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00:04 ♪ I want to spend my life mending broken people ♪ 00:14 ♪ I want to spend my life removing pain ♪ 00:25 ♪ Lord let my words heal a heart that hurts ♪ 00:35 ♪ I want to spend my life mending broken people ♪ 00:55 ♪ ♪ 01:06 Hello friends welcome to another edition of 3ABN Today. My name 01:10 is Ryan Day. I'm your host and it's a blessing always for you 01:14 our 3ABN family around the world joining us each and every day 01:18 as we take on a new Today program. We have all kinds of 01:21 different Today programs that we air and I like to remind our 01:24 viewers of that because there maybe someone watching for the 01:26 very first time that says, you know what is this 3ABN Today? 01:30 Well this 3ABN, the Three Angels Broadcasting Network, this is 01:34 our flagship program, our main program. We have multiple 01:37 programs and multiple other types of programming that we air 01:41 on the 3ABN network but this is the flagship program and we have 01:45 different types of 3ABN Today programs. Sometimes we might do 01:48 a cooking program, sometimes it might be a 3ABN Today music 01:51 program, it might be a 3ABN Today Bible Q and A program. 01:55 you've seen those. They're fresh every Monday 01:58 and so there's different types of programs. Sometimes it might 02:00 take on a Bible topic and just do an entire one-hour Bible 02:04 study on a subject. And of course a lot of our programming 02:07 we bring in different ministries from around the world and we 02:11 highlight that ministry and show how God is blessing others and 02:15 how you also can participate in that blessing. Well today we 02:20 have one of those. We have Go There4 Ministry in the house 02:23 with us. 02:25 It's such a blessing to have Mr. Tanner Maasdorp and Kani 02:29 Washington with us. How you guys doing? 02:32 We're great. Thank you for having us here we're excited 02:34 to be here. 02:35 Amen, amen. These guys are on fire. They're all about 02:38 evangelism and you're not going to want to miss this program so 02:40 don't change the channel, don't just watch just two or three 02:42 minutes of this YouTube video. Stick it out to the end. I 02:46 think you're going to be blessed indeed. So we're going get to 02:48 these guys. We're going to get to know more about Go There4 02:51 Ministries. But before we go any further I would like to just go 02:54 straight to a musical number that's going to bless us 02:57 tremendously. We have our sister Hope Velasquez with us and she's 03:01 going to be singing the beautiful song 03:03 Wonderful, Merciful Savior. 03:05 ♪ ♪ 03:26 ♪ Wonderful, merciful Savior Precious Redeemer and Friend ♪ 03:34 ♪ Who would have thought that a Lamb could ♪ 03:42 ♪ Rescue the souls of men O you rescue the souls of men ♪ 04:00 ♪ Counselor, Comforter, Keeper Spirit we long to embrace ♪ 04:14 ♪ You are the hope when our hearts have hopelessly ♪ 04:22 ♪ lost our way, O we've hopelessly lost our way ♪ 04:35 ♪ You are the One that we praise You are the one we adore ♪ 04:48 ♪ You give us healing and grace Our hearts always hunger for ♪ 05:01 ♪ O our hearts always hunger for ♪ 05:13 ♪ Almighty, Infinite Father Faithfully loving your own ♪ 05:28 ♪ Here on our knees You find us bowing before Your throne ♪ 05:40 ♪ O we're bowing before your throne ♪ 05:49 ♪ You are the One that we praise You are the one we adore♪ 06:02 ♪ You give the healing and grace Our hearts always hunger for ♪ 06:19 ♪ O our hearts always hunger for ♪ 06:41 Amen, amen. Thank you so much Hope. Amen. That sister blesses 06:46 me every time I hear her music. Thank you so much for sharing 06:48 that. And you know what I've got to apologize to Hope because I 06:52 just butcher her name on national television. Actually 06:56 it's not Velasquez. It's Vasquez Hope Vasquez and I made a 07:00 mistake because I had written it down wrong. So I just wanted to 07:03 clarify that. Thank you so much Hope Vasquez for bringing us 07:06 that beautiful, beautiful song. Gentlemen, Welcome. 07:12 We have Tanner Maasdorp and we have Kani Washington. Nice 07:20 names, great ministry. You're on fire for the Lord, young guys 07:25 and let's go ahead. I'm going to start with you, Tanner. Let's 07:27 just tell a little bit about yourself. Let us know who is 07:30 Tanner, where you're from, a little bit about your background 07:33 all that good stuff. 07:35 Sounds good. I'm Tanner Maasdorp I'm excited to be here. Thankful 07:39 for this opportunity to share how God has worked in my life. 07:41 I was born and raised in the Tampa Bay area to two 07:45 amazing Christian 07:47 parents. So I've been in the church my whole life. You know 07:51 I don't have that testimony of I wandered away from the church 07:54 and had this crazy experience but I have a testimony of two 07:58 amazing parents who tried to keep me on track. So I've always 08:01 love God, grew up in the church but you know most people in high 08:06 school probably would say I got distracted. For me my 08:09 distractions were things like sports. Just wanted to be the 08:12 best basketball player I could possibly be. That was my 08:14 distraction. And that was what took up my time. I loved God but 08:18 didn't take time in personal study, didn't take time to 08:22 actually, walk with Him and somewhere along the way in high 08:25 school I just really had that encounter where I really, really 08:28 fell in love with my Savior who I thought I'd been walking with 08:31 all the time but truly, truly fell in love with Him. So that's 08:36 kind of where things started happening in my life. 08:38 Amen, amen. I can so relate to that testimony. While it's not 08:42 the same, you and I share a love for basketball I love basketball 08:45 played it growing up. It was my life at one point. And I also 08:50 didn't have this incredible story where I left, became a 08:54 prodigal and gave up on God and all that. While I thought I knew 08:58 Christ, I really didn't. So I can totally relate to that 09:00 kind of testimony. Well it's a blessing to have you here 09:02 brother. It's you guys' first time here at 3ABN? And hopefully 09:06 it's not the last time. So lets' go to Kani, Kani 09:08 tell us a little bit about your background, where you're from, 09:10 your upbringing, a little bit about your story. 09:12 Okay so I was born in Connecticut, the state of 09:15 Connecticut. I moved down to Florida when I was about like 09:18 nine months to a year old so I've lived in Florida my whole 09:21 life. I wasn't born into the church but I came into the 09:24 church at a very young age and I thank God every single day for 09:28 that because you know being younger I was a lot more 09:31 receptive to like understanding who God is. And um yeah that 09:35 just happened because me and my friend named Geo, we would just 09:40 go outside and play, you know do what little kids do, you know 09:43 just play in the playground and stuff. And we just kind of had 09:45 like conversations. You know we were like young, about like 09:48 seven, eight years old. So he was telling me that he goes to 09:51 church but it was on Saturday. And I remember me being a little 09:55 kid I was very inquisitive. I was like Saturday? Wait, what do 09:58 you mean Saturday? I thought that the seventh day of the week 10:01 was Sunday but yet he told me that it was Saturday and that 10:05 still sticks to me to this day. But he invited me to church and 10:08 you know me being a little kid and very inquisitive I went and 10:11 then it was history from there. I started going more frequently 10:13 and I eventually brought my mom with me. And you know his family 10:17 really did take me under their wing and I remember we were just 10:20 sitting in his house and he would be giving us like Bible 10:23 studies and stuff like that. And I praise God for that every 10:26 single day. But um yeah it's been history from there. Me and 10:29 my mom got baptized on the same day. You know I echo what Tanner 10:33 said, You know I...my relationship with God didn't 10:38 really start taking off till a couple years ago. I thought I 10:40 was walking with God you know like for years and years and 10:42 years, but I didn't really start to fall in love with my Savior 10:46 until you know like recently whenever I really started to 10:49 take my walk with God seriously But that's just a little bit 10:52 Absolutely Amen, praise the Lord You guys are young. I normally 10:56 don't ask you this but I feel like it won't be offensive to 10:58 ask your age. How old are you? 11:00 I'm 23. (23). 11:01 I'm 19. 11:03 Nineteen, wow man! Praise the Lord. You know I remember I 11:06 started preaching, my very first sermon was at 17 years old. I 11:09 can kind of relate to you guys. The youth and the fireman. And 11:14 like we need more young people on fire for the Lord. And so to 11:16 see you guys here today talking about your ministry and talking 11:20 about what God is doing through you guys and through your 11:22 ministry to bless others. It's a blessing to have some young 11:26 blood that's on fire for Jesus. So praise the Lord for that. 11:29 Well, let's talk about GoThere4. I love this. So first of all let 11:33 me back up here. I'm going to go to the Bible. Let's just kick it 11:36 off right now because your ministry, the name of your 11:38 ministry GoThere4 comes from the great commission given to us 11:41 by Jesus Christ there in Matthew Chapter 28 and I want to read 11:44 that text here, Matthew chapter 28 and I'm going to begin in 11:47 verse 18. Jesus says: All authority has been given to me 11:50 in heaven and on earth, verse 19 first words, Go, therefore, where 11:55 you get your name from, your ministry name, Go, therefore, and 11:57 make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of 12:00 the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit teaching them 12:03 to observe all things that I have commanded you and lo I am 12:06 with you always even to the end of the age. Amen. That's the 12:10 great commission and we are commanded, we are commissioned 12:12 as soldiers for the Lord's army to go out and work for him to 12:18 share the gospel and to bring others who might be lost and who 12:20 might be struggling, might be suffering to a Savior who loves 12:24 them and so tell us about GoThere4 Ministries. How did 12:28 this all come about because this is a relatively new ministry. 12:31 Tell us how you guys were inspired or the inspiration 12:36 behind the creation of GoThere4 Ministries. 12:38 Yeah absolutely. Um so basically what we do is what Matthew 28 12:45 says, Go therefore and make disciples. The goal is to not 12:47 merely go therefore and make disciples but to go therefore 12:50 and make disciples who then in turn go therefore and make more 12:53 disciples. So I guess the creation of this started kind of 12:58 back to where I was talking about that moment where I fell 13:00 in love with Jesus. Like I truly fell in love. I actually started 13:04 that relationship with Jesus which was in high school and I 13:07 just felt this you know burning desire in my heart to you know 13:10 go into ministry. I didn't know exactly what that all entailed 13:13 but I mean anybody who's had that encounter and felt that 13:18 calling you have this burning desire that just won't go away 13:20 until you actually do what God's called you to do. And so I just 13:25 kept praying about it, kept walking with God and I just felt 13:27 that there was this calling to start this ministry. And so what 13:31 I attempted to do around probably 17, 18 years old was 13:34 to start a ministry kind of like what we're doing now and I 13:40 brought a few friends alongside with me to do as well and 13:44 Cassandra, she's still part of our ministry. I definitely want 13:47 to shout her out while we're here (Shout out to Cassandra) 13:52 yes absolutely and then my other friend Sebastian we wanted to 13:54 start a ministry but you know we're young people. We didn't 13:56 know what was going on, so there was a lot of talk, almost 13:59 dreaming of what could be rather than actually putting it into 14:02 action. And so finally one year I think in 2019 I was at an ASI 14:10 convention and I just was seeing all of these ministries doing 14:12 what they were doing and I was like, Lord, you've called me to 14:16 do this. These people can do it, why can't I? So I finally a few 14:20 months after that went to my parents who also had this 14:23 feeling, a burning desire to start a ministry for a long time 14:26 and he's never done it. He said this is what I want to do and I 14:29 need your help. So thankfully I had knowledgeable parents and 14:32 they helped us start a nonprofit and in March of 2020, we started, 14:38 established, GoThere4 Ministries nonprofit. 14:40 Amen, that's amazing. And so we were talking behind the scenes 14:45 about the kind of a little joke about how you know during COVID 14:49 during the time when everyone's supposed to be quiet and they're 14:52 telling you remain at home and remain still and remain grounded 14:55 and not go out...You guys are starting a ministry entitled Go 14:59 There4, right. A little bit of irony in that but it's an 15:02 awesome mission, man. So Go There4 Ministries was 15:05 established for the sole purpose of making disciples for Christ. 15:08 Fulfilling the commission by Jesus Christ. And I love, I love 15:11 what you said there you kept repeating over and over, I just 15:14 had this on my heart, I had this on my heart. You know Lord if 15:17 they can do it why can't I do it And I love that because you know 15:20 there's a natural response that when the Holy Spirit lights your 15:24 world up okay, and this has happened to me as well. It 15:27 happens to everyone. If you fall in love with Jesus and you 15:30 really truly understand who Christ is and what he's done for 15:32 you. You cannot be quiet about it. You can't contain the 15:38 excitement and the energy within you to want to go forward and do 15:42 something about what Christ has done for you. In other words to 15:45 respond to that commission and actually, follow through with it. 15:48 And so that's exactly what you are Lord I don't want to remain 15:51 idle, I'm not going to warm a bench, I'm not going to sit on 15:55 the sidelines and cheer you on from the sidelines. I want to be 15:57 involved. I want to be a disciple and I want to go 16:00 forward and make disciples. So that's what this is all about. 16:02 Now Kani tell us how you got involved and came into the 16:06 picture because it sounds like this ministry was kind of 16:09 already put together or established and then you came 16:13 along later. Tell us how you got involved with Go There4. 16:16 It's a long awesome story so. Me and Tanner, we're the best of 16:22 friends. We're buddies. We do ministry together but we didn't 16:25 always have this relationship. So it's funny. Whenever I used 16:29 to go to my old church, I would always see him and his parents 16:32 you know coming to the church and I would say you know hi to 16:35 them. I would say hi there Tanner but we didn't really have 16:38 a relationship. But I remember that there was this basketball 16:42 league that like the church has or whatever. I forget what it's 16:46 called but Tanner actually was the coach of that league and so 16:50 he a bunch of us from the church and from another church and to 16:56 be part of a team. So we all were part of a team and Tanner 16:59 was the coach and so that's the relationship me and him had. 17:01 He was my 17:03 basketball coach and I was you know the student so to speak. 17:05 And you know this was like probably in 2019, I would say, 17:09 2018, 2019 and so that's the relationship we had and then I 17:14 remember on day Tanner called me, he called me and said that 17:18 he was starting up this ministry and they were going to start up 17:23 and have worship services on Friday, like Friday nights, and 17:26 he asked me if I wanted to be involved, if I wanted to come. 17:29 And I told him that "I'll think about it and get back to him" 17:32 Funny story, I never got back to him but... 17:36 He had intentions, good intentions, Yeah I got you. 17:40 I guess I forgot about it. But then you know like the Holy 17:43 Spirit just put in my mind just to call him back. And I called 17:47 him back, you know I guess I'll just try it out. I'll just come. 17:52 And it's been history from there but it's just an amazing 17:57 testimony this force really communicates the fact that 17:59 God will literally 18:01 use whatever's possible to like accomplish His mission and 18:09 Tanner says all the time you know he was praying for somebody 18:11 he was praying for someone a right-hand man, that's how you 18:16 say that, a right-hand man. And he tells me all the time you 18:19 know I was the answer to that prayer. So I mean God is good 18:21 and God has blessed us and He's brought us together. He used 18:25 basketball to sort of have, so that we have that trust. And 18:29 then it just grew from there so that's just kind of like how I 18:32 got involved. 18:34 Amen, amen. So a series of Bible studies ended in you getting 18:37 involved and becoming more in love with Jesus Christ and then 18:42 now you guys...do you travel? As you get invitations you 18:45 travel in the ministry as people invite you guys to come out and 18:49 you go and do discipleship training or...Talk about 18:52 specifically what does Go There4 do? If someone reaches out to 18:56 your ministry and says we want to invite you to come out what 19:00 specifically, do you guys do, what has God laid on your heart 19:04 to accomplish through this ministry? 19:06 Um yeah so essentially right now there are two parts of our 19:11 ministry I would say. We've just been starting getting to media 19:14 ministry and social media ministry and God has blessed 19:17 there, but the meat and potatoes of what we do is...You know my 19:23 Dad came into the church as a result of like the Net 97, Net 19:28 98 series so he has that passion for you know (public evangelism) 19:32 yeah, public evangelism. Good old fashioned tent campaigns and 19:34 stuff like that. And so up to this point over the past two 19:38 years we've had the privilege of going to churches and doing 19:39 evangelistic campaigns and things of that nature and you 19:45 know God blessed for sure but there's just always this part in 19:47 our hearts you know we can do a little bit more. There's 19:48 something more we can do because up to that point, we had been 19:53 going to the church and pretty much doing all of the things 19:56 rather than getting the church members involved. 19:58 Got you, yep. That seems to be kind of a classic experience 20:02 again not to be judgmental or critical but sometimes that's 20:05 kind of the idea. The churches they've got this money, they 20:09 want to do evangelism, they feel the need to do evangelism 20:11 and they'll invite the evangelist to come and 20:15 it seems like the evangelist ends up doing all the work that 20:17 the church should be involved in right? And so you guys caught 20:22 onto that and now you want to do something about it. Am I right? 20:25 Yeah really. So now what we've been doing is obviously when 20:29 when we're invited to speak, God's called us there, we'll 20:31 still do that but what we really really want to, where our 20:34 heart's really at, we do these things called partnerships now 20:37 and what we've been doing, we have two of them starting this 20:40 summer, is we want to get into the trenches, get into the nitty 20:43 gritty with the local church members. So rather than just 20:46 coming and doing evangelistic and leaving, we want to be 20:49 involved with things such as the prework, getting out in the 20:52 community and reaching out, training the church members how 20:55 to disciple people in everyday life. Even, sometimes even help 21:00 with the postwork. So like one church where we're going to 21:04 start partnering with soon we're partnering with them for 21:07 a whole year and we're going to be almost a whole year of just 21:10 going there on a monthly basis. They're a local church so we can 21:14 do this but on a monthly basis and going out in the community 21:18 doing service projects, teaching the members how to you know be 21:23 evangelistic-minded and mission minded in their everyday lives 21:27 and so we get to rather than just show up and do the 21:31 evangelistic series, we get to be in these people's lives, get 21:32 to know them. And hopefully by the end of this year have a 21:36 reaping event and reap the seed we've sowed. 21:38 I love that, I love that. So and I'm going to get to it in just a 21:41 moment I'm going to ask you about your philosophy of 21:43 evangelism or your philosophy of discipleship, but I want to 21:47 just touch on what 21:48 you just said because it's one thing to go in and you are on 21:52 fire, right, you're excited You personally want to be a 21:55 part of something but then you look around and you see others 21:59 you know they want to see the work done but seems like 22:02 sometimes oh it's a little more difficult to get them involved 22:05 and it ends up being one or two or three people in a church 22:09 doing all the work while everybody else just kind of sits 22:11 on the sidelines. But yet the idea of the great commission is 22:15 that everyone is involved. Total member involvement. And so the 22:19 idea would be to establish an evangelists training or an 22:24 evangelistic plan a discipleship plan to get everyone involved in 22:28 so that everyone can find their place or their part in the 22:32 evangelism work and in the evangelistic cycle so that 22:35 everyone is doing their part to reach someone which brings me to 22:39 my question and I want to ask you guys this just from a young 22:41 person's perspective. Because when you talk about discipleship 22:45 and when Jesus says go therefore and make disciples, so what does 22:51 that mean to you guys if somebody comes to you and says 22:54 okay we want you to come do discipleship training. We want 22:57 you to help us to understand what it means to be a true 23:00 disciple for Christ. How do you do that? What does that look 23:03 like. What is your philosophy or mentality or understanding of 23:08 what it means to make disciples for Christ? 23:11 So in 2022, we went to a conference. It was an evangelism 23:17 conference in Tennessee and one of the things that we learned, 23:23 it was me, Tanner, and our other friend who worked with us, 23:25 Rodney, one of the things that we learned about evangelism and 23:27 what evangelism is relationships. Building 23:31 relationships and with those relationships you can point to 23:33 the one true relationship that you need to have which is a 23:36 relationship with Christ. And so discipleship, I believe 23:39 discipleship is building that relationship but while 23:44 simultaneously pointing to hey you need to have a relationship 23:46 with Christ, with God. He longs to have a relationship with you. 23:50 And so that's why I believe it is our philosophy so to speak of 23:54 evangelism of discipleship is relationships, building 23:57 relationships, getting to know 23:59 each other and doing Bible studies together and learning 24:02 about Christ together and so that's what I would say. 24:05 I love that. I love that answer. And it really, really is that 24:09 and I find that that goes along with what we find in Ministry of 24:13 Healing, p. 143 where Mrs. White writes about Christ's method 24:17 alone brings true success in our evangelistic efforts. Only the 24:23 way Christ did evangelism can bring true success and some 24:26 people don't grasp that. The idea that we've had so far up 24:31 to this point in many cases for some people is that you know 24:34 what I've got the Bible and I know the message and I'm just 24:36 going to go out and give Bible studies. Well that's great and 24:39 it's needed and that's an important work. You know if you 24:41 can find someone who's interested in doing Bible 24:44 studies absolutely we need to be sharing the word. Absolutely 24:46 we need to be spending that time leading and guiding them through 24:50 a systematic study of God's word so that they can understand who 24:53 God is, His plan for their life and all of these incredible 24:57 truths, exposing the darkness and the darkest plans of the 25:01 devil while also bringing about the light of Jesus through Bible 25:04 study. But that is just one aspect of the evangelism cycle, 25:07 right. That is just the seed sowing aspect. Before you can 25:10 get to that point you have to become friends with them. You 25:13 have to be able to disciple them and a part of that discipleship 25:16 aspect is not just going in with a Bible and saying are you ready 25:20 to study? Are you going to listen to me while I teach you 25:21 all about the Bible. That's not always where you begin. You have 25:24 to build that relationship, you have to build the confidence in 25:28 you and sometimes that means going out of your way to go do 25:31 something fun with someone. It means sometimes going and 25:35 spending time with them. Hey you know what guys? You want to go 25:38 shoot some hoops, let's go shoot some hoops. You like basketball, 25:40 you like basketball. We're having a basketball game this 25:43 Saturday or Sunday or this Friday. Whatever it is you know 25:46 we're just going to get together and shoot some hoops and just 25:49 have some fun. That discipleship friendship relationship factor 25:54 must happen before you can build their trust and their 25:58 confidence to believe you or to listen you to give them a Bible 26:02 study. And so I love what you guys are doing here. That's 26:04 great. And so 26:05 these partnerships, so you get partnership...Tell us about 26:08 these partnerships, how do they happen, how does someone 26:10 partner with you and what does that entail, what does that 26:12 involve for someone to create or have a partnership with Go 26:16 There4 Ministry? 26:18 Yeah, for sure. So we tailor each partnership according to 26:22 the needs of that specific church. I would say so far when 26:25 we put these partnerships together, each partnership will 26:29 at least have three things. It would have a revival to start it 26:33 out because you know like I said I have a testimony of someone 26:38 who grew up in the church. A lot of time people have been in the 26:39 church for years or grew up in the church. Sadly the gospel can 26:43 get stale. And you know honestly the gospel is not something 26:48 we're wanting to get stale. So that's the first step I think as 26:51 we go into a church would with mainly people...they can invite 26:54 their friends and stuff but it's mainly for the purpose of 26:56 getting the church on fire again Hopefully helping them to revive 26:59 that walk with God and fall in love with Jesus all over again. 27:02 So that's the first step. The second step of our partnerships 27:07 are basically the whole in between the revival and the 27:11 revival and the reaping event where we come in. We will do 27:15 evangelism training. Not necessarily training. We always 27:18 word it that way but you know we're still young. We're not 27:21 experts. What we want to do more than anything is facilitate a 27:23 discussion, actually get people thinking, actually get their 27:27 mind going about how they can be more effective in evangelism and 27:33 the discipleship process. So if it's a local church we can come 27:35 more often throughout that time. If the church is not so local it 27:39 would be more of a go in there in person once or twice, 27:41 maybe three times 27:43 and then just walking with them from a distance. At the end, by 27:48 God's grace, a reaping event. I think I said reaping seeds that 27:52 we've sown but in reality reaping the seeds that have been 27:55 sown by every local church member getting every single 27:58 person involved and getting them out there journeying with people 28:01 I love that, I love that. It's very similar, there's a reason 28:04 why Jesus used the like horticulture, you know, planting 28:10 the nature metaphors so often in His parables in His teachings 28:16 He likened the kingdom...I think there's like three or four 28:20 nature-type parables that He tells that He likens the kingdom 28:22 of God unto you know a sower sowing some seed, you know a 28:26 vine dresser who goes away and comes back. That aspect is there 28:30 and I find that evangelism is very much like that. It's like 28:33 planting, let's say for instance a tomato plant. No one in their 28:38 entire life has ever went out to the ground and held some tomato 28:45 seeds in their hand and just throw them out there and walk 28:47 away. I mean I'm not saying that there has never been a tomato 28:49 plant that accidentally came about because of something like 28:53 that but that's not how you garden. When you get ready to 28:56 garden you're serious about growing healthy vibrant plants 28:59 that's going to produce a crop that you're going to harvest you 29:02 don't just go out there to some random plot of ground. You don't 29:05 go out there to the gravel or to especially not to a, obviously 29:10 to a pavement of some kind and just throw some seeds out there 29:13 and then walk away, Okay Lord. I mean that's not how it works. 29:16 There's a process of building up before you can reap you know to 29:23 have that great harvest and reap And so there's an intricate 29:26 process and that's what you guys are helping churches to do in 29:30 that prework preparatory process of getting to the point to where 29:34 that reaping event is worth all of the stuff that you've 29:38 been working hard to build up to that point. And so give me an 29:41 example, just...you don't have to go through everything because 29:43 I know it's an intricate process but give me an example of what 29:46 are some of the prework items that you would help a church. 29:49 Like if they come to you and say we don't have a clue about 29:52 what we're doing, we don't know what in the world we're doing? 29:54 We want to prepare for an evangelistic campaign seven 29:58 months, eight months, nine months or a year from now, how 30:01 can we best prepare for that? So what are some of the things that 30:04 you would lead and guide a church through in that prework 30:06 process? 30:08 Um yes. So um one of the things we are planning with the 30:12 partnership that's going to be a year-long, ones that we can 30:14 actually, get in the trenches with is we're going to be having 30:17 these discussions, we're going to have something like a 30:20 discussion of those training sessions once a month. One of 30:23 the cool things that I like that we're doing with that church in 30:26 particular we're actually going to go and knock on the doors in 30:29 the community. We're not going to go and say hey here's a 30:32 literature tract. We're not doing any of that. We're going 30:34 go and knock on the door and just say we're here with blah 30:37 blah, blah church, whatever church it may be. Is there any 30:42 way we can bless you today. Try to help the people. We've heard 30:45 a lot of testimonies of churches that have done these in the past 30:48 and people getting marriage counseling from the pastor just 30:55 because they helped them fix their care and stuff of that 30:57 nature. That's an easy way to build relationship. Don't come 31:00 with another agenda so to speak. Of course, we want everybody to 31:04 fall in love with Jesus but you want to come with the approach 31:07 of hey we're here to help you out. We just want to bless you. 31:10 We want to be in your life. And then from there, as you said, 31:14 build that relationship, build that friendship and journey with 31:16 people as they journey to Jesus. 31:18 That's amazing. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. And so again 31:22 building those relationships and that takes time, that takes 31:26 effort takes you and I doing our part to maybe step up out of 31:30 our comfort zone, outside of our little bubble and do something 31:33 with someone, create a relationship and be active in a 31:37 person's life in order to build up that confidence and that 31:41 trust for you to be able to deliver the message to them. 31:43 So I love that. All right. So let's talk about, you know, you 31:48 guys actually...you conduct evangelistic campaigns? 31:50 I'll let him talk a little bit about the evangelistic campaigns 31:55 we do but one of the things that I think is kind of interesting 31:59 we're kind of going into as well We do conduct evangelistic 32:02 campaigns but if there's a church that like say hey we 32:06 already have this evangelist coming but we want help with the 32:08 prework that's something we do as well. We'll come and just 32:11 get with the church, help with the prework. You know we do have 32:14 this message on our hearts and we love preaching the gospel and 32:17 doing evangelistic campaigns but at the same time, you know 32:20 whatever we can do to help that's what we want. We want to 32:22 get all hands on deck and so whether it's us doing 32:26 evangelistic campaigns which we love to do or if it's us just 32:29 coming and getting in the trenches and trying to help the 32:32 church become more mission minded we do that. 32:34 They invite you to come preach campaign, what does that consist 32:39 of, what does your campaign look like? How long is it? Is there a 32:43 special time? Is there a happy length of, a perfect length of 32:49 meetings, topic series that you preach? What does yours look 32:53 like, brother? 32:54 Yeah, so I'll just tell you one of the ones that we have done 32:57 in the past and that we are going to do very soon is a 33:00 series called God Equals Love with a question mark at the end. 33:02 And basically what it's about is I mean, it's about the fact that 33:07 you know he who does not love does not know God, for God is 33:11 love. That's what the Bible says and I believe that we believe 33:13 that but many people have questions about that. Okay if 33:16 God is love then why did this happen, why did that happen, why 33:19 like why is there so much pain? Why is there so much evil in the 33:23 world? And that's what the series is about. We're trying 33:27 to...we're not trying to explain away people's suffering but 33:29 we're trying to say that hey despite all of this, despite 33:34 though we're going through this situation, despite this, despite 33:37 that this may have happened, God did not cause it because God is 33:40 not the author of confusion because with Christ there is 33:45 unity, but there is an enemy, there is an enemy who has 33:49 thwarted God's original plan that He had for humanity and so 33:53 we are trying to look at biblical examples hey despite 33:56 all of this God is still love and God is still good. So that's 34:00 one of the series that we've done and we actually have many 34:02 more. Another series that we have which is a prophecy series 34:06 is called Eden to Eden and basically the philosophy behind 34:10 that is that the Bible begins in Eden, Genesis chapter one and 34:13 two and Revelation chapter 21 and 22 the Bible ends in Eden 34:17 and everything in between is God trying to restore that face to 34:21 face relationship. And so we begin in the Garden of Eden and 34:25 then we end in the Garden of Eden. So yeah that's just one 34:28 of the prophecy series that we talk about you know prophecy 34:30 and you know just how God has worked throughout history but 34:34 that's just two of the prophecies and then we have 34:37 another revival series called The Good Shepherd and that 34:41 one...let me tell you the way that series came about was I got 34:47 it one day. I read my Bible. This was when I was probably 34:50 like 17. So I got up. I read my Bible. I read this passage of 34:53 scripture that said, Jesus said I am the good shepherd. The good 34:56 Shepherd gives his life for the sheep. And so I was so inspired 34:59 by that I wrote a sermon about it and I preached it and 35:01 Tanner heard it and he made a follow-up sermon to that and then 35:04 that just birthed into a four day revival series. So that's 35:08 just some of the series that we've done in the past and we're 35:11 We actually have a video of you guys, the God Equals Love with a 35:18 question mark. We have a little promotional video that 35:19 kind of gives an idea of setting up for you coming and doing that 35:23 series. So let's look at that video right now. 35:27 Was it really supposed to be this way? Why would an all 35:31 powerful designer treat a world like this? There is so much pain 35:35 and suffering, natural disasters acts of evil and injustice. How 35:41 can there possibly be an all powerful and all-loving Creator? 35:44 Pain and suffering are words that we are all familiar with. 35:52 How can God possibly be love when there is so much turmoil 35:57 in the world. If God is all powerful couldn't He stop all 36:00 pain from happening. If God is all loving why wouldn't He stop 36:04 all the pain, suffering, and evil Scripture makes its claims clear 36:09 God is indeed the all-powerful Creator. Scripture also said 36:13 explicitly that God is love. Can these two claims both be true 36:18 given the state of the world in which we live? How can we know 36:23 for sure that... ♪ ♪ 36:37 Wow man that's cool! I love that So that right there I mean I 36:42 love that subject because that's really one of the heart issues 36:45 in any evangelistic campaign. If you're not addressing 36:48 there and addressing that issue. You don't really have a 36:52 foundation to build on because at the end of the day people 36:55 want to know how can I trust a God that allows all of these bad 36:59 things to happen. Or maybe they've been through some 37:01 personal things themselves, some trials and tribulations in their 37:05 life. Maybe they've lost a loved one. Maybe they have some kind 37:07 of life-threatening disease or whatever. Maybe they have a 37:10 friend or someone who's going through something and people ask 37:14 those questions. You know why if God is so loving then why does 37:16 He allows these things to go on? And I love that you guys have 37:19 series' that answers that question but prepares people's 37:24 hearts to be able to understand from a biblical perspective who 37:27 God really is. And so that's powerful. Praise the Lord for 37:30 that. Praise the Lord for that. And I love how you guys also do 37:32 revival, you said you had a four day revival seminar. Let's talk 37:38 about that for just a moment because we're talking about 37:41 Go There4. A lot of times our minds are we got to go out, we 37:45 got to find these people that don't know what we know and we 37:47 got to share with them all of these amazing truths. But of 37:51 course I find that often times churches want to do that 37:55 evangelism, their hearts in the right place in the sense that 37:59 they know that they want to take that commission seriously. They 38:02 want to hold that evangelistic campaign. They want to move 38:06 forward in reaching new souls with the gospel of Jesus and to 38:10 hear these incredible life changing truths that they know 38:13 themselves. But oftentimes we find some churches aren't ready 38:16 for that evangelism or those newcomers to come into the 38:20 church because they themselves need to be reintroduced to Jesus 38:23 So talk about that. When you're going into a church that has 38:28 reached out to you and says hey we need you to come and teach us 38:32 how to disciple others. We need you to come help us prepare for 38:35 this reaping event or this campaign or this evangelistic 38:38 series, and you see that need of revival talk to us about the 38:42 importance of that and how you go about capturing that vision 38:47 in the minds of the church members because sometimes that's 38:49 a hard pill to swallow when they have to come to grips with 38:54 understanding that you know what before you move on to do 38:57 outreach you need to do a little bit of in-reach first. Talk about 39:00 the importance of that and the significance of that. 39:02 Sure you know I mean I think I can speak on behalf of both of 39:07 us. The passion that we have is really just diving deep into the 39:12 character of God. And as you said before once you fall in 39:16 love with Jesus you just have this burning desire in your 39:18 heart that makes you want to go. And so we recognize that when we 39:22 go to these churches if that burning desire is not in their 39:25 heart well then they're not going to want to Go There4. And 39:28 so we have this four-day revival series that we start off pretty 39:32 much every partnership with even before we even talk about 39:37 evangelism, we show up. We do this revival called The Good 39:39 Shepherd and I guess we'll walk through it a little bit. The way 39:42 we look at The Good Shepherd revival is it almost takes you 39:45 through the Christian journey in four days. It starts off with 39:49 The Good Shepherd. My buddy Kani here he presents it, and that 39:54 message...why don't I...you tell them about the Good Shepherd. 39:56 Tell us about that Good Shepherd Tell us about that Good Shepherd 39:59 So what's awesome is whenever we go to the Bible and we go to 40:03 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 which says: He who does not love does 40:06 not know God for God is love. This is awesome, this is 40:09 incredible but we have to define that love. Because when we go 40:13 through the biblical definition of love: Love is not feeling or 40:16 an emotion or a man I just feel so good. It's not that. Love is 40:19 a principle and that principle says you are more important to 40:23 me than I am to myself. And when we go to the Bible version where 40:27 Jesus says I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd 40:29 does what? He gives his life for his sheep. Why does he give his 40:32 life for the sheep? Because He loves His sheep. And so that's 40:36 what the first message is about. What is the Creator of the 40:39 universe doing on an instrument of torture. Well He's just being 40:43 Himself. He's displaying who and what God is and three words best 40:46 describe who God is: God is love That's what the first message is 40:50 about. 40:52 I love that. Just before we go on the second, third and 40:53 message I got to just nail this down folks. This is so important 40:57 Many people in their Bible study efforts in trying to revive or 41:02 share the "truth" with someone they'll go to the Good Shepherd 41:06 but their message surrounding the good shepherd is they'll go 41:10 immediately to the rules, in other words, the 10 commandments 41:13 and the law. My friend again you have heard if you know my 41:16 ministry you know what we are here about at 3ABN. We know that 41:19 there is a special, special place for the message of the law 41:22 and the commandments. We believe in the commandments, we believe 41:24 in upholding the commandments but at the end of the day when 41:27 you're trying to revive someone if someone needs revival, you 41:31 need to introduce them to the good shepherd, you need to 41:34 answer that question, What is love. You need to define that 41:37 love and I love how you said it really is defined not by 41:41 emotions, not by feelings, not by necessarily what you have 41:44 done but what He has done and what He has done is given 41:50 Himself for His people. In other words, it puts the message on 41:52 the cross. My mind immediately went to Philippians chapter 2 41:56 which says here...I love these opening verses. Many people when 41:59 think of Philippians 2 think right to verse 5 which says, Let 42:02 this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, but they 42:05 don't read the verses before which really really sums this up 42:07 It says: Therefore if any is consolation in Christ, if any 42:12 comfort of love, any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection 42:15 and mercy fulfill my joy by being likeminded having the same 42:21 love, being of one accord and of one mind. Now what does that 42:23 look like? What does that love mind look like? Here it is. 42:24 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit. 42:30 But in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than 42:36 himself. And then verse 4: Let each of you look out not only 42:40 for his own interests but also for the interest of others. 42:42 It's that you know what I do love myself but I love you more 42:46 than I love myself. In other words I'm going to put myself... 42:48 I prefer you over myself. That's exactly what Jesus does and it's 42:53 exactly what the good shepherd does. I love that. So then once 42:55 you've established that point, you move on to the second message 42:58 and what is that? 43:00 Um, it is entitled Feed My Sheep. So the first message is kind of 43:04 like the first step of the Christian journey. You fall in 43:06 love with Jesus. You guys captured exactly what the 43:08 message was about. And because we see the love that Jesus has 43:13 for us we in turn fall in love with Him and that's what starts 43:16 this Christian journey. But as we go along the Christian 43:18 journey then we have this call to Go There4 and to feed my 43:21 sheep. And so that's pretty much what the second message is about 43:24 We talk about God's calling on our lives and how He calls each 43:28 and every person to be a co-laborer with Him for the 43:31 salvation of others. We're not just talking pastors, we're not 43:33 talking about the people that have the "credentials." Every 43:38 single person that has a relationship with Jesus has a 43:39 calling to feed His sheep and so we dig into how we prepare to 43:45 feed His sheep and we talk about the importance of...well we talk 43:50 about the importance of gathering bread which is reading 43:52 the Bible so that we can impart it to others. So that's 43:56 what the second message is about 43:58 Before you can go teach others how to be sanctified you 44:00 yourselves had to be sanctified. And so you have to make sure 44:02 that you are eating of the bread I think of the sanctuary, right? 44:06 You have to have that courtyard experience but then once you've 44:10 accepted Christ and are baptized now it's important that you 44:12 continue to eat of that bread daily. Continue to you know open 44:16 those lines of communication for prayer you know. The altar of 44:20 incense and then of course letting your light shine for 44:22 Jesus. So what does the third message teach us about? 44:25 The third message is entitled The Lost Sheep. We're trying to 44:28 keep the sheep theme. So what is likely to happen when you 44:33 know when a newborn first starts to walk? Like they might fall 44:37 and stumble and that's in essence what this message is 44:40 about. Because you know when you're a new Bible-believing 44:43 Christian you know, you're gathering bread, you're feeding 44:47 His sheep. But what's likely to happen when you're a new 44:51 believer. You're going to fall, you're going to stumble, you're 44:53 going to have failures and the Bible says... 44:54 You mean you're not perfect from the very beginning? 44:57 Yeah, yeah, yeah in the Bible you know Bible says in the book 45:02 of Proverbs for a righteous man falls seven times and rises 45:06 again but the wicked shall fall by calamity. And notice that the 45:08 difference between the righteous and the wicked isn't that one 45:11 falls and the other doesn't. No the Bible says the righteous man 45:14 falls seven times but the difference is that he keeps 45:16 rising again... 45:18 He gets back up. (Exactly) He's pressing forward. (Exactly) I 45:20 love that. 45:21 Because he trusts his hand to the hand of Jesus. That's what 45:24 it's all about. And so that's what that message is about 45:25 because we all like sheep have gone astray, but praise God the 45:28 second, we go astray God is in His rapid pursuit of us and 45:32 that's what this message is about. I mean what is God's 45:35 posture towards us whenever we fail, whenever we fall, whenever 45:38 we stumble. Does His posture towards us change? No, He's still 45:42 a God of love. He's still seeking out our best interest. 45:44 And that's what that third message is about. 45:46 That's it, man. Right when you were just saying that the 45:49 passage that came to my mind was Jeremiah chapter 29 and verse 11 45:54 and onward. I love this because again you're talking about what 45:57 is God's thoughts towards us. What is His belief? Often times 45:59 we have this idea that if we fall or we stumble then God is 46:03 is up there kind of like you know this angry, oh look at him, 46:07 look at her down there. Oh, man! But God loves us so much and it 46:11 reminds me of this verse here He says: For I know the thoughts 46:14 that I think toward you says the Lord...This is Jeremiah 29 46:17 verses 11 and onward. He says For I know the thoughts that I 46:20 think toward you says the Lord. Thoughts of peace and not of 46:22 evil...I love that...to give you a future and a hope. Then you 46:25 will call upon me and go and pray to me and I will listen to 46:28 you and you will seek me and find me when you search for me 46:31 with all your heart. And then verse 14 very beginning it says: 46:34 And I will be found by you says the Lord. I love that, I love 46:38 that. So God's not trying...it's not like He's up there with a 46:42 magnifying glass trying to wait for the next moment that we fall 46:45 so He can ahh look at this! You know this failure. God is...He's 46:51 in it to win it. He wants us to win. He wants us to be 46:54 successful. So we learn that aspect in message three and then 46:57 how do we finish up with message four? 46:59 Yeah, the last part is As the Shepherd. When Jesus came to 47:03 this earth as a baby the first time who was ready to receive 47:06 Him? The shepherds were. And so we talk about how the shepherds 47:10 were the first time prepared to receive Him, how we can be ready 47:14 for His second coming. So that's pretty much how we bring the 47:17 revival to a close we go through kind of like what the Christian 47:21 journey is like and we talk about this good shepherd and His 47:25 love for us and one of the things that he says in the 47:27 lost sheep message that love and always sticks with me is the 47:33 value of something is determined by the one who is willing to pay 47:36 the price. And so that's really what this revival is about 47:41 trying to realize that you have value and you have value because 47:44 of what Jesus did for you. Just trying to reignite that love for 47:49 Jesus. By God's grace hopefully to get them to fall so 47:53 passionately in love with Jesus that they can't help but want 47:55 to share with others. 47:57 Amen. When you learn when you finally and it clicks in your 48:00 mind and you comprehend who you are to God, that you're not just 48:03 some speck in a world of eight billion people, that you're not 48:08 just some little miniature atom or little speck in this giant 48:12 cosmos of a universe that we live in but yet you are on God's 48:17 mind even before you were born. When you capture that and 48:19 understand that it changes everything because now there's 48:22 value, so much value that the God of the universe was willing 48:26 to go give His own life and that was an eternal death, my friends. 48:30 A death that Jesus you know at one point thought he was never 48:33 coming back from. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 48:37 You know Jesus when He took our sin upon Himself it spiritually 48:41 discombobulated Him so much to the point that He could not... 48:44 He was experiencing the full wrath of God and He could not 48:47 perceive the presence of the Father. So that was the price he 48:51 was willing to pay, an eternal death, in order to save you. And 48:56 when you grasp that and that clicks with you then you will 48:57 not only have a love and a passion for that God but you 49:01 will also want to go do something about His kingdom, do 49:04 something about the commission and the call that he's given you. 49:06 We have some pictures that you guys have given, so let's look 49:09 at these pictures and walk us through some of these pictures. 49:12 Pop up the first one here. Tell us who is this. 49:16 Um this was the...we were at a church down in Florida and 49:21 this was after the series that we did. I believe it was the 49:26 Good Shepherd, we just talked about it and that was all the 49:28 team that was there for the photo. 49:29 Praise the Lord, praise the Lord All right then this one here? 49:34 That was at our little two-year anniversary celebration. We 49:40 had a Friday night series that brought them in. We got 49:43 together on a Friday night, worshipped with our local church 49:45 and we took a team picture. Those are all the people that 49:49 work with us and volunteers. 49:50 There you are preaching like a boss Tanner, nice. 49:54 Preached a fireman. 49:55 You look like you're into it there. If you're not preaching 49:57 with passion, you're not preaching, right? 49:59 That's right. 50:00 This is your media ministry capture here? You guys are 50:03 recording. Nice, Praise the Lord Is that for the YouTube channel? 50:06 Yes, we do. We did Go There4 Ministries. 50:11 Kani preaching, all right! Praise the Lord. 50:12 All right so how can people get in touch with your ministry. 50:15 They want reach out. They want to support. They want to have 50:17 you come to their church or to provide some type of training 50:20 How can they get in contact with you guys? 50:22 I would say the best way to get in contact with us would be via 50:25 my email, my work email. That would be Tanner@GoThere4.org 50:30 and I don't think it will be on the screen but you can also do 50:32 Kani@GoThere4.org. That's an easy way to get hold of either 50:35 one of us and we can work out something. 50:39 You'll see that on the screen. Tanner@GoThere4.org. That's the 50:44 number 4. org. Make sure you get that number 4 in there. You guys 50:48 have a website also? 50:50 Yes. that is www.GoThere4.org We do have a contact phone on 50:55 there but there you can see all of our media ministry, our 50:59 resources and see some of the team members we have. 51:03 Amen, praise the Lord. This has been a blessing, a tremendous 51:06 blessing to have you on the program today. We're not 51:09 actually finished just yet. We're going to go to an address 51:12 roll in just a moment because you may want to reach out to 51:15 these guys. You may want to invite them. You know what, 51:17 it's great to have young people come and present the gospel. 51:19 Again we have this idea that young people they need 51:22 more experience 51:23 and while that's true for all of us you know what, young people 51:26 can reach people that you can't. And so in this case, I encourage 51:29 you to bring out GoThere4 ministry to let them bless you 51:32 in your church and your community. Maybe it's a revival 51:35 you need, maybe it's an evangelistic campaign you need, 51:38 or maybe you just need them to come and help you prepare for 51:40 that evangelistic campaign. GoThere4 Ministries is the place 51:44 to contact someone. This is how you can get in contact with them 51:47 If you would like to contact or know more about Go There4 51:51 Ministries you can do so in the following ways. You can write 51:55 to them at 8405 US-301 Ste 102 Parrish, FL 34219 You can call 52:04 them at 1-(844) 684-3734. You can also send them an email at 52:16 Tanner@GoThere4.org or GoThere4Ministries@gmail.com 52:25 ♪ ♪ |
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