs; 20:36 we do the Ten Nights of Prayer. 20:38 I'm crying like a baby I'm so convicted. 20:41 And then I go back downstairs 20:44 and I poured all that cocaine into the toilet 20:48 and I flushed it and I have not touched it since. 20:51 Wow! Praise the Lord! 20:53 In January of 2019 and I will never touch it again. 20:57 You see, I will only rely on the Lord 21:00 and the Lord only. God will direct our steps. 21:04 "Thy Word is a lamp unto our feet & a light unto our path. " 21:07 You see, if this room was completely dark 21:10 and we set up 40 chairs from that doorway 21:14 to the doorway back there and we couldn't see 21:17 but we got our little cell- phones and our flashlight out 21:20 we could make it each chair by chair 21:22 but you wouldn't be able to like skip 6 chairs. Right. 21:25 You see, we can't see 5 or 10 yrs. down the road. 21:28 That's good. But the Holy Spirit will lead us. 21:30 And that's why every day in order to overcome addiction 21:34 you have to give it to Jesus. 21:37 And I know that sounds cliché 21:38 and maybe I sound like a broken record... 21:41 Oh I did it... Maybe I sound like a broken record 21:44 but the fact of the matter is 21:46 is we have to surrender these problems to Jesus. 21:49 That's right. Because I tried twice 21:52 and then I went back to cocaine, right? 21:55 But the moment I surrendered it to Jesus 21:58 I gave it up for good. 21:59 Now you know who taught me that? 22:02 My father. My father was able to overcome alcohol 22:07 and cigarettes. By the blood of Jesus Christ 22:10 he would claim it, and he could quit cold turkey 22:13 and have no detoxing or anything. 22:16 Wow! That's incredible. You know: the Lord is powerful. 22:18 He is! God is good. 22:20 You know, it's the surrender aspect. And talking about 22:22 Pastor Daniel and Valerie, and of course, that's my folks. 22:24 And I remember my dad and mom mentioning: "Wow! 22:27 There's an incredible young man and young woman 22:30 that are attending the church and are so excited 22:33 and so passionate. " And little did any of us know 22:36 right? where God was going to be leading you all. 22:38 And here you are working at the conference office. 22:39 The Lord has given you some churches. One that was closed 22:42 which we'll talk about in just a minute and it's open 22:43 now, but I just go back to hope. 22:47 There's someone right now that's in despair. 22:49 There's someone that's goin' to the bars every night 22:51 or their alcohol, cigarettes, drugs. 22:54 Maybe just flipped the channel right now; just came across this 22:57 like: "There's no hope for me... God's done with me. " 23:00 But there IS hope! There is hope. 23:01 Let's speak on that and then we'll move on 23:03 to your testimony. You want to speak to that 23:04 then about the hope? That you don't give up? 23:06 Yes. So actually I attended a women's retreat 23:10 for the Mountain View Conference office. OK. 23:12 And I was hesitant about it, you know. 23:15 Why were you? Why was I hesitant? 23:17 Because I didn't pray. I didn't read the Bible. 23:23 I, you know... Were you still mad at God? 23:26 Oh yes! Your father passed? My father passing, yes. 23:29 Very mad. So I go to this women's retreat 23:32 and I meet lovely women. 23:34 And I find out that the speaker 23:40 she was very... a wonderful speaker. 23:43 And she came and I think she's in 3ABN. 23:47 OK? Was it Linda? 23:49 Linda, yes! Linda Johnson. Linda Johnson. 23:51 We LOVE Linda. Yes! So she spoke about her father. 23:54 She had recently lost her father. 23:57 That's correct. And that touched me. 24:00 When I went there I was very... I was "Ah, 24:05 I'm going to this retreat. I don't even... Yeah. " 24:09 I was not feeling it. We're probably gonna be reading 24:12 the Bible. Yes! They're gonna be praying and all this stuff. 24:14 Yes. I was uncomfortable, but I went out of my comfort zone. 24:17 Good for you! And the second night 24:21 I asked... I talked to God. I sat in my chair 24:24 and I forgave him. 24:28 I said: "OK, well... nothing's working. 24:34 You know, nothing that I'm doing is working. 24:37 so I guess maybe I'm wrong? " 24:40 And yeah, I left there 24:45 and a few weeks later I had a dream. 24:50 And it was at the Parkersburg church. And I woke up 24:54 from the dream, and from the dream I got 24:58 this man at the front of the... by the piano 25:03 at the front of the church he had his arms wide open. 25:06 And I ran and I hugged him. 25:10 And it felt like my father. 25:12 You know, when you hug your parents 25:17 you know that love... I could feel it. 25:19 And when I woke up I was like: "Wow! 25:24 that wasn't my dad. " But it felt like my dad. 25:28 And I realized, though, my father was gone 25:31 and that he was sleeping. 25:33 That my heavenly Father had been with me the entire time - Amen - 25:39 that I was struggling. Yeah... yes. 25:41 See that's powerful 'cause we're talking about hope. 25:43 That's hope. So in the midst of your struggles 25:47 God's right there. You may not always feel Him 25:49 and know that He's there but He is, right? 25:51 That's what you're saying. Um-hmm... yep. 25:52 Through the pain 'cause you were in many years of pain. 25:55 Many. Trying to find God. Yes. 25:57 He was right there all along as part of that journey. 25:59 So I want to encourage you today too. If you're discouraged 26:02 or like: "This is it... there's nothing left" 26:04 yes there is. God is right there beside you. 26:07 Trust Him, surrender, and talk to Him. 26:09 You know, I think that's the thing too. 'Cause a lot of times 26:11 in our pain and in our discouragement 26:13 we won't talk. Hun-huh, right? We need to talk 26:16 and I think we need to be straight out with God. 26:18 Amen! "You know, God, I'm mad at You. " 26:19 "I'm mad at You. " It took me 10, 15 years to do that. 26:24 Wow! That's powerful. 26:27 And you were baptized. I think we have a picture of that. 26:31 And who baptized you? 26:33 Actually my husband did. 26:35 There is a picture. What a beautiful picture! 26:37 And this was just? When was this? 26:40 What year was that when you were? 26:41 It was 2020? A few years ago. 26:45 Wow! Yeah... what a special day. 26:48 Amen! I think about what you said about hope. 26:52 You know we all go through struggles. 26:54 You know, my dad had open-heart surgery. 26:56 Three back surgeries as I was a kid. 26:58 My parents were going to get a divorce. 27:01 He kept getting these DUIs and being put on home confinement. 27:05 And then eventually he became a drug and alcohol counselor. 27:09 Then my mom was arrested for embezzling all this money 27:12 from the state of West Virginia. 27:13 You know, then I went through all of the struggles 27:16 of addiction and being out in the world 27:18 and really working for the great Deceiver. 27:20 SO THERE IS HOPE! 27:22 You can't give up. You've gotta give it to Jesus. 27:25 We all need Jesus Christ. 27:27 We need Jesus... He is our only hope. 27:30 And if we can surrender these problems to Jesus Christ, 27:34 He will deliver each and every one of us 27:37 from those problems. But if we can't learn 27:39 to surrender to Him - and I'm going, to be honest with you - 27:42 we have to get up early in the morning. 27:46 We have to pray to God for the Holy Spirit, 27:49 and we have to be led into His Word according to His will. 27:52 Wow! And we have to be inviting people to church. 27:55 And I'll say something that's tough: 27:57 if you're inviting somebody to church and they're not coming, 27:59 they may not trust you yet. 28:01 So you need to work on friendship evangelism. 28:04 That's very important. 28:05 The more you gain that trust and that influence 28:08 the more they are going to be willing to come to your church. 28:11 So there is hope for people who are struggling. 28:15 And if God can use me... if God can cry out 28:18 through the rocks and God can use donkeys 28:21 He can use anyone and folks, He can use you! 28:24 Amen! Friends, He can use you. 28:26 Hope is here. Jesus wins in the end. 28:29 We don't have to worry about anything. No, we don't. 28:31 Exodus 14:14 says that the Lord will fight your battles for you. 28:36 That's right. "And you shall hold your peace. " Amen? Amen! 28:39 I love that; that's incredible! 28:41 Thank you both for sharing that. 28:43 I think it gives such encourage- ment to us here - It does! 28:46 and to you at home as well. I love that! 28:48 So let's talk about your marriage was recovering 28:51 and healing. You were baptized there in the church. 28:55 And tell us the journey. Obviously, you're a pastor now. 28:59 So how do you come from just coming back into the church 29:03 and attending those Ten Days of Prayer 29:05 and you know leaving that old life behind? 29:07 Those businesses and all of that stuff? 29:09 The cocaine addiction... all of that stuff "put to bed? " 29:12 So how do you go from there to being a pastor? 29:15 Walk us through that journey. 29:16 So I had some savings and I began to volunteer. 29:20 So I wasn't making any money for a couple years. 29:23 But I felt the call to do that. 29:26 And then I went to the Summer Camp and I worked there. 29:29 And you weren't paid much but it's a mission. 29:33 It's very important. If you've never done Summer Camp 29:36 it's very important that you do Summer Camp. 29:38 It is a huge mission. It will transform you. 29:42 It will change your heart. As you do more Christian service 29:45 God will mold you 29:47 and you become more like the character of Christ you see. 29:51 So I went there and it began to humble me. 29:53 And I thought maybe I was just called back into the church 29:56 to be this musician. 29:57 Well quickly God said: "No, no, no, no, no, no! " 30:00 So we go to GYC 30:02 and I watch Dean Cullinane speaking. Yes! 30:05 I talked with him, and we were having struggles too. 30:08 And before I knew it 30:10 Pastor Daniel saw the call. Elder Mike Hewitt saw the call. 30:15 You know, there were some others that didn't see the call. 30:19 And that was a struggle. 30:22 But you know what? It's not about man... it's about God. 30:25 You know, and God saw the call for me to still be a minister. 30:29 And He called me down to Point Pleasant. 30:31 And if He didn't want me there, 30:32 He would have never grown that church. 30:35 The same as if He didn't want me in Marietta 30:37 He would have never grown that church. 30:38 If He didn't want my hobby in Uganda to happen, 30:42 He wouldn't grow this Tigera Baptist Church 30:44 who follow SDA doctrine from 100 people to 700 people. 30:50 So you see: God is doing amazing things. 30:53 And it has nothing to do with us. 30:56 He can do it with you out there, folks! 30:59 You just have to be trained, empowered, 31:02 and you just need the Holy Spirit. 31:05 And if you have the Holy Spirit and you truly surrender... 31:09 I mean, it's one to profess Christ with your lips 31:11 but it's another thing to go out and do it. 31:14 We can be hearers but it's much better to be doers. 31:18 Amen. It's a really good question you asked him 31:21 and great response to that. I want to go back to just 31:23 I want to touch back. We've got a few more minutes 31:25 and we do want to talk about your churches like we mentioned. 31:27 But I want to go back to you. You flushed the cocaine. 31:29 I mean these are all really... there's so many aspects 31:32 to your testimony. I mean it's incredible. 31:34 You might have to do 4 parts. Might have to! 31:35 'Cause there's so many things in all of our journeys. 31:39 And so you attend these Ten Days of Prayer. 31:42 And what I like is that you attended. 31:44 It wasn't like: "OK, I've gotta be perfect; do everything right. 31:46 Not on drugs anymore... everything. " 31:48 I think sometimes we feel like we've gotta come to the Lord 31:50 and be just right and perfect. That's not how God wants us. 31:52 That's right! He wants us to come just as we are. 31:55 That's right, exactly Amber. So you flushed the cocaine? 31:57 Without one plea. Exactly. 31:58 Like the song says. So you flushed the cocaine 32:00 down the toilet and you're right there, too. 32:03 Right? You're like: "Hey, yeah, I support you. This is good! " 32:05 Is that right Amber? 'Cause he just made his decision. 32:07 No. At that point I wasn't in the church. 32:11 I would come on occasion but I saw God working in his life. 32:15 OK. You know, we were a little distant 32:18 but I watched him change. 32:20 And then I realized: "Well, I've supported him 32:24 through his music career. 32:26 I've supported him through professional wrestling 32:30 so maybe I need to support him with this. " 32:33 With the religion aspect? With, you know, him serving. 32:38 OK. And so I just... I decided to 32:44 start attending church with him. 32:45 And we started reading the Bible together. 32:48 Wow! And yeah... that was very powerful. 32:54 You know, as we make these decisions for Christ 32:56 Satan's upset, too. Oh yes! 32:58 Um-hmm. Yeah... your vices. 'Cause you were talking about 33:01 OK... you're getting involved in the church, right? 33:04 You thought that God was calling you back to just do music 33:07 ministry but then you realized maybe that wasn't quite 33:09 everything and sometimes we can get discouraged. 33:11 So how do you work through that discouragement? 33:13 Because you accepted Jesus and some people... 33:16 you know we think everything's going to be a bed of roses. 33:19 So how do you work through that 33:20 so one doesn't become dis- couraged again and totally leave 33:22 the church forever? I was discouraged 33:24 after I did join the church be- cause I worked in mental health. 33:27 I worked at an outpatient mental health facility 33:30 and I saw a lot of people struggling with various issues. 33:35 And I wanted to just pray with them 33:38 but at my job I wasn't allowed to. 33:40 I wasn't even allowed to talk about God. 33:42 Oh wow! So I struggled with that 33:44 and I would pray about it daily. 33:48 On my drive to work I'd be talkin' to God. 33:51 And I asked Him several times: "I don't know why I'm here. " 33:55 "I don't know why I'm at this job. I've been there 10 years... 33:58 Why am I here? " 34:00 And I asked Him to guide my life & whatever He wanted me to do 34:06 that I would do it. 34:08 So yeah, I didn't give up 34:12 and I just kept doing this job that I did not like. 34:16 And He opened up a door for me at the Mountain View Conference 34:20 and He showed me: "Hey! Work for Me. " 34:25 Oh! "But use your skills that you have from all those years 34:30 of working with people with mental illness 34:34 to reach people that need to be reached... 34:36 that are broken. " So now it's awesome to be able to 34:41 spread the Word of God and to spread the love that He has 34:45 for us. When you feel like you want to give up 34:49 just pray. Just even talk to Him 34:51 and just ask Him to take over your life... and He will. 34:55 Amen! I love that. Now you can talk about Jesus at your job. 34:59 Oh yes! And you can pray with people! 35:03 And she does... everybody that calls. 35:05 Amen! Yeah, that's great. 35:06 So tell us about your churches 35:09 and the outreach that you're involved in and the people 35:12 coming to know Jesus and some of that. 35:14 Well, praise the Lord! We started in Point Pleasant. 35:18 When we showed up it was really moldy. 35:21 There was so much work to be done. 35:22 Was the church open? No, it was closed. 35:26 It had been closed for about a year to two years. 35:29 I'm not really sure how long. 35:31 Somebody says: "We're going to give the Point Pleasant WV 35:34 Church. " And you go there, open the doors, 35:36 and there's mold because it had been closed. 35:40 It's a beautiful church. I have been there 35:42 when it was open in the past. Well, you can come back. 35:45 Yes sir. Anyway... So we get it cleaned up 35:49 by the grace of God, and here I am actin' like a little kid. 35:52 She's worried about cleaning it up. I'm like: 35:54 "We're a step ahead... we've got a building. " 35:56 You know what I mean? And it's outside of the city limits 36:00 so that makes it tough. 36:02 But I reached out to all the old members 36:04 which were only 32. 36:06 And we dropped it down to 28 'cause some deceased 36:09 or moved away. And now by the grace of God 36:13 we are over 150 members. Praise the Lord! 36:17 And we have anywhere from I don't know 10 to 30 people 36:20 who attend every Sabbath so it's a blessing. 36:22 And we started an outreach mission called Power at the 36:26 Point. In fact, we have a 1-800 number... 36:28 Well, it's a 1-888 number... So it's 1-888-70-POWER 36:34 And if you call that number 36:35 anybody in the world or even here in the United States 36:39 or locally at Point Pleasant if you need help, 36:42 if you need prayer, if there's somebody you need to talk to 36:45 you can call this number. Bible studies... anything 36:48 that you need help with or maybe you don't need anything. 36:51 Maybe you want to help somebody else. 36:53 Maybe you want to join Power at the Point then you can do that. 36:57 Maybe you want to donate or give to Power at the Point 37:00 because you feel that you can't go out and do some of those 37:04 things so you feel this is what God is calling you to do. 37:07 Now Power at the Point is not just a telephone number. 37:10 It is also an outreach mission where we have painting parties. 37:14 Where we have even - you know - sporting parties & youth events. 37:19 We're doing My Little Own Bags of Love 37:23 which is an SDA ministry. And they're selling all these 37:27 blankets. And we're doing Voice of Prophecy 37:32 Bridge events and evangelism with the Three Angels and the 37:35 Apocalypse from Pastor Mike Pethel. 37:38 And we're going to do your program - The True Steps 37:42 Celebration Recovery Program - Cheri Peters - 37:45 Yes! Cheri Peters and you get it from 3ABN books. 37:49 And we are so excited to start that series. 37:52 And they're actually going to let it be an official place 37:55 where people can come and visit. 37:58 And we're really excited about that. 37:59 And I plan to do it in Marietta 38:01 because in Marietta they have a Serenity House 38:04 around the corner and they have meetings at noon every day. 38:08 Praise the Lord! Question: 38:09 So the Point Pleasant church. The doors were closed. 38:14 It was moldy inside 'cause it hadn't been opened in a while. 38:16 And dirty. And dirty. 38:18 And it goes from basically no attendance 38:21 to 150. Like how many decades did that take 38:24 for that to happen? To go from 0 to 150 members? 38:27 Well, not 100... 50 members. Oh, 50... I'm sorry. 38:30 I missed that. That's OK. So it went from 0 to 50 members 38:33 in like how many years? 38:35 Well we didn't really officially open back up 38:38 until January 1, 2021. 38:41 I'm asking that question because this took place 38:43 in a matter of months. Yes. Oh yes! 38:46 What God can do! The power of prayer. Amen! 38:49 That's what we did: we went there and prayed. 38:51 That's my next question. 38:52 what do you attribute the success to? 38:54 Prayer - OK - evangelism, Christian service, 38:58 Bible study, and true worship. 39:00 And I'm not talking about reading your Bible. OK. 39:03 I'm talking about Bible study, reading it verse by verse. 39:06 And you can read Spirt of Prophecy too 39:08 but you have to read your Bibles, folks. 39:11 Amen? We have to read the Word of God. 39:14 And if we don't read the everlasting gospel 39:17 and if we don't want to go out and tell somebody about Jesus... 39:21 So in our congregations that's our thing: 39:23 If I say "Tell somebody" they say "about Jesus. " 39:26 And if they don't say it with conviction 39:28 we do it till they do. 39:29 You see, we have to be encouraged. 39:32 We were all chosen during these last days. Amen! 39:34 We were chosen to do something huge here 39:37 just like Pastor Matt said a few weeks ago. 39:39 We're going to be excited to ask Noah about all these things 39:43 and Moses, but they're going to be like: "You were there 39:45 during the last days. We want to know what God 39:48 has done with you. Tell us YOUR story. " 39:51 And that is powerful. Each of us has a testimony, 39:54 and we can share that story. 39:56 And if we don't share that story, 39:58 then you don't know whose life it didn't affect. 40:01 If you share that story, you can affect millions of lives. 40:05 And I can see clearly how Jesus will return 40:08 and how the message is going to get out because 40:10 I'm working in Uganda in two different areas 40:13 with thousands of people. 40:15 From West Virginia? From West Virginia! 40:17 So how many other people are doing this all over the world? 40:20 Right? That's technology using like Zoom or other... 40:23 So THIS is how it's going to happen. I see it now. 40:26 God is good. Amber, let's talk about outreach. 40:28 Outreach? 'Cause that's one aspect of what your husband 40:30 mention so far as the success happening there. 40:33 So tell us about the service or the outreach, 40:35 why that's so important for a church to be involved 40:37 and to do outreach. Well, not many people want to come 40:40 to church these days, right? Yep. Afraid of COVID. 40:43 Yes. Yeah, sure. That's not just it. 40:46 Well yeah, AND a lot of people... 40:49 a lot of people want to... they need someone. 40:54 They're home alone. Some people haven't even left their house 40:57 in two years. That's true! 40:59 So you think about that, but the whole outreach 41:03 thing is we're meeting people where they're at. 41:06 Um-hmm. We're not just staying in our church 41:09 singing songs and eating food. 41:11 We're reaching out. We're going to have a cookout; 41:15 we're going to have a bonfire. 41:16 We're doing events that draw people in. 41:20 That's good... not intimidating. 41:22 Yes... it's inviting. We want to be welcoming. 41:25 And we don't want to just start with Scripture. 41:29 We want to start with love, friendship. Um-hmm. 41:33 And we just want to meet them 41:35 and then build a relationship. 41:38 You know what's inspiring about that too 41:40 is I'm thinking about the church members that are attending. 41:42 Obviously, they're excited about it too. Yes. 41:43 You know, it draws in your community 41:45 but you know when you're active in your church 41:47 it's exciting. Oh yeah! 41:49 Total Member Involvement. 41:51 Exactly. And the more we become friends with them 41:54 the more they trust you and then they're willing to... 41:56 to come to that church. 41:58 Do you have some stories? 42:00 Some people who've come to the church 42:02 or some people whose lives have been impacted 42:05 through you all's ministry? 42:07 I could share a miracle with you. Do you want to share 42:10 it with them? Well, we have a lady named Jessica 42:14 and she has started attending the Point Pleasant church. 42:17 She has struggled with her own addictions. 42:20 And she was baptized last year into the church 42:25 but then she took a turn for the worse and she got COVID. 42:29 Oh oh. And she was in the hospital for many weeks. 42:31 She was put on a ventilator 42:33 but they told us she was going to pass 42:35 and I had to go down with the family. 42:38 Well... Then what happened? 42:40 She's... Well, a miracle happened 42:43 because she's alive. Guess what? 42:44 She's home to this day; she's off the ventilator. 42:47 She's walking around. They're talking about taking the 42:50 tracheotomy tube out. I'm not sure if you... 42:53 that's how you say it right but I'm really excited 42:56 about it because it's a miracle. 42:59 It is a miracle! It's a true miracle, and that's 43:01 a testimony that she has now to share with other people. 43:05 Um-hmm. You know, I can see your passion - 43:07 both of you - for evangelism. 43:09 You're so excited to share Jesus. 43:11 You know, that just comes out of you. 43:14 And that comes from your testimony, right? 43:16 What God has done in your life. Yes! 43:17 That's a living experience. Go ahead. 43:19 But sometimes we have unhealthy expectations 43:22 as leaders and pastors. We think we need 1,000 people 43:26 or we need 100 people. 43:28 Well what are 100 or 1,000 lukewarm people going to do? 43:31 Because I'm going to tell you what: 43:33 if we have 20 people who can be discipled on fire, 43:36 in five years we're going to have a church of 200 people. 43:39 And that church with the 1,000 lukewarm people 43:41 that's going to die down 43:43 or they're just going to be doing in-service. 43:45 So really our conference has given us 43:49 many things to equip us with for the evangelism. 43:53 And it's been such a blessing to work with Elder Bailey. 43:57 That's the conference president? 43:58 That's our... yeah, our new conference president. 44:00 And he has an initiative for us. 44:02 Yeah, let me tell you about it. 44:04 In fact, the very first thing is called 44:06 Tell Somebody About Jesus. 44:07 Is that what's on your pins? Yes! 44:09 I see your pins. In fact, since you brought those up, 44:11 I have some gifts for you here from the Mt. View Conference. 44:15 We can't get up so you'll just have to slide them 44:18 across the table. Thank you. So you give these to whoever 44:20 you want and you have to tell somebody about Jesus. 44:23 That's good! OK! And that's... so 44:26 let me tell you about our eight initiatives. All right. 44:28 Number one is prayer which is very important. Yes. 44:31 Number two is tell somebody about Jesus. 44:35 Number three is church planting. 44:37 Number four is regeneration and revival. Amen? 44:42 And then the next one is Adventist education. 44:46 Social media. 44:48 Stewardship 44:49 and youth and young adults. Amen? 44:52 That's great! 44:54 That's incredible! 44:55 Those eight steps... I LOVE that. 44:58 That is our initiative. Yes. 45:00 But we truly have been blessed. 45:01 I've had a partnership with Kurt Johnson 45:04 and Shawn Boonstra with Voice of Prophecy. 45:06 They've really blessed us 45:08 as well as with this group in Uganda working with the 45:12 Ugandan Union president. I mean, I have two churches over there. 45:15 We may have 500 to 1,000 baptisms before 45:19 this is all said and done. 45:20 And how did that start? I just want to go back to 45:21 Uganda a moment. How did you even get connected 45:23 with the Uganda Union Conference? 45:25 So I'm on this non- denominational Facebook group 45:27 and I'm one of very few Seventh-day Adventists on it. 45:31 And they wanted prophecy Zoom meetings. 45:35 And I was like: "Well, I'll do 'em with you! " 45:37 So we did one meeting 45:38 then we did a second meeting where their elders all like 45:41 asked me a bunch of questions and they said: 45:43 "He's rooted in the Biblical Word of God! " 45:45 So now I preach to them four days a week 45:49 except today I didn't 'cause we usually do Wednesday morning. 45:52 I do it every morning at 7:00 AM and on Sabbath 45:55 I do 6:30 AM. Then I go preach in Point Pleasant 45:58 and then I go preach in Marietta. 46:00 Wow! Busy schedule! 46:02 Well hey... we've gotta do things for the Lord. 46:04 So where do you see God leading you both next? 46:07 Whew! I don't know. 46:10 You know, it's His will, and I pray that He will continue 46:15 to grow both of these churches. 46:17 I don't know where's next but I know it's up. 46:20 I know that we're going to be in heaven soon 46:22 and I know that Jesus is coming soon. 46:24 But I do know that God is going to work in Amber's life 46:27 and my life in a mighty powerful way. 46:30 And we have to continue to surrender to God. 46:33 We've gotta get up early; we have to be in His Word. 46:36 And just with the Marietta church. He's gonna grow that 46:39 church. That church went from having 3 people attending 46:42 and now our average in 2 months has been 20 people attending. 46:46 So I just want you to know He's going to grow that 46:49 church through evangelism and outreach. 46:51 And I just see God blessing both of those churches 46:54 as well as the Mountain View Conference. 46:56 We had a 3.6% increase in baptisms. 46:59 We had over 100 baptisms. 47:01 I believe that's the high for the last 10 or 15 years. 47:04 So I see God blessing us 47:07 but I don't know where He's going to lead us next. 47:09 But I DO know wherever He does lead us 47:11 He will be in control. 47:13 Amen! That's a walk of faith. 47:15 Go ahead Amber. And the Tell Somebody About Jesus 47:17 thing: I think it's going to go worldwide. 47:20 Even in Uganda we have... they sing a song now 47:23 about Tell Somebody About Jesus. 47:25 I heard him one morning... Wow! 47:28 It's so humbling, and I just feel that 47:31 wherever God calls us we will continue to tell God... 47:35 or tell somebody about Jesus. 47:38 Amen! Why do you love sharing Jesus? 47:41 Why? Yeah, why? 47:43 Because I feel like I'm saved by Jesus. 47:46 And for all those years... like the love that He showed me 47:51 in my dream - yeah - I realized that 47:55 He has a love for everyone. 47:57 And I was so broken and my heart was broken. 48:02 I was struggling daily 48:04 and I just know many people do. 48:07 And I think it's my job here on this earth 48:10 to tell people about the struggles I went through 48:14 and to be there for them and to spread the gospel. 48:19 Amen. It gives you purpose. It gives me purpose. 48:21 Satisfying, isn't it? Yes! Amen! 48:25 So Pastor D.W. 48:27 why do you love sharing Jesus? 48:29 Oh, man! Because my life was a mess! 48:32 You know, and it's still a mess 48:35 but you know with Jesus it's not a mess. 48:38 We are covered in His righteousness. 48:40 So I want to share Jesus Christ with others 48:43 because they think it's so hard. 48:45 But it's really not. That's good. 48:47 We really have a decision. 48:50 We can self-worship and follow the Deceiver 48:53 or we can clearly surrender those problems 48:56 and get over our pride, right? Yeah. 48:59 and give that to Jesus Christ. 49:01 And again, I sound like a broken record. 49:04 But the fact of the matter is 49:06 is if we don't have a per- sonal relationship with Jesus, 49:10 if we don't have connection to the Holy Spirit, 49:12 if you don't have electric here then these lights aren't 49:16 going to work without a generator. 49:17 So if we aren't connected to the source, 49:20 then we have to be connected to that source. 49:23 We have to have friendships, that "brother ship" 49:26 that loving relationship with our Father. 49:29 And we have to have that relationship with Jesus. 49:32 And we cannot do ANYTHING by flesh. 49:35 We can only do it with the Holy Spirit. Amen! 49:37 We're going to go in just a moment to an address 49:40 where you can contact their incredible ministry 49:43 for yourself: Power at the Point, 49:45 and get all their helpful information. 49:49 That's right. I've been so blessed today. 49:50 I'm just thinking about II Corinthians 5:17. 49:53 "If anyone is in Christ, he or she is a new creation. 49:56 Old things have passed away; 49:57 behold all things have become new. " 50:00 And that's what God has done in the lives of both 50:03 Pastor D.W. and Amber. 50:05 Transformed them out of darkness 50:07 into the kingdom of God - Amen - into light. 50:10 And that's what God wants to do in your heart and life. 50:13 He wants to change you by the power of His Holy Spirit. 50:17 So remind us one more time 50:19 what people can find at Power at the Point 50:22 and then we'll go to the address. But remind us 50:24 one more time. People who are seeking; people who want Bible 50:27 studies; people who want answers. 50:29 Or just even help like if it's not even... 50:32 because we've gotta meet people where they're at. 50:34 They don't want to walk into a church, 50:36 so it's much easier for me to have somebody come to 50:40 a Bridge event at a mission outlet. 50:43 It's a neutral location 50:44 and it's much cheaper than renting out ballrooms. 50:47 Absolutely... absolutely. So we have all these different 50:50 programs. We're going to do Adventurers. 50:52 Anything we can do to help people 50:54 and anything that we see a need for. 50:56 One big thing that helped in Point Pleasant 50:58 was transportation ministry. 51:00 I think that's going to be helpful in Marietta 51:02 as we get more young people together as well. 51:05 Amen. So if you've been blessed and inspired, 51:08 if you're seeing for answers, 51:10 if you're lost in addiction, 51:12 if you say "I want to find a way out, " 51:14 contact this ministry. I want to encourage you 51:17 to reach out to them, and they will pray with and for you 51:21 and offer that support. If you would like to financially 51:24 support the work of what God is doing in and through 51:27 the West family here, here is how you can do just that: |
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